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Juuzo vs Kikoru

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Re Juuzo 8-A scaling, Kikoru can go up to 58 & 59%
Ap diff: negligible (highest is 1.7x)
LS diff: Juuzo

Juuzo: NikHelton, DarthSorox, LegendariumOfLies, Arsuzz, DarthSorox, Nonynho
Kikoru: Fallen_Angelicx, GodzillavsRayquaza, Jackof_noTrades068, Arkenis
 
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Similar to Hoshina, she can't maintain her suit for more than 10 minutes?
 
No that was because Soshiro was at his highest percent. She won't be doing that here.
 
While Juuzo's implied as the next Arima, I think Kikoru actually becomes the next "head" of the defense force or at least scales to several people touted highly within it like Soshiro or Gen, as she's considered the most talented. She also knows way more martial arts than Juuzo if that matters for a fight.

I do wanna note genius isn't a level for combat anymore so Juuzo being genius on page is an error and the guy doesn't show any genius level intellect throughout tg or re academically. She's easily smarter here.
 
Kikoru has a lot to go off ngl. Able to clear the small AP difference and being faster. Alot more than Juuzo has to offer. I'm likely leaning to her for now. Put me down for her
 
I’d also give this to Kikoru. Her shield’s gonna be a major boon given how it can protect against things way higher than her typical durability and AP, Juuzou’s more specific abilities aren’t going to matter due to being focused on dealing with Ghouls while Kikoru’s a more generalized, and just overall Kikoru has a lot more options than Juuzou does (even if it is going to mostly be them whacking each other, but I don’t see the tiny AP advantage being enough to let Juuzou win).

Lifting strength is a problem, but Kikoru is trained to fight far stronger creatures than herself so it’s not like it’s something she has no clue how to deal with, plus she has grenades even if she doesn’t typically use them.
 
Kikoru is very talented, but Suzuya has much more battle experience, especially against guys who can kill him in one hit. His endurance allows him to actively fight and dance around the enemy even when their guts are spilling. Knife spam, skills, LS, and pain tolerance will be a great help.

Voting for uzuya.
 
Kikoru is very talented, but Suzuya has much more battle experience, especially against guys who can kill him in one hit. His endurance allows him to actively fight and dance around the enemy even when their guts are spilling. Knife spam, skills, LS, and pain tolerance will be a great help.

Voting for uzuya.
Experience won't mean much when your opponents intelligence far outscales those with more experience like Soshiro or Gen Narumi. How's he more skilled than Kikoru's achievements and own feats in combat? Knives just get deflected by her shields.

What endurance does he have exactly? He's got decent pain tolerance but I don't see how it'll matter if he gets hit too much.
 
Kikoru's AP is a significant advantage, but Suzuya has too much experience fighting creatures that can finish him off with one hit, and he showed quite well against Yoshimura, unleashing a tornado of blows on him. From what I've seen of both characters' fights, Suzuya appears to be the more intense, aggressive, and precise fighter. Thanks to LS, he'll be able to disarm Kikoru and then launch a surprise attack with knives, giving her acupuncture.
I see him winning this round 7 out of 10 times.
 
Anyways from what I'm seeing I think an important question is how well kikoru can handle juuzou in close range since if she lacks a way to consistently deal with him in close range I dont think the shield would matter all that much.

What are her skill feats/scaling looking like? (I'd read the profile but I'd like a tl;dr)
 
What are her skill feats/scaling looking like? (I'd read the profile but I'd like a tl;dr)
You'd do better reading ngl, but she's a prodigy, I think best of her class out of the whole country, shows development higher than Juuzo's.

So far there hasn't been much debate though, I'll get a supporter see if they can give another opinion.
 
Kikoru FRA.
Juuzo’s got better LS but Kikoru would do just fine fighting him off at a range with firearms. If Kikoru decided to back up while firing (or use one of her many grenades to stun him before dashing) Juuzo’s only real option is to close the distance. And her skill + intelligence is a decent amount more impressive than Juuzo’s looking at both profiles and they both have backgrounds in fighting stronger monsters anyway.
Her Analytical prediction + Info analysis will prob see through Juuzo despite his resistance (being able to help slower characters overcome blitz gaps with her advice).
So I see Kikoru winning 6/10 times.
Juuzo can ideally win if he can keep the fight close and ends it fast but I see Kikoru avoiding this.
 
