Marvel Comics Calculations Removal

[M3X_2.0]

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan had this thing about not showing any pixelscaling at all in his calcs and thanks to that, they gotta be removed. There is absolutely no way to tell if these calcs are correct, because their base, the pixelscaling, is missing. The calculations are:

• Darren Cross gets cratered - 132,892 Joules (Wall level)
• Cable tanks an explosion - 0.31 Tons of TNT (Building level)
• Winter Soldier tanks a grenade launcher - 0.27 Tons of TNT (Building level)
• Nuke's rocket launcher - 8.13 Tons of TNT (Large Building level+)
• Nova tanks an explosion - 810 Foe (Solar System level)

This is one of the reasons you should always include the pixelscaling and not do guesswork. MCU paid the price for having such poorly made calculations not that long ago. Also, there is no other 8-C calculation for Captain America and Wolverine Tier characters if these are indeed removed, and I also noted that both calcs are a little bit wanked.

 

[Tomfer]

You're right, yeah.

Also, there is no other 8-C calculation for Captain America and Wolverine Tier characters if these are indeed removed

Downgrade them to 9-B. Let them suffer like Daredevil 9-A suffered.

 

[Eseseso]

Sure.

 

[The_Impress]

Can these get recalc'd? The 8-C ones at least, since without them the characters would have to drop to 9-A. Fine with that but it's a significant change regardless, so want the basis cleared so the feats aren't brought up some other time.

4-B is also being used to scale Nova and Annihilus, so that's still relevant.

Nuke's rocket and Cross' cratering are whatever, take it or leave it

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

• Nova tanks an explosion - 810 Foe (Solar System level)

While there is pixel scaling in this calc the Solar System 810 Foe end doesn't have any pixel scaling that is relevant.
The explosion assumes the distance between the 3 solar systems and the "nova tanks the boom" which is the end currently accepted and used assumes Earth-Mars distance so no pixel scaling.

 

[The_Impress]

Hm. Looking up the Cable feat is a bit wacky in context too.

It's Cable Vol 1 60, it's very heavily implied in the next page that Cable actually managed to escape through the sewers to avoid the explosion altogether

The guy who is in the explosion with him is 10-B, it's just a random civilian. And I think if there was any way Cable shielded him from the explosion and not evacuated him, we would get A SINGULAR PANEL of how that happened.

So damn, the feat seems bad regardless.

 

[Tomfer]

Hm. Looking up the Cable feat is a bit wacky in context too.

It's Cable Vol 1 60, it's very heavily implied in the next page that Cable actually managed to escape through the sewers to avoid the explosion altogether

The guy who is in the explosion with him is 10-B, it's just a random civilian. And I think if there was any way Cable shielded him from the explosion and not evacuated him, we would get A SINGULAR PANEL of how that happened.

So damn, the feat seems bad regardless.

Welcome back, tier 9-A.

 

[The_Impress]

Also the Bucky feat is also missing context. The way the scan as it framed on the wiki shows that it was the grenades that caused the explosion, it's not.

Captain America Vol 1 615

Original context clearly shows it's through a ring of C4.

Why is this relevant?

I think this should use the ground-based burst instead. Because the grenade doesn't seem to explode mid-air, but it explodes on the ground instead.



Because as you can see when it hits Bucky's shield, it drops to the floor beside him, then it explodes.



W = R^3*((27136*P+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 where R is radius in meters, P is pressure in bars (1.37895 bars usually) and W is yield in tons of TNT



W = 15.0171176695^3*((27136*1.37895+8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2= 0.27217314181 tons of TNT (Building level)

KLOL gives a revised version that is reliant on the explosion being through grenades. The original version that solely calculated the destructive yield only got 9-A. So the 8-C end is reliant on a fact that didn't happen.

So both the feats are straight up wrong and deceptive scans lol

 

[The_Impress]

I will say whoever falsified the Bucky scan, ******* kudos because wow this is some esoteric wanking to only get a 3x result. I respect it

 

[Antvasima]

I would also appreciate if somebody is willing to properly recalculate the valid feats for these characters.

 

[Armorchompy]

Apparently both the 8-C ones are just invalid based on other grounds. So it might be going down to 9-A.

