Luffy fights a mime

[Ryuga21]

Luffy vs Gray (Brawl Stars)

• Distance: 20 meters apart;
• Speed is Equal;
• Bloodlust;
• 8-A Versions (BoS Luffy);

Straw-Hat: 6

Black and White: 1

Inconclusive:

 

[Ryuga21]

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[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I think Gray has a very good advantage with mobility here. Not much stops him from blocking nearly everything Luffy does with dotted line barriers, given other Brawlers like Lola in the animation aren't able to get out of them on their own presumably. Also Gray's spatial manip scan has him tear a hole in space, so that could just dura neg Luffy. Voting Gray

 

[Ryuga21]

1-0

 

[That_moron2]

I think Gray has a very good advantage with mobility here.

What, Luffy can literally stretch

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Plus the space thing seems to have no range to it, with him needing to draw a line onto Luffy in order for it to work. Nothing really stops Luffy from just BFRing him away with the massive LS advantage since the teleport is only a few meters in range.

Additionally, Luffy just has a massive skill and enhanced senses advantage which makes pulling off those tricks very difficult

 

[That_moron2]

Luffy fra

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy FRA.

 

[Arceus0x]

Yeah Grey loses in range, LS, skill and basically most things. A single good gum gum bazooka should send him over to another country with ease

 

[Ryuga21]

4-1

 

[Arkansalter2]

Luffy basically wins in every aspect. The stat diff is crazy so I don't see how Gray would win this.
Luffy FRA.

 

[Ryuga21]

Gray scales to 233Tons while Luffy upscales to Sanji's 113Tons feat. Gray has AP advantage.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Gray scales to 233Tons while Luffy upscales to Sanji's 113Tons feat. Gray has AP advantage.

While that is an advantage, it's not a particularly good one since it doesn't help him against Luffy's LS BFR. His main win condition relies on hax which make his AP practically pointless, and Luffy's rubber body basically negs the difference making the AP difference actually pointless

 

[Ryuga21]

While that is an advantage, it's not a particularly good one since it doesn't help him against Luffy's LS BFR. His main win condition relies on hax which make his AP practically pointless, and Luffy's rubber body basically negs the difference making the AP difference actually pointless

Luffy's LS advantage doesn't have much value here since Gray can simply teleport out of his grabs. Luffy's BFR is particularly a Gomu Gomu no Bazooka charged to maximum range, something that an agile character would never fall for so easily, even in this key, Luffy only used it against a Buggy who couldn't dodge or defend himself.

Gray's projectiles are thin and focused on a single point, each of them would be 2x more powerful than any other blow Luffy has tanked in that key. Any spam of Gray's projectiles would be enough to bypass blunt force trauma resistance.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Luffy's LS advantage doesn't have much value here since Gray can simply teleport out of his grabs.

Firstly, he needs to draw a circle in order to teleport and the walk through it. That's not gonna happen in a grab.

Luffy's BFR is particularly a Gomu Gomu no Bazooka charged to maximum range, something that an agile character would never fall for so easily, even in this key, Luffy only used it against a Buggy who couldn't dodge or defend himself.

Secondly, that's just wrong, Luffy barley needs to stretch them that far in order to launch people to different islands. Additionally as Luffys own page says "he often prefers to do it at point-blank range, sometimes running up to his opponent as he's charging it.", agility ain't all that good when your opponent is outskilling you on a ungodly level and hits you point blank.

Gray's projectiles are thin and focused on a single point, each of them would be 2x more powerful than any other blow Luffy has tanked in that key. Any spam of Gray's projectiles would be enough to bypass blunt force trauma resistance.

Less than 2x more powerful, much more so actually since someone like Arlong can casually knock Sanji down. A 2x difference is nowhere near enough to bypass Luffy's resistance, as per Luffy's blunt force explanation page "Luffy can not get punched hard enough to be bruised. You need to either negate his elasticity, negate his resistance, or just punch him hard enough to stretch him beyond his limits.". Gray can do none of these feats, he'd need to rely on his rather limited hax

 

[Ryuga21]

Firstly, he needs to draw a circle in order to teleport and the walk through it. That's not gonna happen in a grab.