Kikoru FRA.
Juuzo’s got better LS but Kikoru would do just fine fighting him off at a range with firearms. If Kikoru decided to back up while firing (or use one of her many grenades to stun him before dashing) Juuzo’s only real option is to close the distance. And her skill + intelligence is a decent amount more impressive than Juuzo’s looking at both profiles and they both have backgrounds in fighting stronger monsters anyway.
Her Analytical prediction + Info analysis will prob see through Juuzo despite his resistance (being able to help slower characters overcome blitz gaps with her advice).
So I see Kikoru winning 6/10 times.
Juuzo can ideally win if he can keep the fight close and ends it fast but I see Kikoru avoiding this.
I haven't read the ending of Kaiju 8, of course, but I don't understand what superior skills are being discussed.

If the comments above use terms like "the best in the country," then Juzo is a protégé of Arima, who is the strongest investigator in the CCG, an organization that operates worldwide.

Not only does Juzo possess instinctive reactions on par with Urie, but his skills and drive from the first game were enough to overwhelm Yoshimura, the top assassin in the secret global organization and a greater threat than the guy who defeated 100 investigators in combat, 30 of whom were on Hirako's level or so. While Suzuya was inferior to Owl in AP and LS, and had significantly less experience, he still proved a major pain in the ass. Already in Re, he blocks surprise attacks from behind without looking and fends off four additional limbs at once with one hand, continuing to advance on the enemy without resorting to defensive tactics. He perfectly reads kagune, which resists prediction, and is completely unpredictable for those who predict kagune movements. He is capable of repelling ghouls' danmaku ukaku while simultaneously advancing and running in crappy slippers and stabbing the enemy with knives. His precision is sufficient to wield eight knives simultaneously and deflect entire volleys of danmaku with their throws. He successfully handles blitz attacks from more experienced opponents, predicting their moves in advance and surpassing Part 1 Kaneki, who can read his opponent three steps ahead and adapt to their style. Even less-than-stellar investigators, under Juzo's guidance and training, are capable of humiliating an SS-rank ghoul while laughing it off.

I don't see anything in Kikoru that could catch Suzuya off guard, while he's capable of doing just that. Furthermore, his reaction speed and kagune attacks are 2.5 times faster than Kikoru's, which, combined with his LS advantage, gives him the upper hand.
 
Not only does Juzo possess instinctive reactions on par with Urie, but his skills and drive from the first game were enough to overwhelm Yoshimura, the top assassin in the secret global organization and a greater threat than the guy who defeated 100 investigators in combat, 30 of whom were on Hirako's level or so. While Suzuya was inferior to Owl in AP and LS, and had significantly less experience, he still proved a major pain in the ass. Already in Re, he blocks surprise attacks from behind without looking and fends off four additional limbs at once with one hand, continuing to advance on the enemy without resorting to defensive tactics. He perfectly reads kagune, which resists prediction, and is completely unpredictable for those who predict kagune movements. He is capable of repelling ghouls' danmaku ukaku while simultaneously advancing and running in crappy slippers and stabbing the enemy with knives. His precision is sufficient to wield eight knives simultaneously and deflect entire volleys of danmaku with their throws. He successfully handles blitz attacks from more experienced opponents, predicting their moves in advance and surpassing Part 1 Kaneki, who can read his opponent three steps ahead and adapt to their style. Even less-than-stellar investigators, under Juzo's guidance and training, are capable of humiliating an SS-rank ghoul while laughing it off.
Most of this is standard skill slop, a over b and b over c sorta arguments. Yoshimura isn't much of a fighter either, he's just overwhelming but granted skillful through experience. Kikoru resists literal analytical prediction, not the type Kagune's have, which is only useful against those who can read electrical impulses. It's about as useful as saying someone controls their body and thus resists prediction.

Also I see both of you forget Kikoru's the stronger one here overall, it'll be harder for him to compete once she enter 58%, same way it often is when someone's stronger than Juuzo. I still am wondering how Juuzo will handle the range, he's not fighting basic projectiles here.

I'll update votes here
 
Fighting an opponent several times stronger than him is nothing new for an investigator.

In any case, I've laid out my arguments, and my voice remains the same.
 
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