 

[Saqphire]

Obvious agree, although the first end of the solar system bust should be fine since there's no need for any pixel scaling on that part. The other two ends should be tossed tho.

 

[KLOL506]

This is fine by me. I always found the Cable calc suspect but I just couldn't prove it.

 

[The_Impress]

Apparently both the 8-C ones are just invalid based on other grounds. So it might be going down to 9-A.

Bucky one, the feat is legit, just the scans we used missed an ENORMOUS detail.

Without said detail the end that was calced was 9-A, so we're redoing that calc

 

[Dalesean027]

Yup give em the axe, Spino's calcs if you can call them that have been notoriously bad since its all just assumptions and guesswork with no px scaling ever

 

[Da3ggman]

I agree with killing em, tho some might be worth a re-calcing.

 

[Saqphire]

I agree with killing em, tho some might be worth a re-calcing.

I can re-do the 3 solar system feat I guess? That one seems valid enough to preserve

 

[The_Impress]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dark-Carioca/Bucky_tanks_a_C4_explosion

Bucky's explosion got Wall level+.

Is Crossbones' feat reachable by 9-B+s?

 

[The_Impress]

Okay, so...

I think for now we treat the Crossbones feat as an outlier (I think it's got some jank to it in the choice of the material used) and just upscale the present 8-Cs from 9-B+s and thus make them baseline 9-As.

Once we get more calc'd feats we can try for new ratings for the tier instead, and can contextualize the Crossbones feat from that.

In the present state I don't feel confident holding up the tier on that alone..

 

[The_Impress]

Also I think this sorta kills Cap tier Bucky, the calc is an antifeat for him being higher

 

[The_Impress]

Spoiler: Current list of Marvel 8-Cs affected

1. Cable (Marvel Comics)
2. Captain America (Marvel Comics)
3. Wolverine (Marvel Comics)
4. Black Panther (Marvel Comics)
5. Crossbones (Marvel Comics)
6. Rogue (Marvel Comics)
7. Winter Soldier (Marvel Comics)
8. Northstar
9. Storm (Marvel Comics)
10. Scarlet Witch (Marvel Comics)
11. Quicksilver (Marvel Comics)
12. Kingpin (Marvel Comics)
13. Beast (Marvel Comics)
14. Taskmaster (Marvel Comics)
15. Laura Kinney (Original)
16. Mister Sinister
17. Daken Akihiro
18. Silver Samurai (Marvel Comics)
19. Speed Demon (Marvel Comics)
20. Black Knight (Marvel Comics)
21. Sabretooth (Marvel Comics)
22. Old Man Logan
23. Red Skull (Marvel Comics)
24. Shuri
25. Domino (Marvel Comics)
26. Gwenpool
27. U.S. Agent (Marvel Comics)
28. Aurora (Marvel Comics)
29. Tigra (Marvel Comics)
30. Elsa Bloodstone (Marvel Comics)
31. Bishop (Marvel Comics)
32. Warpath (Marvel Comics)
33. Reader (Marvel Comics)
34. Wolfsbane (Marvel Comics)
35. Nuke (Marvel Comics)
36. Honey Badger (Marvel Comics)
37. Azazel (Marvel Comics)
38. Heinrich Zemo (Marvel Comics)
39. Jubilee (Marvel Comics)
40. Jack Flag (Marvel Comics)
41. Free Spirit (Marvel Comics)
42. Man-Ape (Marvel Comics)
43. Sugar Man (Marvel Comics)
44. Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell)
45. Whirlwind (Marvel Comics)
46. Mandarin (Marvel Comics)
47. Titanium Man
48. D-Man (Marvel Comics)
49. Red Guardian (Alexi Shostakov)
50. Captain America (William Burnside)
51. Captain Ultra (Marvel Comics)
52. Blazing Skull (Post-Golden Age)
53. Shang-Chi (Marvel Comics)
54. Orphan-Maker (Marvel Comics)
55. Kimura (Marvel Comics)
56. Selene (Marvel Comics)
57. Firebrand (Gary Gilbert)
58. Daredevil (Marvel Comics)
59. Grey Gargoyle (Marvel Comics)
60. Mister Fantastic
61. Gorgon (Tomi Shishido)
62. Archangel (Marvel Comics)
63. Supreme Intelligence (Marvel Comics)
64. Kree (Marvel Comics)
65. M.O.D.O.K. Superior
66. Skullbuster (Cylla Markham)
67. Hawkeye (New Ultimate Universe)
68. Sister Dagger (Marvel Comics)
69. Motormouth (Marvel Comics)
70. The Hood (Marvel Comics)
71. Risque (Marvel Comics)
72. Reaper (Marvel Comics)