He teleports instantly with portals, both in his gameplay and in his animations. Btw Gray leads with TP and the first thing Luffy usually do is punching, not grabbing.

Secondly, that's just wrong, Luffy barley needs to stretch them that far in order to launch people to different islands. Additionally as Luffys own page says "he often prefers to do it at point-blank range, sometimes running up to his opponent as he's charging it.", agility ain't all that good when your opponent is

This scan doesn't show exactly how much he stretched, but consider that Buggy was a small and extremely light target, there was no need for him to stretch very much. Furthermore, Gray is a type of sniper brawler, his game is not about approaching and his hax allows him to gain distance or switch places with Luffy at any time.

Less than 2x more powerful, much more so actually since someone like Arlong can casually knock Sanji down.

It's actually 2.6x, I rounded it to 2x because Luffy is a bit stronger than the value he scales. Sanji was severely weakened after defeating Arlong's right hand man, even his internal organs were damaged. Luffy is not massively superior to Sanji or Zoro in East Blue.

A 2x difference is nowhere near enough to bypass Luffy's resistance, as per Luffy's blunt force explanation page "Luffy can not get punched hard enough to be bruised. You need to either negate his elasticity, negate his resistance, or just punch him hard enough to stretch him beyond his limits.". Gray can do none of these feats, he'd need to rely on his rather limited hax

Luffy has never tanked an energy attack in this key, especially having a 2x disadvantage in AP. Sharp and cutting blows surpass Luffy's elasticity and Gray's projectiles should do this because they are extremely thin.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

He teleports instantly with portals, both in his gameplay and in his animations.

I can literally see the circle being drawn in the first scene and in the second one he's jumping out of one. That doesn't disprove a word i said about him creating it.

Btw Gray leads with TP and the first thing Luffy usually do is punching, not grabbing.

You literally bloodlusted them, this is a non-factor.

This scan doesn't show exactly how much he stretched, but consider that Buggy was a small and extremely light target, there was no need for him to stretch very much. Furthermore, Gray is a type of sniper brawler, his game is not about approaching and his hax allows him to gain distance or switch places with Luffy at any time.

His range is a few meters and Luffy's stretch was barley anything relative to his own body. Gray has no means of capitalizing on his range since he needs to actually close the gap in order to fight.

It's actually 2.6x, I rounded it to 2x because Luffy is a bit stronger than the value he scales. Sanji was severely weakened after defeating Arlong's right hand man, even his internal organs were damaged. Luffy is not massively superior to Sanji or Zoro in East Blue.

Where the hell did you get 2.6 from? 233/133 is a 1.75 difference and that's Sanji's numbers. The statistic goes downward when talking about Luffy. Also a 1.5 boost is not a massive difference at all.

Luffy has never tanked an energy attack in this key, especially having a 2x disadvantage in AP. Sharp and cutting blows surpass Luffy's elasticity and Gray's projectiles should do this because they are extremely thin.

Gray doesn't have any energy attacks on his profile, he has noticably less than a 2x advantage, and you have yet to showcase these projectiles he has nor that they are cutting weapons.

 

[Kachon123]

This scan doesn't show exactly how much he stretched, but consider that Buggy was a small and extremely light target, there was no need for him to stretch very much. Furthermore, Gray is a type of sniper brawler, his game is not about approaching and his hax allows him to gain distance or switch places with Luffy at any time.

Brother, what are you talking about? Don Krieg fought the same way and Luffy quite literally tanked all of his attacks to pressure him in close combat. On top of that, Luffy's BFR is not limited to Gum Gum Bazooka. He has Gum Gum Windmill, where he simply grabs the opponent and tosses them far away. It was used on Momoo (for reference the next time we see him was on the way to Fishman Island).

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy was also able to instantly adapt to someone who could move thousands of times faster than he was and be able to consistently counter his movements. The moment Luffy sees and deduces the general mechanics of Gray's abilities, the chances of him ever landing it reduces to near-zero. Especially since Gray has no notable battle intelligence feats to be able to somehow trick Luffy.

