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Kai Quick Additions (And lil bit more)

Lloydblitzed

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Just a few additions to Kai, as well as other minor fix

The limited part should just be remove, because there's no reason for the Ninjas explicitly warping and closing spatial tears in reality to be a "limited" ability
Limited Spatial Manipulation (Elemental Powers can close MergeQuakes, which are cracks in reality.)
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Kai can enhance a mech's power with his element, so he should get Statistics Amplification for that

Kai, along with the other 3 Ninjas, can amp himself with USM Lloyd's powers (further stated here) when they were accessible to them in the Digiverse, so he should get a new key scaling to USM Lloyd's stats (Range, and "At least 4-C"). He should also gain Incorporeality due to being uploaded in a digital form when obtaining it

Any Infinite Speed feats in Ninjago (who are all based on Realm crossing), such as the one below, should now be Immeasurable in Speed, due to the Realms now being Hypertimelines (already accepted btw)
Infinite Attack Speed via stabilization blast (Using the Dragon Cores, he was able to generate an omnidirectional blast that stabilized the entire Multiverse that contains 16 universes parallel to Ninjago, which are infinite in size)
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Immeasurable (Movement unbound from the flow of linear time, which cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)
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Edit: Check this comment for further developpment on the matter


Agree: @Nierre @Vietthai96 (Thinks Statistic Amplification should be Power Bestowal. Agrees on likely Immeasurable. Agree to the rest) @Godernet (Agrees on possibly Immeasurable. Agree to the rest)
Disagree:
Neutral:
 
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I think it's limited because they don't outright manipulate space normally, just undo the space warping. Also, isn't Empowerment more like Statistics Amplification? Name of the spoiler confuses me. Can't really agree with Digital Ninjas being USM level, because his power was already getting absorbed by Overlord so we don't know how much weakened Lloyd was at the moment. Also I don't see how Lloyd could have transferred his power to four people (which'd mean he granted 4x power he has without losing it). Immeasurable speed change makes sense.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Can't really agree with Digital Ninjas being USM level, because his power was already getting absorbed by Overlord so we don't know how much weakened Lloyd was at the moment.
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We can still downscale them below him, but they should just be like at most Low 1-C and have his abilities
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Also I don't see how Lloyd could have transferred his power to four people (which'd mean he granted 4x power he has without losing it).
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He split it with them
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Yeah but, they started with near a part of his FP
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The logic is, we don't know how much weakened Lloyd was when they turned golden (probably lots of power was taken since it was near the end). If we give them at most Low 1-C purely based off the idea that they have a part of Golden Power, then current Ninjas would too following that logic, as they have part of what had remained from Lloyd's Golden Power.
Lloydblitzed said:
No, it was to directly manipulate his powers which Overlord was actively transfering to the same Realm they were in to get a new body
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I don't think the Golden Power was transfering to Digiverse per se but to Overlord directly, since he used that power to free himself from Digiverse.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
The logic is, we don't know how much weakened Lloyd was when they turned golden (probably lots of power was taken since it was near the end). If we give them at most Low 1-C purely based off the idea that they have a part of Golden Power, then current Ninjas would too following that logic, as they have part of what had remained from Lloyd's Golden Power.
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The amount that the Ninjas had was greater the portion of the 10% that was left at the very end, they had at least 13% of his powers
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I don't think the Golden Power was transfering to Digiverse per se but to Overlord directly, since he used that power to free himself from Digiverse.
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That makes no sense as he wanted to escape his digital prison, and how did the Ninja turn gold like USM? They wished it? And tbh it wouldn't be contradicting the statement
 
Lloydblitzed said:
The amount that the Ninjas had was greater the portion of the 10% that was left at the very end, they had at least 13% of his powers
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Overlord got 87%-90% of GP, and Ninjas have even less than that since it's split, so I don't see how it is "at least". Also, if Lloyd literally gave them his powers, what was Overlord absorbing then?