These are all the guys getting rescaled.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Spoiler: Current list of Marvel 8-Cs affected

1. Cable (Marvel Comics)
2. Captain America (Marvel Comics)
3. Wolverine (Marvel Comics)
4. Black Panther (Marvel Comics)
5. Crossbones (Marvel Comics)
6. Rogue (Marvel Comics)
7. Winter Soldier (Marvel Comics)
8. Northstar
9. Storm (Marvel Comics)
10. Scarlet Witch (Marvel Comics)
11. Quicksilver (Marvel Comics)
12. Kingpin (Marvel Comics)
13. Beast (Marvel Comics)
14. Taskmaster (Marvel Comics)
15. Laura Kinney (Original)
16. Mister Sinister
17. Daken Akihiro
18. Silver Samurai (Marvel Comics)
19. Speed Demon (Marvel Comics)
20. Black Knight (Marvel Comics)
21. Sabretooth (Marvel Comics)
22. Old Man Logan
23. Red Skull (Marvel Comics)
24. Shuri
25. Domino (Marvel Comics)
26. Gwenpool
27. U.S. Agent (Marvel Comics)
28. Aurora (Marvel Comics)
29. Tigra (Marvel Comics)
30. Elsa Bloodstone (Marvel Comics)
31. Bishop (Marvel Comics)
32. Warpath (Marvel Comics)
33. Reader (Marvel Comics)
34. Wolfsbane (Marvel Comics)
35. Nuke (Marvel Comics)
36. Honey Badger (Marvel Comics)
37. Azazel (Marvel Comics)
38. Heinrich Zemo (Marvel Comics)
39. Jubilee (Marvel Comics)
40. Jack Flag (Marvel Comics)
41. Free Spirit (Marvel Comics)
42. Man-Ape (Marvel Comics)
43. Sugar Man (Marvel Comics)
44. Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell)
45. Whirlwind (Marvel Comics)
46. Mandarin (Marvel Comics)
47. Titanium Man
48. D-Man (Marvel Comics)
49. Red Guardian (Alexi Shostakov)
50. Captain America (William Burnside)
51. Captain Ultra (Marvel Comics)
52. Blazing Skull (Post-Golden Age)
53. Shang-Chi (Marvel Comics)
54. Orphan-Maker (Marvel Comics)
55. Kimura (Marvel Comics)
56. Selene (Marvel Comics)
57. Firebrand (Gary Gilbert)
58. Daredevil (Marvel Comics)
59. Grey Gargoyle (Marvel Comics)
60. Mister Fantastic
61. Gorgon (Tomi Shishido)
62. Archangel (Marvel Comics)
63. Supreme Intelligence (Marvel Comics)
64. Kree (Marvel Comics)
65. M.O.D.O.K. Superior
66. Skullbuster (Cylla Markham)
67. Hawkeye (New Ultimate Universe)
68. Sister Dagger (Marvel Comics)
69. Motormouth (Marvel Comics)
70. The Hood (Marvel Comics)
71. Risque (Marvel Comics)
72. Reaper (Marvel Comics)

These are all the guys getting rescaled.

Nico Minoru as well she scales 10x Wolverine.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Also I think this sorta kills Cap tier Bucky, the calc is an antifeat for him being higher

I find it hard to believe that there aren’t multiple times where bucky has proven comparable to cap

 

[The_Impress]

Nico Minoru as well she scales 10x Wolverine.

K, that's gonna make her 9-A prolly

I find it hard to believe that there aren’t multiple times where bucky has proven comparable to cap

Feel free to make a compilation

 

[The_Impress]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:The_Imp-ress/8-C_shuffle#2026_Edition

So, done. This would be the new scaling chain.