 

[Ryuga21]

I can literally see the circle being drawn in the first scene

The circle is drawn instantly in the gameplay and in the animation the portal opens where Gray wants, we don't see him drawing anything in the animation.

You literally bloodlusted them

And? This doesn't change the fact that they both start with their opening moves and fightplay. BFR would be Luffy's sixth or seventh option.

His range is a few meters and Luffy's stretch was barley anything relative to his own body. Gray has no means of capitalizing on his range since he needs to actually close the gap in order to fight.

Dude can just points to Luffy and send a projectile beam from his finger in order to hit, luffy needs to stretch his whole arm and move it. Also gray can distort the space around Luffy's arms to trap then at a punch attempt. Luffy would be at a greater disadvantage at long range.

233/133

233/113 = 2.06... keep in mind Gray has 15% AP boost with his gear and can remove 50% of the damage taken with first star power.

Gray doesn't have any energy attacks on his profile, he has noticably less than a 2x advantage, and you have yet to showcase these projectiles he has nor that they are cutting weapons.

I could take a screenshot of the projectiles in the game, but I will describe them, they are the thinnest projectiles on screen in px, thinner than arrows and cactus spine shots thrown by other characters. For some reason whoever created the profile put their projectiles as text manipulation, but in the game they are just thin blue lines that look like a small wave of energy.

Brother, what are you talking about? Don Krieg fought the same way and Luffy quite literally tanked all of his attacks to pressure him in close combat. On top of that, Luffy's BFR is not limited to Gum Gum Bazooka. He has Gum Gum Windmill, where he simply grabs the opponent and tosses them far away. It was used on Momoo (for reference the next time we see him was on the way to Fishman Island).

Gray is 2x stronger than Krieg and has more mobility. A punch from Luffy will not be hurting gray as much as it did on Krieg, and he can reduce Luffy's damage value by up to 50%.
I'll refute BFR once again by mentioning what I said earlier: any attempt to grab Gray is useless since he has teleportation.

Luffy was also able to instantly adapt to someone who could move thousands of times faster than he was and be able to consistently counter his movements. The moment Luffy sees and deduces the general mechanics of Gray's abilities, the chances of him ever landing it reduces to near-zero.

Teleportation > Kuro's MHS speed. Furthermore, Gray doesn't fight at close range for Luffy to be able to react by replicating what was done to Kuro. Luffy would only be able to counter Gray's teleportation if he could predict where Gray would go, and in this key that is almost impossible.

Especially since Gray has no notable battle intelligence feats to be able to somehow trick Luffy.

Nothing too complex is necessary, just keeping the range, dodging and taking advantage of opportunities to paralyze Luffy with his RW would be enough. That's basically Gray's casual gameplay that even a begginer on Brawl Stars can do.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

The circle is drawn instantly in the gameplay and in the animation the portal opens where Gray wants, we don't see him drawing anything in the animation.

I can literally see the circle being drawn over time underneath him in the gameplay and in the animation we don't even see him creating it, only it opening up. In an example of where we actually see him he clearly draws the circle which causes another portal to pop up.

And? This doesn't change the fact that they both start with their opening moves and fightplay. BFR would be Luffy's sixth or seventh option.

Do you know what you are talking about?

Bloodlusted - A bloodlusted character will not be victim to Character-Induced Stupidity, and will be much more likely to speed blitz opponents (if doing so is within their powerset).

Bloodlusted means that a character will fight to the best of their abilities and go for their best move options, regardless of what they would normally do. Luffy's best move option in this key would be his BFR which is usually his strongest moves.

Dude can just points to Luffy and send a projectile beam from his finger in order to hit, luffy needs to stretch his whole arm and move it. Also gray can distort the space around Luffy's arms to trap then at a punch attempt. Luffy would be at a greater disadvantage at long range.

For starters, again Gray needs to get into range to do that, again you haven't shown an example of what his projectiles are like, and again Gray needs to actively do things in order to do space manip. Additionally Luffy could just start throwing stuff at him to make it even harder to keep up with him.

233/113 = 2.06... keep in mind Gray has 15% AP boost with his gear and can remove 50% of the damage taken with first star power.

