Lavos' Immortalities

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Base Lavos should get Type 4 immortality, since 99% of the reasons why he's so unkillable is because of his resurrect, so yeah.

Secondly, Type 9 for Time Devourer Lavos should be precised further, since Type 9 by itself doesn't tell us much, similarly to Type 8 by itself.

Big revisions, I know.

 

[FateAlbane]

Resurrection type 4 matter is covered in Acausality. It could be added for convenience's sake or it could be redundant. Not sure.

Type 9 is something I have no idea where it even came from so instead of explained it should more like be removed entirely as I see it.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Even then, it still has it so leaving it out would be innaccurate. Besides it's not like we don't do redundant things for clarity, so I'd say it's fine.

rip Type 9

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wasn't Type 9 Time Devourer only and it came from the Dragon God using only his shadows to manifest or something like that?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems legit

 

[FateAlbane]

@Cal If you mean the actual TD, it's more like it integrated the DG into its being and sends it out as an extension of itself, a quasi-existence to appear within the dimenshunns.

At this point, it's more like an extension of the being/limb/dupe/another alt/what you will than a projected lower form compared to another one in a higher plane/state of existence.

Of course, I've been away from VSB for a while now.

For me doesn't sound like this qualifies for Type 9 since again, type 4 and Acausality already cover that and even if it was it would be pretty crappy Type 9 still.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Think the basic requirement for Type 9 is your true self being on a different plane of existence than your avatar. So True Lavos being in another universe would work. Although it also depends, since temporarily projecting an avatar of yourself in another universe is only "immortality" for that temporary avatar, so adding it to the profile wouldn't really be relevant. It should only be there if the Lavos we'd sent to a fight is the "avatar".

Either way, Type 9 on that level on a 2-A like Lavos would truly be a total non-factor, lol.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, his true self is like Nigh Omnipresent across an infinite number of universes given all the avatars make up his true self; so Type 9 Immortality makes sense to me.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That'snothwhatI'msayingthough

Lavos' weird many timeline stuff is just Type 4 Immortality and Acausality. Type 9 implies there is one true self that just spawns avatars. Which is not the case here, since every Lavos is pretty much equal in term of truthiness.

Type 9 is something else entirely that Fate and Cal seems to know about. We're just discussing if that is Type 9.

 

[FateAlbane]

Think the basic requirement for Type 9 is your true self being on a different plane of existence than your avatar. So True Lavos being in another universe would work. Although it also depends, since temporarily projecting an avatar of yourself in another universe is only "immortality" for that temporary avatar, so adding it to the profile wouldn't really be relevant. It should only be there if the Lavos we'd sent to a fight is the "avatar".
Either way, Type 9 on that level on a 2-A like Lavos would truly be a total non-factor, lol.

Then it qualifies.

But yes, it's a non-factor that should not be brought up in threads as any relevant point. Though since it qualifies, I see no harm in keeping it listed just for indexing purposes.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Wouldn't Time Devourer be the true self that spawns the 5-A avatars though?

 

[FateAlbane]

Also here are them scans in case they're needed for the explanation.

 

[FateAlbane]

Wouldn't Time Devourer be the true self that spawns the 5-A avatars though?

In this case the avatars in point are its Dragon God forms as opposed to the 5-A Lavoses.