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't think Burnside should have a tier split for his durability, having a glass jaw doesn't make your durability magically go down it just means you're bad at taking hits. Especially now that 9-A is just upscaling from 9-B+ it's kinda silly.

Rest seems good. Agree with the Storm and Wanda tiering changes, they shouldn't have been that high ever

 

[The_Impress]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:The_Imp-ress/8-C_shuffle#2026_Edition

So, done. This would be the new scaling chain.

@Antvasima gather input for this proposal specifically

 

[The_Impress]

or should I just make a new thread?

 

[M3X_2.0]

There is another solution which is to make everyone 9-A based on Deadpool. He has a few other feats other than this one to make it more consistent.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Da3ggman/Deadpool_Punches_a_Faker

 

[Dalesean027]

Spoiler: Current list of Marvel 8-Cs affected

1. Cable (Marvel Comics)
2. Captain America (Marvel Comics)
3. Wolverine (Marvel Comics)
4. Black Panther (Marvel Comics)
5. Crossbones (Marvel Comics)
6. Rogue (Marvel Comics)
7. Winter Soldier (Marvel Comics)
8. Northstar
9. Storm (Marvel Comics)
10. Scarlet Witch (Marvel Comics)
11. Quicksilver (Marvel Comics)
12. Kingpin (Marvel Comics)
13. Beast (Marvel Comics)
14. Taskmaster (Marvel Comics)
15. Laura Kinney (Original)
16. Mister Sinister
17. Daken Akihiro
18. Silver Samurai (Marvel Comics)
19. Speed Demon (Marvel Comics)
20. Black Knight (Marvel Comics)
21. Sabretooth (Marvel Comics)
22. Old Man Logan
23. Red Skull (Marvel Comics)
24. Shuri
25. Domino (Marvel Comics)
26. Gwenpool
27. U.S. Agent (Marvel Comics)
28. Aurora (Marvel Comics)
29. Tigra (Marvel Comics)
30. Elsa Bloodstone (Marvel Comics)
31. Bishop (Marvel Comics)
32. Warpath (Marvel Comics)
33. Reader (Marvel Comics)
34. Wolfsbane (Marvel Comics)
35. Nuke (Marvel Comics)
36. Honey Badger (Marvel Comics)
37. Azazel (Marvel Comics)
38. Heinrich Zemo (Marvel Comics)
39. Jubilee (Marvel Comics)
40. Jack Flag (Marvel Comics)
41. Free Spirit (Marvel Comics)
42. Man-Ape (Marvel Comics)
43. Sugar Man (Marvel Comics)
44. Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell)
45. Whirlwind (Marvel Comics)
46. Mandarin (Marvel Comics)
47. Titanium Man
48. D-Man (Marvel Comics)
49. Red Guardian (Alexi Shostakov)
50. Captain America (William Burnside)
51. Captain Ultra (Marvel Comics)
52. Blazing Skull (Post-Golden Age)
53. Shang-Chi (Marvel Comics)
54. Orphan-Maker (Marvel Comics)
55. Kimura (Marvel Comics)
56. Selene (Marvel Comics)
57. Firebrand (Gary Gilbert)
58. Daredevil (Marvel Comics)
59. Grey Gargoyle (Marvel Comics)
60. Mister Fantastic
61. Gorgon (Tomi Shishido)
62. Archangel (Marvel Comics)
63. Supreme Intelligence (Marvel Comics)
64. Kree (Marvel Comics)
65. M.O.D.O.K. Superior
66. Skullbuster (Cylla Markham)
67. Hawkeye (New Ultimate Universe)
68. Sister Dagger (Marvel Comics)
69. Motormouth (Marvel Comics)
70. The Hood (Marvel Comics)
71. Risque (Marvel Comics)
72. Reaper (Marvel Comics)

These are all the guys getting rescaled.

Damn lol is that not crazy that 72 characters scaling are based on just 2 calcs only with all of it being scaling chains

 

[The_Impress]

There is another solution which is to make everyone 9-A based on Deadpool. He has a few other feats other than this one to make it more consistent.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Da3ggman/Deadpool_Punches_a_Faker

Calc isn't checked so you should do that.