Also 87%-90% is way too much to downscale Ninjas tbh.
Lloydblitzed said:
That makes no sense as he wanted to escape his digital prison
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That is... my point though?
Lloydblitzed said:
how did the Ninja turn gold like USM? They wished it? And tbh it wouldn't be contradicting the statement
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The whole scene is a bit weird and vague tbh. We don't really get a clear answer on what and how happened.
 
I think the Digi Ninjas should make them "at least 4-C", but still have Golden Power because it was flowing in the Digiverse

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Kai: We're trying to help you! (They stop attacking. Golden Power surrounds them.)

Jay: Uh.

Nya: Where's all the power coming from?

Cyrus: Golden Power. It's already begun. The Overlord has started the transference.

(Lloyd groans as his Golden Power is being extracted.)

Overlord: Soon you will be utterly powerless. And I will escape this digital prison and become whole, and nothing will stop me from becoming the Golden Master!
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Agree to the rest
 
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I think it's limited because they don't outright manipulate space normally, just undo the space warping.
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Didn't Kai slice throught space in Monstrosity? Also, a lot of character has obtained Space-Time Manipulation by merely closing rifts in reality, so it shouldn't be limited

Space-Time Manipulation (Closing Realm Tears is an act that can be accomplished by sheer strength from the wielder, meaning that this can be accomplished by anyone equal to or stronger than Norse Era Kratos, Sigrun and those comparable to them like Ares)
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Spatial hax stuff is fine

Empowerment should be Power Bestowal, Empowerment is a power where you get empowered instead. Kai enhanced others so it is Power Bestowal

Digi Kai stuff is fine

I don't see Infinite or Immeasurable speed. The video only show a blast that only cover like some building at best. You need to prove the blast travel across the entire infinite universe for infinite speed, or travel through time for immeasurable speed
 
Vietthai96 said:
I don't see Infinite or Immeasurable speed. The video only show a blast that only cover like some building at best. You need to prove the blast travel across the entire infinite universe for infinite speed, or travel through time for immeasurable speed
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Lloyd had to fix a multiversal storm that was affecting all of reality (This same reality being the Hypertimeline) so he shot the blast across the entirety of it to stop it. Lloyd himself also confirms that the blast sealed the Mergequake Storm, and its stated he created a huge shockwave even bigger than the storm accross the realms
 
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Vietthai96 said:
I don't see Infinite or Immeasurable speed. The video only show a blast that only cover like some building at best. You need to prove the blast travel across the entire infinite universe for infinite speed, or travel through time for immeasurable speed
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To add to what I previously said, Zane confirms the Mergequake Storm has reached its tipping point and was actively destroying the world (Reality in this context via previous statement above), and Lloyd confirms his shockwave attack stopped the whole thing
Zane: I don't mean to interrupt, but the Empress has caused us to reach the tipping point. The world-destroying MergeQuake storm has already begun.
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Source Dragon of Energy: Your intention is noble, but freeing me could destabilize the very cosmos.

Lloyd: That was before I had these. They were made from Source Dragon energy. They stabilized the MergeQuakes, so I think they could stabilize the aftereffects of your release too.
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The storm is irrelevant, the omnidirection blast is, you need to show me that the blast actually travel and cover the entire universe to get infinite speed, or cover the entire timeline (across past, present and future) for immeasurable speed
 
Vietthai96 said:
The storm is irrelevant, the omnidirection blast is, you need to show me that the blast actually travel and cover the entire universe to get infinite speed, or cover the entire timeline (across past, present and future) for immeasurable speed
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The storm is relevant bc the shockwave stopping it proves the blast crossed the whole timeline?
 
Vietthai96 said:
The storm is irrelevant, the omnidirection blast is, you need to show me that the blast actually travel and cover the entire universe to get infinite speed, or cover the entire timeline (across past, present and future) for immeasurable speed
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Its established from the beginning of the OP that Reality = Hypertimeline. Its repetively stated or implied he shot a shockwave that spread across the whole Hypertimeline to stop a Low 1-C event, this event being the storm. The storm is very relevant to this argument
 
Lloydblitzed said:
The storm is relevant bc the shockwave stopping it proves the blast crossed the whole timeline?
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Interpretation?