Fair enough I misread the Sanji calc (I'm sick lol), but also keep in mind that Luffy has gotten several arcs stronger, can completely neg the AP difference, and has reactive evolution and accelerated development which is not only going to make him stronger in the fight but also actively faster than Gray.

I could take a screenshot of the projectiles in the game, but I will describe them, they are the thinnest projectiles on screen in px, thinner than arrows and cactus spine shots thrown by other characters. For some reason whoever created the profile put their projectiles as text manipulation, but in the game they are just thin blue lines that look like a small wave of energy.

That doesn't make them piercing attacks lol, Luffy would still be able to handle them. A small wave of energy isn't a piercing move.

Gray is 2x stronger than Krieg and has more mobility. A punch from Luffy will not be hurting gray as much as it did on Krieg, and he can reduce Luffy's damage value by up to 50%.

And Luffy still has the accelerated development to lower that difference, still has the LS advantage to make it pointless, and because Gray needs to get closer he's opening himself up more to Luffy's moves.

I'll refute BFR once again by mentioning what I said earlier: any attempt to grab Gray is useless since he has teleportation.

And I'll refute Teleportation once again by mentioning how a circle needs to be drawn and how he needs to actually go through it, two things he can't do when grappled and something he can't use to save himself from due to his teleportation range not being anywhere near good enough to save him mid-launch especially since he can't do it immediately.

Teleportation > Kuro's MHS speed. Furthermore, Gray doesn't fight at close range for Luffy to be able to react by replicating what was done to Kuro. Luffy would only be able to counter Gray's teleportation if he could predict where Gray would go, and in this key that is almost impossible.

Kuro's relativistic speed >>>>>>>> Gray's drawing speed. Additionally it's not impossible for Luffy to predict Gray since this man can just figure it out with pure instinct and luck, Gray isn't that smart of a fighter so it's not likely for him to be capable of thinking of tactics so unpredictable that Luffy wouldn't just figure out a pattern or just guess randomly and be right.

Nothing too complex is necessary, just keeping the range, dodging and taking advantage of opportunities to paralyze Luffy with his RW would be enough. That's basically Gray's casual gameplay that even a begginer on Brawl Stars can do.

The range which Luffy can still hit him in, restraining Luffy with RW is useless since it's literally a LS feat meaning Luffy negs it, and trying to argue that his fighting style is something so simple a beginner can figure it out isn't a good thing when you want to argue a character as crafty as Luffy isn't capable of figuring it out.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Plus the space thing seems to have no range to it, with him needing to draw a line onto Luffy in order for it to work.

Speed is equal. Gray just moving his finger isn't gonna take very much time to quickly do, can just teleport away if he's grabbed. Starting distance is only 20 meters. Gray can just teleport like twice (Gray teleports instantly wherever he makes his portals. Actually using the portals has a delay. Gray's TP is a byproduct and just something that happens immediately) and tear Luffy's face off. Also I'd like to note that Gray has no confirmed fighting style. It's just presumed he knows how to dodge fast attacks and know how to control areas with his abilities given that's how Brawl Stars is played. The fact that he's bloodlusted though would mean he would just try to spatially cut him very fast via TPs

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Speed is equal. Gray just moving his finger isn't gonna take very much time to quickly do, can just teleport away if he's grabbed.

Again, in order to teleport he needs to draw a circle around him which isn't something he can properly do in a grapple. Additionally speed being equal goes against Gray quite a bit due to Luffy being able to handle things massively faster than him + will be improving his own stats in any event where the fight doesn't end immediately.

Gray can just teleport like twice (Gray teleports instantly wherever he makes his portals. Actually using the portals has a delay. Gray's TP is a byproduct and just something that happens immediately) and tear Luffy's face off.

He's only ever been shown to travel through them. Additionally he still has no real means of bypassing Luffy's rubber defense physically so tearing his face off won't work.

