Lucifer's Plot Manipulation

[Hawktaro]

"Lucifer didn’t want to be my mouthpiece. More than any other character I’ve ever written, he insisted on going his own way.… My protagonist turned out to belong to that rare subspecies of characters who have their own lives off the page and move while you’re not looking."

- Afterword: The Devil’s Business / Lucifer: Evensong

One thing I've never seen anyone discuss is the fact that Lucifer is above the plot, as stated by the writer Mike Carey himself. Lucifer not only ignores his author, but also lives off the page, a detail/hint that you can notice in some of his comics, such as him being able to deceive The Presence. Could it count as a Plot resistance and/or how far it goes?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

This is not meant to be taken literally. In short, it just talks about how Carey’s vision of Lucifer ends, but the idea that Lucifer can be written as something beyond Carey’s interpretation was the message at the ending storyline, or Evensong since that's the last Carey would work on Lucifer, but the character itself will be under other writers to change what they want.

Also, he mentions that all of his “character” won't be his mouthpiece anymore which is likely referring to his works under publishing companies that are not creator-owned.

This has nothing to due with plot manipulation or being beyond the story/plot which is contradictory if taken in the most literal sense. The Presence and Lucifer are fictional characters and are to be treated as such, we index plot manipulation as being able to change the core fundamentals of telling a story, not in the sense of being beyond the bounds of story, but just changing the inverse narratives. So I don't see any form of plot manipulation here.

A simple example of plot manipulation is a story of a man walking to a store. The manipulation comes in the form of something like “he did not go to the story today” as the “plot” changed.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This is not meant to be taken literally. In short, it just talks about how Carey’s vision of Lucifer ends, but the idea that Lucifer can be written as something beyond Carey’s interpretation was the message at the ending storyline, or Evensong since that's the last Carey would work on Lucifer, but the character itself will be under other writers to change what they want.

Also, he mentions that all of his “character” won't be his mouthpiece anymore which is likely referring to his works under publishing companies that are not creator-owned.

This has nothing to due with plot manipulation or being beyond the story/plot which is contradictory if taken in the most literal sense. The Presence and Lucifer are fictional characters and are to be treated as such, we index plot manipulation as being able to change the core fundamentals of telling a story, not in the sense of being beyond the bounds of story, but just changing the inverse narratives. So I don't see any form of plot manipulation here.

A simple example of plot manipulation is a story of a man walking to a store. The manipulation comes in the form of something like “he did not go to the story today” as the “plot” changed.

Agree.