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Maybe, but I'm not quite sure how that would workSurtr could probably qualify for NEP, given the fact that he has no soul
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Maybe, but I'm not quite sure how that would workSurtr could probably qualify for NEP, given the fact that he has no soul
Not everyone would have it, it would just apply to those with passive healing. Basically just see what JSW and DDM said.Why would this be a regeneration thing and not a healing thing? If he needed healing spells to come back that doesn't sound like a regeneration thing that every single character would have.
It's not mind manipulation since Eir herself doesn't want to obey Hel, since even in the quote I provided, it shows Eir doesn't want to carry out Hel's orders. The only reason that Eir follows her orders is because she believes that Hel is her mother. It's the entire reason why Hel erased Hel's memories, to make her believe that she was her mother, and make her compliant.affecting one's existence doesn't really tell me it's concept manipulation. The wording very much tells me it's mind control or body puppetry of some sorts if the character is directly controlling him to do whatever they please.
I said this in a previous comment, but it's shown in Both the Legacy of Archanea book and Cipher banner (Both of which are from IS) that Heroes is listed alongside the rest of the mainline games. If Heroes wasn't considered a core game, or if the purpose was just to list all the games, in either of the things I just mentioned, either Heroes wouldn't be listed, or TMS #FE and Warriors would also be included alongside the rest of the games. But that isn't the case, and Heroes is listed alongside the rest of the mainline games.I don't exactly see how it being in the legacy or archanea book makes it canon, also Sakurai doesn't work for intelligence system and he even said if you include FEH so he's making a guesstimate there, so again I wouldn't use Sakurai for proof, if anyone in Intelligence system confirms WoG to exist then fine. Being summoned from the games doesn't automatically make it canon though, by that logic Xenoverse is canon to mainline dragon ball because you get to explore and get the main canon characters to help you in the game, again some word of god, or flat out mentions of the events in Heroes being canon in other games would help for the canonicity.
It's stated that they are a type of dream/nightmare themselves. As such, if people cease to dream, they will stop existing. It's not soley the fact that they are reliant on dreams to keep existing.the abstract existence I don't really see it, at best it sounds like type 8 immortality if they're reliant on dreams to exist and some form of non corporeal.
I mean, Corrin themselves says that either they truly exist, or they are just someone's dream. As I explained, the latter is true. They don't truly exist in a conventional sense due to existing as a dream/idea, which qualifies for NEP Type 1, as said on the page itself.Yeah no that's not nonexistent physiology, to get NEP you literally need a statement to not exist or to be a literal void. just saying they're in a weird state isn't enough for NEP.
Okay. And thanks for responding.the rest is fine.
glass what do you mean, ae isnt limited to just concepts or being the embodiment of something, ae also extends to thoughts, ideas, emotions etc etc, dreams definitely fall under the things that are abstract mentally, something being called, pure thought, or in the case of FE, literal dreams of people would qualify for ae1 given 1)dreams themselves being abstract and 2)dreams are very much made of thoughts things that we very much treat as being abstractSo again, type 8 immortality. Being a dream at best would make you non corporeal. If they’re stated to be the embodiment of dreams themselves then sure but that’s the most I’m seeing from these dreams.
It's not Body Puppetry, since Hel isn't actively controlling Eir. If that was the case, then Hel wouldn't constantly have to pressure Eir to obey her, and rather she would just be controlling her body. Not to mention, the Body Puppetry page itself is saying that it only affects the body, and not anything non-physical like the mind or soul. It's her very existence/being that is being tampered with to make it impossible for her to oppose Hel.again that’s way too vague to assume conceptual manipulation. Also saying they aren’t able to disobey orders and it not being mind manipulation sounds like body puppetry to me. You need an actual mention on his concept being affected in order for this to work as concept hax.
