Killer Peter Major Speed Upgrade

[BlackCat]

The calculation for Apostle Simon has officially been accepted, with the result being 19,266.571 m/s (High Hypersonic+).
Therefore, I will proceed to apply this upgrade.
The characters that I believe should also be upgraded are as follows:

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Apostle Tier​

Simon
At least High Hypersonic+ travel and combat speed (Who performed this feat: able to move faster than rainfall to the point where the raindrops appeared completely frozen in place), higher with Sword Techniques

Peter
At least High Hypersonic+ travel and combat speed (Faster than Simon, who performed this feat)

Hyeon-il Na
At least High Hypersonic+ combat speed (Comparable to Peter: able to fight evenly against him), far higher with Final Evolution

Yuika
At least High Hypersonic+ travel and combat speed (Comparable to Peter: her speed stat is noted to be equal to or possibly faster than Apostle Simon, and she can fight Peter on equal footing), higher with Ghost Feet

Kageo
At least High Hypersonic+ combat speed (Comparable to Peter: able to fight him evenly), higher with Claws

John
At least High Hypersonic+ combat speed (Comparable to Peter: able to fight evenly against him), higher with Pride

Lebbaeus
At least High Hypersonic+ travel, reaction, and combat speed (Faster than Simon, who performed this feat: in a fight with Apostle Simon, Thaddeus was able to easily keep up with him and react to and defend against Simon’s fragmented sword attacks, which were stated to be lightning-fast. (Chapter 65), Superior to Peter: Peter said Thaddeus is significantly faster than him and has an extraordinary reaction ability. Peter even stated that Thaddeus’ reaction speed is nearly “0 seconds,” and that if he hadn’t fought the previous Thaddeus before, he might have lost this battle. (Chapter 67))

Philip
At least High Hypersonic+ combat speed (Superior to the A-Rank Killers. He can catch and land blows on both Thaddeus and Peter.)

Dorothy
At least High Hypersonic+ combat speed with a gun (Comparable to Apostle John. She can fight on par with him.)

Judas
At least High Hypersonic+ combat speed (Comparable to Simon: able to fight and react to him to some extent, including countering his Spiral Sword Slash. Peter states that Judas is fast and accurate.)

Matthias (Profile coming soon)
Unknown, at least High Hypersonic+ combat and attack speed (Comparable to Peter: Peter stated, “It’s a technique as fast as magic. The speed at which he throws his homing explosives is so incredibly fast that even high-speed slow-motion cameras can’t keep up.” Matthias used this technique to corner Peter), higher with BCI

A-Rank Killers​

Sangdo Park
At least High Hypersonic+ combat speed (Comparable to Peter: Even though Peter wasn’t fighting seriously, Sangdo Park still demonstrated the ability to react and pressure him during certain moments. He was also acknowledged by Nathanael as an A-Rank Killer with ability and performance comparable to the Apostles. His speed stat is also very close to the other Apostles.)

D-Rank Killers​

Yuna Lee
At least High Hypersonic+ perception speed (Peter stated that Yuna has sharp eyesight that allows her to follow every movement in battle.)

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hope this revision will be accepted successfully

Agree: @Viott (Supporerst), @Hayder0772 , @Pxnd_013 (Supporerst), @Gryogt57 (I agree with all the characters except Yuna Lee.), @FinePoint (Thread Moderator), @ActuallySpaceMan42 (Thread Moderator)

Disagree:

 

[Viott]

I agree.

 

[Hayder0772]

I agree

 

[Pxnd_013]

OP seems fine to me

 

[Gryogt57]

don't think yuna should have high hypersonic+ perception. she had difficulty keeping up with a B rank. other should be ok

 

[Rynizenz]

I don’t think sangdo high hypersonic+ combat speed. Along with yuna as well since she had trouble seeing a b rank and I couldn’t see thaddeus attacks. The rest are fine

 

[Crimsonobu]

The calculation for Apostle Simon has officially been accepted, with the result being 19,266.571 m/s (High Hypersonic+).
Therefore, I will proceed to apply this upgrade.
The characters that I believe should also be upgraded are as follows:

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Apostle Tier​

A-Rank Killers​

D-Rank Killers​

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hope this revision will be accepted successfully

Agree: @Viott (Supporters), @Hayder0772

Disagree:

much like the jinrang rain feat. i think feats like this should be in high contention . i dont think accepting slow mo feats like these should be that common

oh and majority of characters shouldnt scale to him as he outright has stated one of if not the fastest speed

a tiers and D tiers shouldnt be eligeble for upgrades

 

[Rynizenz]

much like the jinrang rain feat. i think feats like this should be in high contention . i dont think accepting slow mo feats like these should be that common

No but this makes more sense due to the statement and the scene looking like time is stopped

 

[Crimsonobu]