Also I'd like to note that Gray has no confirmed fighting style. It's just presumed he knows how to dodge fast attacks and know how to control areas with his abilities given that's how Brawl Stars is played. The fact that he's bloodlusted though would mean he would just try to spatially cut him very fast via TPs

His fighting style based on everything I've seen relies primarily on either physical punches or energy attacks. Additionally, again, Luffy can predict attacks happening absurdly faster than what Gray is capable of dishing out. He's not gonna be able to get a full space cut on Luffy before he's grabbed mid-slash and flung away

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Again, in order to teleport he needs to draw a circle around him which isn't something he can properly do in a grapple. Additionally speed being equal goes against Gray quite a bit due to Luffy being able to handle things massively faster than him + will be improving his own stats in any event where the fight doesn't end immediately.

In order to make a portal he can make a circle yes. But he himself doesn't have to do this. In-game he can create a portal on where he is standing and a portal several meters away from where he even is in an instant. Gray can make portals via drawing holes out, but he doesnt have to.

He's only ever been shown to travel through them. Additionally he still has no real means of bypassing Luffy's rubber defense physically so tearing his face off won't work

I'm talking about negating his dura via spatial manip

His fighting style based on everything I've seen relies primarily on either physical punches or energy attacks. Additionally, again, Luffy can predict attacks happening absurdly faster than what Gray is capable of dishing out. He's not gonna be able to get a full space cut on Luffy before he's grabbed mid-slash and flung away

Luffy has no prior knowledge. He doesn't know Gray's moveset in the slightest so he can't predict what he'll do. I doubt in a fight he'd be able to quickly react to someone teleporting right at him

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

In order to make a portal he can make a circle yes. But he himself doesn't have to do this. He can telekinetically control his gloves to move away from him to do this. Also in-game he can create a portal on where he is standing and a portal several meters away from where he even is in an instant. Gray can make portals via drawing holes out, but he doesnt have to.

Ok, at least we're getting somewhere now. The telekinetic gloves would help however Luffy is experienced with characters telekinetically moving limbs and still wouldn't help him much if he's launched, since Luffy is easily beating the gloves thanks to LS.

As for the gameplay, as I mentioned several times there's still a circle being drawn underneath him which now on a closer look is done via the telekinetic gloves. The 'teleports in a instant' is likely just a gameplay mechanic as every single example of his outside of gameplay simply has things going through the portals as one would typically expect. He's even shown to just walk directly over the portals which very obviously indicates that the teleportation is user activated and most likely can't teleport enemies like they normally would.

I'm talking about negating his dura via spatial manip

Fair, but that's easier said then done as for something I'll point out in a second

Luffy has no prior knowledge. He doesn't know Gray's moveset in the slightest so he can't predict what he'll do. I doubt in a fight he'd be able to quickly react to someone teleporting right at him

He can't predict what Gray will do? If only there was an obvious indicator telegraphing exactly what he's doing. Luffy has insane senses, Kuro was practically teleporting on a much better level than Gray was and Luffy was still able to catch him (Gray still needs to physically move through the portal and attack Luffy normally, all of which is perfectly react able as opposed to Kuro running at him at 10,000 times faster speeds), can keep dodging despite having being tear gassed, and most obviously of all he has a literal 6th sense which warns him of incoming one shots and allows him to react accordingly to them.

Gray isn't getting through those reactions, and onto of all of that his spacial manipulation is being overhyped immensely. To my knowledge he's never been shown to actually separate anything with his spatial manipulation and the act of physically separating something is something he struggles to do with his LS. We currently have no reason to believe that a simple line drawn would be enough to actually kill or incapacitate as Gray would still need to physically brawl against Luffy in order to pull it off.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Ok, at least we're getting somewhere now. The telekinetic gloves would help however Luffy is experienced with characters telekinetically moving limbs and still wouldn't help him much if he's launched, since Luffy is easily beating the gloves thanks to LS.

As for the gameplay, as I mentioned several times there's still a circle being drawn underneath him which now on a closer look is done via the telekinetic gloves. The 'teleports in a instant' is likely just a gameplay mechanic as every single example of his outside of gameplay simply has things going through the portals as one would typically expect. He's even shown to just walk directly over the portals which very obviously indicates that the teleportation is user activated and most likely can't teleport enemies like they normally would.

Gray's Super lets him create gloves to make a ring on 2 different locations (something i didnt notice until now). In his win animation the glove that makes the portal is his own glove. He's creating gloves at a distance to generate portals with his actual Super ability. Also the portal is visibly created after he teleports so he's just teleporting as a byproduct of his Super as well.