But Deadpool is kinda terrible for feats, he gets a lot of them that are wildly inflated because he's a comedy character or the writers are convinced he can regen from it. The old 8-A for instance was held up by 2 or 3 different Deadpool feats in that range, and beyond this consistently writers treat him as being comparable if not even weaker than your average 9-B+, so no I disagree with this, I think having a scaling tier that is PRIMARILY reliant on Deadpool is kinda meh.

And for reference I don't mind low end 9-A for this tier, which is around where the Deadpool calc is, it's again, Deadpool is not positioned at that tier in scaling, and he has both low tier and high tier contradictions for it, both in scaling and otherwise.

Damn lol is that not crazy that 72 characters scaling are based on just 2 calcs only with all of it being scaling chains

Dems da breaks, it's why I've been more zealous on rescaling 5-Bs too for instance, since they only have one or two feats for any proposed tier too, and that's close to 200 characters iirc.

But honestly I think with exception to certain characters that are poorly repped on the wiki (Mr. Fantastic and Black Knight), honestly rest of them being vague upscales from 9-B+s isn't terrible scaling, I think they're very consistently treated to be in a tier where they're reachable by your Daredevil or Punisher

 

[Dalesean027]

Dems da breaks, it's why I've been more zealous on rescaling 5-Bs too for instance, since they only have one or two feats for any proposed tier too

I don't think the number of calcs is the sole problem here but good work doing rescales

 

[M3X_2.0]

But Deadpool is kinda terrible for feats, he gets a lot of them that are wildly inflated because he's a comedy character or the writers are convinced he can regen from it. The old 8-A for instance was held up by 2 or 3 different Deadpool feats in that range, and beyond this consistently writers treat him as being comparable if not even weaker than your average 9-B+, so no I disagree with this, I think having a scaling tier that is PRIMARILY reliant on Deadpool is kinda meh.

I disagree because this one in specific is about his strength and not durability, he has a couple more where he just bust giant walls with his attacks or throwing something. This super strength of his is very consistent, actually.

He also has some legit durability feats where he takes no noticeable damage, like, at all. They make it clear whenever they take damage in more recent comics.

Also, I miiight be able to save 8-C depending on one calc I’m gonna finish later today. Although it’s for Taskmaster.

 

[Tomfer]

There is another solution which is to make everyone 9-A based on Deadpool. He has a few other feats other than this one to make it more consistent.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Da3ggman/Deadpool_Punches_a_Faker

Just to let everyone know that the source is Spider-Man/Deadpool Vol 1 27.

But Deadpool is kinda terrible for feats

I agree with you at some level, but first this one, like M3X said, is a strength feat, not a durability one. But also the fact that most other characters kinda... either stomp him or at the very least, fight evenly shows that he's not a bad baseline like you're saying.

Also, a little on the sidenote, I'm pretty sure his regen got nerfed these couple of years.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'd say wait for M3X to finish cooking this gourmet dish

 

[Armorchompy]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, the calc just isn't usable. cracking something =/= fragmentating it, it needs to actually break apart.

 

[M3X_2.0]

As far as I know, cracking feats are calculated like that.

 

[Rgerdeena]

I disagree because this one in specific is about his strength and not durability, he has a couple more where he just bust giant walls with his attacks or throwing something. This super strength of his is very consistent, actually.

He also has some legit durability feats where he takes no noticeable damage, like, at all. They make it clear whenever they take damage in more recent comics.

Also, I miiight be able to save 8-C depending on one calc I’m gonna finish later today. Although it’s for Taskmaster.

I’ve seen a few calcs for 9-A feats for daredevil, would those work if I can find them

 

[Armorchompy]

As far as I know, cracking feats are calculated like that.

Well, I don't believe it's correct. Fragmentation implies complete destruction of the material, if it's still in one piece then by necessity it isn't destroyed. You also have no way of verifying how thoroughly and how deeply the cracks have spread, for all you know they've just gone a few cm deep and barely affected the material's stability.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I’ve seen a few calcs for 9-A feats for daredevil, would those work if I can find them

I have some 9-A feats for Daredevil too that I may or may not have been keeping in secret