No but this makes more sense due to the statement and the scene looking like time is stopped

didnt you yourself point out the timeframes wonky becouse yukia reacted? i know what statement you are talking about so i dont mind

the same calc member accepted your calc so i dont understand why you arent posting it yet on the page

 

[Rynizenz]

didnt you yourself point out the timeframes wonky becouse yukia reacted? i know what statement you are talking about so i dont mind

the same calc member accepted your calc so i dont understand why you arent posting it yet on the page

Because i need to update the calc. Since I have found problems after. Though Im gonna drop it since I have other calcs with less problems than that one

 

[Crimsonobu]

Because i need to update the calc. Since I have found problems after. Though Im gonna drop it since I have other calcs with less problems than that one

understandable. mind explaining what was the problem? also if you recall my eli and baekjin calc. are there any issues with that that make it unusable.?

 

[Rynizenz]

understandable. mind explaining what was the problem? also if you recall my eli and baekjin calc. are there any issues with that that make it unusable.?

I looked back on it and it’s probably correct that it wasn’t rain that was falling behind gitaes back.
I could use gitaes falling speed but the angle is not good. You eli and baekjin calc is fine the only problem is now that slow motion manwha calcs need more Panels then just one and 2. An example is my a calc for questism I did related ti daniel and choyun and you can tell that daniels jump height stayed in the same position for more than 2 panels. Anyways im stopping here since this is off topic to the thread(you can ask on my m wall)

 

[Crimsonobu]

I looked back on it and it’s probably correct that it wasn’t rain that was falling behind gitaes back.
I could use gitaes falling speed but the angle is not good. You eli and baekjin calc is fine the only problem is now that slow motion manwha calcs need more Panels then just one and 2. An example is my a calc for questism I did related ti daniel and choyun and you can tell that daniels jump height stayed in the same position for more than 2 panels. Anyways im stopping here since this is off topic to the thread(you can ask on my m wall)

Understood. message on your wall has been sent

 

[Gryogt57]

I don’t think sangdo high hypersonic+ combat speed. Along with yuna as well since she had trouble seeing a b rank and I couldn’t see thaddeus attacks. The rest are fine

sangdo is an apostle candidate so he should be relative to old simon and I agree on yukia

 

[Rynizenz]

sangdo is an apostle candidate so he should be relative to old simon and I agree on yukia

Being an apostle canidate still won’t make him relative to old simon. Old Simon can give decent fights to the current new apostles sangdo would get destroyed

 

[Gryogt57]

well his stats are

Being an apostle canidate still won’t make him relative to old simon. Old Simon can give decent fights to the current new apostles sangdo would get destroyed

his speed stats are similar to simon.

 

[BlackCat]

much like the jinrang rain feat. i think feats like this should be in high contention . i dont think accepting slow mo feats like these should be that common

oh and majority of characters shouldnt scale to him as he outright has stated one of if not the fastest speed

a tiers and D tiers shouldnt be eligeble for upgrades

didnt you yourself point out the timeframes wonky becouse yukia reacted? i know what statement you are talking about so i dont mind

the same calc member accepted your calc so i dont understand why you arent posting it yet on the page

Don't forget that what we used for the calculation was the speed of the raindrops, not the character himself. Simon has already demonstrated that he's actually faster than the rain to the point it appears completely frozen.

 

[BlackCat]

don't think yuna should have high hypersonic+ perception. she had difficulty keeping up with a B rank. other should be ok

As for Yuna, I'm thinking of removing her perception speed in the next thread (since I see this thread as an upgrade, I’ll move that point to the next discussion).

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This seems like a technique, though, not something Simon is doing 24/7 with every attack.

 

[Rynizenz]

Simon has like a martial art he created for swordmanship called spiral and it looks like when he uses that style he is able to do stuff like this due to the statement. Unless only that specific move of that style is that fast

This seems like a technique, though, not something Simon is doing 24/7 with every attack.

 

[Crimsonobu]

well his stats are

his speed stats are similar to simon.

multiple characters with similar "stats" dont scale similar to eachother

nathaniel has a higher speed stat than yukia and simon both.

nathaniel is not faster than yukia or simon.

good day

 

[BlackCat]

This seems like a technique, though, not something Simon is doing 24/7 with every attack.

The technique he used wasn't anything special he simply started getting serious because he sensed that his opponent was strong and posed a real threat to him.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The technique he used wasn't anything special he simply started getting serious because he sensed that his opponent was strong and posed a real threat to him.

Not really the point. Usually, when a character performs a specific feat by utilizing a particular technique, it is generally assumed that this feat is only achievable through the use of that technique or techniques equivalent to it. If the character were capable of replicating the same result at will with any attack, the existence of the specialized technique would be redundant.