He can't predict what Gray will do? If only there was an obvious indicator telegraphing exactly what he's doing.

Teleporting is instant. But the dotted line for portals yeah Luffy could tell, but Luffy wouldn't be able to guess he's making a portal or making a barrier from making dotted lines in the air like a cartoon.

Gray's mere ability to tear into space should let him negate durability given... well Luffy takes up space. And Gray is tearing that space Luffy is taking up (he just doesn't use this to murder people usually) Gray could just draw at a vital point and try his best to tear into it. He also already tears up a space as big as his head easily in the clip. What he struggles with is tearing a hole that he can fit inside of. Though if he's trying to cut a vital part he wouldn't really have to do that. By the time Gray cuts the space Luffy's brain or heart is located Luffy is probably dead

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Gray's Super lets him create gloves to make a ring on 2 different locations (something i didnt notice until now). In his win animation the glove that makes the portal is his own glove. He's creating gloves at a distance to generate portals with his actual Super ability. Also the portal is visibly created after he teleports so he's just teleporting as a byproduct of his Super as well.

......... literally none of that went against anything I said and him literally teleporting before a portal is created is stronger evidence towards game mechanics.

Teleporting is instant. But the dotted line for portals yeah Luffy could tell, but Luffy wouldn't be able to guess he's making a portal or making a barrier from making dotted lines in the air like a cartoon.

Sure would be able to guess when he sees another portal show up next to him or when he sees Gray trying to go through one. He's only shown to instantly do so in gameplay, which based on everything I'm seeing and hearing isn't consistent with how the character is meant to actually operate.

Gray's mere ability to tear into space should let him negate durability given... well Luffy takes up space. And Gray is tearing that space Luffy is taking up (he just doesn't use this to murder people usually)

He'd still need to seperate the space, there's no real tearing done with just a line alone which would require him to physically exert himself.

Gray could just draw at a vital point and try his best to tear into it. He also already tears up a space as big as his head easily in the clip. What he struggles with is tearing a hole that he can fit inside of. Though if he's trying to cut a vital part he wouldn't really have to do that. By the time Gray cuts the space Luffy's brain or heart is located Luffy is probably dead

Firstly, he'd need to land the hit in the first place which would require him to bypass borderline precognitive senses which can react to things 10,000 times faster than Luffy.

Secondly, he still needs to physically open the space in order to create a tear the size of his head. Something which isn't going to happen when Luffy is going to be out-grappling him to hell and back which launches him out of the fight.

Thirdly, again, we have no evidence that just a simple line causes any actual damage to the space itself. So him "cutting" the space wouldn't be an applicable win since there's no reason to believe him drawing on space would be lethal on its own.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

......... literally none of that went against anything I said and him literally teleporting before a portal is created is stronger evidence towards game mechanics.

It was to set up the fact that Gray teleporting is just something he does as well as him making portals. Since the teleport happens immediately but his portals still need to be opened up after he teleports. I don't see how this is game mechanics when it has Gray display an ability separate from making portals (note that Supers are just special moves/tactics. Brawlers can perform multiple acts with their Supers at once)

which based on everything I'm seeing and hearing isn't consistent with how the character is meant to actually operate.

He only has his in-game appearance and the short animation that has been used.

Firstly, he'd need to land the hit in the first place which would require him to bypass borderline precognitive senses which can react to things 10,000 times faster than Luffy.

...ok yeah I can see that being a problem.

Secondly, he still needs to physically open the space in order to create a tear the size of his head.

Thirdly, again, we have no evidence that just a simple line causes any actual damage to the space itself. So him "cutting" the space wouldn't be an applicable win since there's no reason to believe him drawing on space would be lethal on its own.

I use cutting as a way to refer to just space manipping. Yea Gray has to actually rip the line apart. However he has telekinetic gloves to already make the line for him if he isn't in-range to make things easier.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

It was to set up the fact that Gray teleporting is just something he does as well as him making portals. Since the teleport happens immediately but his portals still need to be opened up. I don't see how this is game mechanics when it has Gray display an ability separate from making portals (note that Supers are just special moves/tactics. Brawlers can perform multiple acts with their Supers at once)

It's because of the fact that he's only teleporting as a byproduct of the portals. Him teleporting before the portal is visually shown would be a gameplay thing as it's just activating the portal effect before you'd normally be able to see it.