Other games acknowledging the existence of Heroes really isn't necessary, especially considering that the same could be said of Three Houses. I brought up Sakurai, since what he says is confirming what we see in the Legacy of Archanea Book, and Cipher Banner, where the spin-offs (TMS #FE and Warriors) are excluded, but Heroes is included with the rest of the mainline entries. This is basically showing that Heroes is considered a mainline entry, despite not there being a direct statement that says "heroes is canon."Again you need some of the other games in the series to acknowledge the existence of Heroes as well for this to be canon. It’s the main reason why Dissidia is accepted as canon in final fantasy because we have numerous games and extended lore flat out confirm Dissidia is a canonical game in the series. The remakes also take precedent over the original games so the original 3 games don’t exactly count anymore. Like I said we need an actual employee from IS to confirm it’s canonicity to have this be Valid. If Sakurai did the same thing for either Kirby or kid Icarus then his word holds weight since he’s the creator of those games, but he’s not for FE.
The quotes I provided show that the fairies embody a type of dream (Ex: Plumeria says she is the lewd dream, Triandra says she is the nightmare), which is again, back up by the fact that they are reliant on dreams/nightmares to exist. So they are stated to be the dream itself, and are shown to be reliant on it to keep existing. And on the Abstract Existence page, it even says that one can embody a thought to qualify, which is essentially what a dream is. There are also characters like Hiiragi Yoshiya that have AE Type 1 for existing as a dream.So again, type 8 immortality. Being a dream at best would make you non corporeal. If they’re stated to be the embodiment of dreams themselves then sure but that’s the most I’m seeing from these dreams.
Corrin is saying that either they actually exist, or they are just a dream, and by extension, the former would be false. It's one of the two possibilities, and we know that the latter is true. Ergo, it means that Corrin doesn't truly exist, as it's the only possible conclusion based on the two possibilities presented. Besides, existing as a dream should mean they don't exist in a conventional sense, since, well, they're a dream, ergo, not real.That again isn’t NEP. The fact you agreed Corrin’s latter point is true when the former mentions him not existing doesn’t help your case. You need an actual statement that they blatantly don’t exist or be a literal void.
Yea no one is scaling stuff from Heroes to other games. Hence why we are making new profiles.Basically using feats from all other FE games can apply to Heroes; not that it matters too much since FE Heroes has its own feats far surpassing all those other games. But using FE Heroes feats to scale any other FE game is the part that is a hard no. But I don't think anyone is doing the latter.
okay, take your timeI’ll comment here in a couple days or so, got some errands to take care of.
How exactly? It just shows that there is a canon reason why Heroes hasn't been acknowledged in other games yet.@JustSomeWeirdo you do realize them not being able to acknowledge Heroes’ presence just further disproves its placement in the mainline series right? You need that or WoG confirmation that it’s canon.
Body Puppetry also means that you are controlling their physical BODY, and not something else. It's either concept manip, or information manip, since it's Eir's literal existence being altered, and not something physical.@TheGatememer you do realize body puppetry can be done without physical contact with the individual right? Affecting someone’s being doesn’t equate to conceptual manipulation unless you have further statements of it.
We're not giving every FE character a Heroes key, were creating new profiles for them.3 houses is irrelevant since it’s not a crossover game, as opposed to Heroes which is a crossover game. TMS is also a crossover to SMT, something not comparable to a self crossover like fire emblem. Again Dissidia final fantasy is a crossover of the entire final fantasy franchise, however there’s plenty of statements both in the game and outside in mainline titles and extended canon that solidifies Dissidia being part of the mainline series, hence why anyone has a Dissidia key to begin with. You need that stuff to remotely give every single Fire Emblem character that doesn’t originate in Heroes an extra key for said game.
It's a case of either A or B being true. If B is true, than that means A is false, and vice versa. In this case, Corrin states that either he truly exists, or he only exists as a dream. The latter is true, so the former has to be false, ergo, this Corrin doesn't truly exist. That is a statement of them not existing conventionally.A dream can exist in a conventional sense in fiction. You have characters interacting with dreams as if they’re real existing things in said verse. That doesn’t exactly prove NEP, especially when your Senshikan character you listed for AE1 doesn’t remotely have NEP despite being a dream. Like I said you need them being stated to be a literal void or that they don’t exist for them to have NEP.