 

[Gryogt57]

Not really the point. Usually, when a character performs a specific feat by utilizing a particular technique, it is generally assumed that this feat is only achievable through the use of that technique or techniques equivalent to it. If the character were capable of replicating the same result at will with any attack, the existence of the specialized technique would be redundant.

as far as I remember simon's special attack is falling lighting slashes. peter himself has used spiral slashes before and yukia was able to be comparable to it even tho she lost that. It was because peter had read her movements and attack patterns.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

as far as I remember simon's special attack is falling lighting slashes. peter himself has used spiral slashes before and yukia was able to be comparable to it even tho she lost that. It was because peter had read her movements and attack patterns.

Well, I think the scaling should be reevaluated. Since it's a Technique, it would be Attack Speed, though, since they can move while using it, so it would be Movement Speed as well. Anyone who uses it can scale to Simon's Attack Speed & Movement Speed with that technique, and anyone who dodges or reacts to a user of it can have their Perception Speed and Reaction Speed scaled as well.

 

[BlackCat]

Well, I think the scaling should be reevaluated. Since it's a Technique, it would be Attack Speed, though, since they can move while using it, so it would be Movement Speed as well. Anyone who uses it can scale to Simon's Attack Speed & Movement Speed with that technique, and anyone who dodges or reacts to a user of it can have their Perception Speed and Reaction Speed scaled as well.

The characters who can be scaled are the Apostles, as they can be scaled among themselves whether through stats or combat, they can be scaled accordingly. (Besides Simon, there's also Peter and Lebbaeus who can be scaled through both combat and travel speed. As for why Yuika can be scaled in terms of movement speed, it’s because her stats specifically highlight that movement speed is her strength, and she was also able to fight Peter to some extent.)
As for the Rank A Assassin, he is scaled purely through statistics.

Not really the point. Usually, when a character performs a specific feat by utilizing a particular technique, it is generally assumed that this feat is only achievable through the use of that technique or techniques equivalent to it. If the character were capable of replicating the same result at will with any attack, the existence of the specialized technique would be redundant.

In this case, I understand what you meant I was simply pointing out that this sword technique isn’t considered a special technique, which means it can be scaled through combat.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The characters who can be scaled are the Apostles, as they can be scaled among themselves whether through stats or combat, they can be scaled accordingly. (Besides Simon, there's also Peter and Lebbaeus who can be scaled through both combat and travel speed. As for why Yuika can be scaled in terms of movement speed, it’s because her stats specifically highlight that movement speed is her strength, and she was also able to fight Peter to some extent.)

If you can show scans of everyone who can use that technique, has reacted to or dodged it, or directly countered it with their raw stats with no technique of their own, then I can agree to the scaling.

 

[Rynizenz]

If you can show scans of everyone who can use that technique, has reacted to or dodged it, or directly countered it with their raw stats with no technique of their own, then I can agree to the scaling.

Not the op but this has scans of i think everyone?(not sure). My only problem is if their level of the style is one the same level as the creator simon.

First scan is simon
Second is judas doing it
Third and fourth has thaddeus reacting and blocking it.
5th is peter doing it and yukia reacting.
scans

 

[Lilybitdun]

Not the op but this has scans of i think everyone?(not sure). My only problem is if their level of the style is one the same level as the creator simon.

First scan is simon
Second is judas doing it
Third and fourth has thaddeus reacting and blocking it.
5th is peter doing it and yukia reacting.
Scans

The scans link doesn't work

 

[Rynizenz]

The scans link doesn't work

Had to change the site(even though the site is kinda buns) because imgur decides to stop working for me. So it working now?

 

[BlackCat]

If you can show scans of everyone who can use that technique, has reacted to or dodged it, or directly countered it with their raw stats with no technique of their own, then I can agree to the scaling.

• Character Stats (Chapter 54 - Korean version)
• Character Stats (Chapter 54 - English version)

Peter vs Simon
Peter vs Nathanael
Peter vs Yuika
Peter vs Kageo
Peter Vs John
Lebbaeus VS Simon
Lebbaeus Vs Peter
Philip Vs Peter , Lebbaeus
Judas Vs Simon
Dorothy VS John

 

[FinePoint]

Given so many characters comparably reacted to the technique, I'm going to assume it's not just a speed achievable through that technique.

Therefore, I think this is probably fine.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

• Character Stats (Chapter 54 - Korean version)
• Character Stats (Chapter 54 - English version)

Peter vs Simon
Peter vs Nathanael
Peter vs Yuika
Peter vs Kageo
Peter Vs John
Lebbaeus VS Simon
Lebbaeus Vs Peter
Philip Vs Peter , Lebbaeus
Judas Vs Simon
Dorothy VS John

Yeah, these are fine.

 

[BlackCat]

Given so many characters comparably reacted to the technique, I'm going to assume it's not just a speed achievable through that technique.

Therefore, I think this is probably fine.

Yeah, these are fine.

Thank you for the evaluation. You may go ahead and close this CRT