He only has his in-game appearance and the short animation that has been used.

While that is fair, there should be better classifications on what is and isn't accepted for abilities since his animated feats and gameplay feats are noticeably different. I lean closer to animated depictions being more accurate however as when he's manually being animated outside if pure gameplay (such as win animations or the like) he's shown using the portals akin to his animation examples.

I use cutting as a way to refer to just space manipping. Yea Gray has to actually rip the line apart. However he has telekinetic gloves to already make the line for him if he isn't in-range to make things easier.

While that is true, that is more set up that he needs to do as opposed to Luffy just hitting him once.

Also, now that I'm thinking on it, ya think his portal stuff is connected to the gloves? Has he shown to do them without utilizing them cause it seems all the examples have the gloves use the power rather than him himself. So if he has the gloves go off to do their own thing that could just leave him practically defenseless

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Him teleporting before the portal is visually shown would be a gameplay thing as it's just activating the portal effect before you'd normally be able to see it.

Huh? I think I sort of get what you're saying. Is it that Gray wasn't teleporting on his own and just teleported using portals that instantly activate for him to TP? In that case then it'd be redundant to show the animation of the portal being made after he uses it. It just sounds more like the game just made the portals instantly activate to easily make him teleport while using less code (game mechanics). And then have an animation of the portals being made after to signify the portals being newly made after that.

While that is fair, there should be better classifications on what is and isn't accepted for abilities since his animated feats and gameplay feats are noticeably different. I lean closer to animated depictions being more accurate however as when he's manually being animated outside if pure gameplay (such as win animations or the like) he's shown using the portals akin to his animation examples.

To be fair, in those instances he's using his own gloved hands to make portals and not giant gloves he's creating from thin-air from his Super.

While that is true, that is more set up that he needs to do as opposed to Luffy just hitting him once.

Yeah I can agree that it takes more set up. I just think if Gray can teleport then he can just TP if he's in trouble to just about anywhere and continue what he's doin

Also, now that I'm thinking on it, ya think his portal stuff is connected to the gloves? Has he shown to do them without utilizing them cause it seems all the examples have the gloves use the power rather than him himself. So if he has the gloves go off to do their own thing that could just leave him practically defenseless

It would be a neat fan theory but: He's made dotted lines with his feet before in the animation. And the origin of Brawlers all stem from being in contact with gems that then gave them supernatural powers. So it's just an innate power Gray has. Also him making gloves and controlling them would sorta just negate him having to take them off (unless Luffy grabbed them)

 

[Nonynho]

Lmfao, poor luffy having to see this annoying f*****
Coming luffy fra

 

[DivineAura44]

Lmfao, poor luffy having to see this annoying f*****
Coming luffy fra

Having to what???

 

[DivineAura44]

Anywho, Luffy kinda skill slams.

 

[Nonynho]

Having to what???

Merely looking at this guy is a miserable experience, I despise him so much.
Creature Of The Night ad Shelly>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Gray looks cool tho? (And is incredibly popular with the female fans for obvious reasons)

 

[Ryuga21]

6-1 for Luffy.

I could go on answering but I got busy and forgot.

Merely looking at this guy is a miserable experience, I despise him so much.
Creature Of The Night ad Shelly>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bro, I'm not a gray main, but I admire those who can play well with him, he's good in the hands of those who have good game awareness and good aim, unlike those two who basically just walk around and kill everyone.

 

[Ryuga21]

Btw, I think a profile for Kenji would be excellent to make some matches (Kenji vs Zoro tbh).

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Also I forgot about this animation which actually doesn't contradict the lore outside of Brawlers wearing skins, where Gray uses his portals exactly how he does in the game-pseudo teleporting into Bull to uppercut him. Which supports the idea that he can make portals from distances

So I'm very sure Gray can just portal into luffy and then spatially tear his head