TMS is also a crossover to SMT, something not comparable to a self crossover like fire emblem.
The purpose of the page was to show off the timeline of Fire Emblem (by release date of each mainline game), and Heroes is included in it. It wouldn't make any sense for Heroes to be included but Warriors and TMS not being included if Heroes was treated as a spin-offs like the latter two. Besides, the Legacy of Archanea Book is not the only example.TMS is SMT backwards why am I only just now seeing this, a
Anyway neutral regarding the whole "canonicity" thing for a number of reasons but it still has yet to be shown where IS said FEH was "canon" or a "mainline game", and them excluding spinoffs from a section in that book doesn't mean anything without it being stated specifically what said section was for. Either way I'm not really sure why it being canon or not prevents profiles from being made when there are several examples of that not being a requirement. Or am I just missing something?
The thing is, FEH really can't be referenced in other games at the moment, as not only do they actively prevent history from being altered in other worlds, but the game isn't even finished yet. So all the Heroes that were summoned are still in Askr, as they are still under contract to keep fighting for Askr, so they can't go home, therefore have no chance to mention the events outside of Heroes. Either way, it's not a requirement for it to be mentioned in other games. If it's stated/shown to be canon, then, well, its canon.@TheGatememer If the crossover game isn't referenced in any other game as an event that happened, why should we treat is as canon? Also the same timeline includes the original Shadow dragon and Mystery of the emblem and Gaiden despite these games having remakes, which are also listed, unless we're saying they're a separate continuity (which needs proof) I don't see why it being listed here is legit enough for it being canon when it includes older games that have remakes that take precedent.
What else would it be if it's stated that her literal existence is the thing being altered? Her very "being" in this case is her existence, so some fundamental aspect of her is being altered. Though, there is an ongoing crt that might just render this irrelevant later. So I don't mind dropping this point until that CRT concludes.No you need explicit statements that it's referring to their own concept or information, one's being is way too vague to give someone an ability like conceptual manipulation.
Yea, they have access to completely different abilities and tiers, not to mention appearances for most characters.Are any of the characters in the other games that shows up in Heroes remotely different enough that they're not the same characters as they were in the game they originated from? If they lack this then I don't see why they can be added when last time I checked, having the same character, but in a different tier in a crossover game is prohibited for a while now.
That goes against what Corrin is stating. He says that either he truly exists, or he's just a dream. The latter is true, so by default, the former is false. It can't be both, it's one or the other. So according to Corrin himself, he doesn't truly exist.You're not understanding what I'm saying, him existing as a dream still means he exists.
That might be for different verses, but isn't the case here. I wouldn't be arguing this if Corrin didn't state that he doesn't truly exist due to being a dream.Also dreams in fiction do exist and characters across can interact with them normally and act like they're real things, this isn't NEP and you need proof that they're literal voids or they lack existence. This isn't enough proof.
Yeah, route splits such as Birthright/Conquest/Revelation, and even things like who you choose to have marry Robin are all canon to FEH. This isn't anything new however, all paths are alluded to happening in alternate worlds even within their own games and/or DLC (except FE4, obviously. But FEH does, in a way, retcon the pairings mentioned in FE5 like Lewyn/Erinys, by talking about how the Ced summoned to Askr could or couldn't be Lewyn's son or even if the Erinys summoned to Askr is even his mom in her Forging Bonds supports)different routes from various FE games happen to all be canon to Heroes from what JSW told me
Cool, some games get retconned by remakes I guess, they're still main series releases and so is FEH, also literally nothing contradicts FEH that isn't already addressedMain releases that become obsolete with the remakes the games have, so again a list of mainline releases just because Intelligent system made the game doesn't really help it's canonicity, go back to my dissidia point for an example of what I mean.