AigerTheKing said:
Its established from the beginning of the OP that Reality = Hypertimeline. Its repetively stated or implied he shot a shockwave that spread across the whole Hypertimeline to stop a Low 1-C event, this event being the storm. The storm is very relevant to this argument
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The only thing I saw in OP is a shockwave that covered some building, of course you can assume that the blast gonna spread and cover the entire reality, but that ks assumption so at best you could get Possibly Infinite/Immeasurable speed from this
 
Vietthai96 said:
The only thing I saw in OP is a shockwave that covered some building,
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The rest of the feat happened offscreen because a whole blinding light flash came after the blast started spreading faster
Vietthai96 said:
of course you can assume that the blast gonna spread and cover the entire reality, but that ks assumption so at best you could get Possibly Infinite/Immeasurable speed from this
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The magazine statement from earlier says "an even bigger shock wave neutralise the aftershock", which was the size of the Low 1-C structure, so I don't think its an assumption. Morever, the same technique with the same weapons was used by FSM to prevent several Low 1-C Realms from slamming into each other and merging togheter, and a official episode description implies that the blast didn't limit itself just to the Crossroads, but the whole Realm
Extended: Beatrix uses her new weapon to open MergeQuakes across the Imperium. The Ninja, with the help of rebellious citizens, defeat the Empress - but they are too late! MergeQuakes reach a tipping point and put the epicenter of the Merge - Crossroads - in danger. Lloyd must tap into his connection to the Source Dragon, learning not just how to save Crossroads, but the entire united realms
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Godernet said:
possibly
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AigerTheKing said:
The magazine statement from earlier says "an even bigger shock wave neutralise the aftershock", which was the size of the Low 1-C structure, so I don't think its an assumption. Morever, the same technique with the same weapons was used by FSM to prevent several Low 1-C Realms from slamming into each other and merging togheter, and a official episode description implies that the blast didn't limit itself just to the Crossroads, but the whole Realm
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What do you think about this part, which Vietthai didn't really talk about. And wouldn't you need a seperate thread to downgrade infinite speed as a whole, since its already accepted here?
 
AigerTheKing said:
What do you think about this part, which Vietthai didn't really talk about. And wouldn't you need a seperate thread to downgrade infinite speed as a whole, since its already accepted here?
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I'm fine with likely Immeasurable speed. Through merging two Low 1-C structure isn't speed feat

From my experience, not really, you can downgrade it directly here due to the infinite speed is mentioned in OP thus a related topic, though i thought the speed wasn't accepted? Cause from how it is mentioned in the OP, it made me think Lloy trying to add it
 
Vietthai96 said:
From my experience, not really, you can downgrade it directly here due to the infinite speed is mentioned in OP thus a related topic, though i thought the speed wasn't accepted? Cause from how it is mentioned in the OP, it made me think Lloy trying to add it
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Oh yeah mb if it sounded confusing.
 
Anyway, since Infinite attack speed was accepted before, i will just agree with solid Infinite speed, possibly/likely Immeasurable speed for the blast. Though you need to specific on what attack have this speed, or else people gonna think every attacks from the character have the speed which i think is ridiculous
 
Vietthai96 said:
Anyway, since Infinite attack speed was accepted before, i will just agree with solid Infinite speed, possibly/likely Immeasurable speed for the blast. Though you need to specific on what attack have this speed, or else people gonna think every attacks from the character have the speed which i think is ridiculous
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Tbf it does say this

possibly Immeasurable Attack Speed via stabilization blast (Using the Dragon Cores, he was able to generate an omnidirectional blast that stabilized the entire Merged Realms, a fusion of 16 universes parallel to Ninjago, who are hypertimelines of infinite size)
 
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