Mashymre Downgrade

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Hello everyone, I'll get to the point quickly. As you know, Mashymre, the creator of Mashima Cosmology, is currently at Low 1-C on the wiki, so how accurate is it to give this rating? It's probably Low 1-C now even though the character is wrong because the profile is pretty old and no one cares. So what's wrong with this scale? First of all, Mashymre sees the 4d plane as 2d. Great so far, but the problem is that this doesn't address the dimensionality in the R>F relationship at all.
Moreover, Mashymre exists and lives in the universe he considers fictional (the Real Island), and yes, this conflicts with the wiki's current R>F relationship scaling standards. When he gets to a point where it is clearly against Wiki standards, he is slapped by Shinra and knocked out. (This character is planet level)
Then when it comes time for Mashymre to return to her true form, there must be a qualitative transcendence, even if the R>F character takes hde. Whether he forgets this or not is completely irrelevant because the concept of HDE has nothing to do with character forgetting. What Mashymre forgets are the stories he creates. Even when his memory is restored, he continues to exist in the 3D plane, and this is again a contradiction. I would also like to draw attention to one more issue: There is only 1 Key for the character on the Wiki. So there is no such thing as a Weakened form.
Therefore, Mashymre needs to be downgraded from Low 1-C to 2-A as soon as possible. And the HDE in the Character's profile should be removed.

Here are the scans of all the events I mentioned.

 

[Wankstasosuke]

Absolutely I agree.

 

[Raskolux]

I think I agree with that

"•The realities are portrayed like parallel universes or otherwise as having just a finite difference in scale or having a similar nature.
•The characters from both realities are generally being portrayed as comparable in power
•The author character completely live in the fictional medium themselves. For example the author character might have a book that contains the world, but the author themselves are also a character in it and don't exist outside it any more than other characters of that world.
•The fictional characters being able to attack the real ones without being shown to somehow have transcended their fictional world or having special abilities that allow it. Such instances often have to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis to judge how they are best rated."

These are some of the antis mentioned on the r>f page and they fit exactly with the examples you provided.

Also, dr.slump downgraded for the exact same reason:

Dr. Slump Arale Chan Downgrade

This is quite simple. The reasonings given for Low 1-C hax for Arale aren't sufficient. Her hax comes from scaling to a character (that doesn't have a profile by the way). This character is presented on Arale's profile to be the author of the series and has full control of the medium. This is...

vsbattles.com

 

[DonkeySlayer06]

Seeing the 4D structures related to the subject of L1C as 2D cannot always be seen as a qualitative excess, and there is contradictory evidence in the verse, so I find it logical to reduce the character to 2A.

I'm undecided about HDE. A character with a higher dimensional existence may be on a lower plane of existence, there is no problem with that, but I still feel undecided.

 

[Wankstasosuke]

Even though the mashymre that comes towards me is the author of the series, it exists in the same reality as the series she wrote on a different plane.

 

[Raskolux]

Seeing the 4D structures related to the subject of L1C as 2D cannot always be seen as a qualitative excess, and there is contradictory evidence in the verse, so I find it logical to reduce the character to 2A.

I'm undecided about HDE. A character with a higher dimensional existence may be on a lower plane of existence, there is no problem with that, but I still feel undecided.

This can be ignored as there is no acceptable argument for HDE

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Also, dr.slump downgraded for the exact same reason:

Dr. Slump Arale Chan Downgrade

This is quite simple. The reasonings given for Low 1-C hax for Arale aren't sufficient. Her hax comes from scaling to a character (that doesn't have a profile by the way). This character is presented on Arale's profile to be the author of the series and has full control of the medium. This is...

vsbattles.com

Yes

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I'm undecided about HDE. A character with a higher dimensional existence may be on a lower plane of existence, there is no problem with that, but I still feel undecided.

But Mash has HDE thanks to R>F, and if you deny this, there will be no reason for him to get HDE at all.

 

[Benimōru]

I will remain neutral until the supporters give their input.

 

[Matrixxxx]

I agree because this is contradictory in the new system
The author is part of the universe he creates and is influenced by it, which contradicts r>f and the like.
For example, in the Dr. Slump universe
Tori bot downgraded for this contradiction

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

For example, in the Dr. Slump universe
Tori bot downgraded for this contradiction

Yes, that's exactly what happened.

 

[ZetsuEarly0]

Everything seems in place and logical, I agree.

 

[Valeska24]

I agree

 

[Arceus0x]

I was asked to comment here. Seems legit.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This seems to make sense, but I'd still like to hear from the knowledgeable supporters before fully casting a vote.

 

[Memonto_Mori]

I agree

 

[MeliodasDeUzyy]

Agreed

 

[KailynxY77]

Agreed

 

[Raskolux]

Can someone tag fairy tail supporters here so we can come to a more productive agreement in a much shorter time

 

[Amon.vl]

Agree

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I agree. I think it should be reduced to 2A and HDE should be removed

 

[AloseVQ]

I agree.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Guys... The Mashymyre that appears IN the story and interacts with all the characters is NOT the actual Mashymyre, that's just an avatar that Mashymyre uses to interact with them. The real Mashymyre lives in a completely separate reality and literally wrote the plots of these world's into existence...

None of the Avatar Mashymyre feats apply to the True Mashymyre. I mean Mashymyre says he created these stories 60 years ago to him, but these worlds contain thousands of years within them... He's literally the author

 

[Matrixxxx]

Dude, no mod is looking

 

[CloverDragon03]

Mitch is correct. This is merely Mashymyre’s avatar, and thus, nothing said here actually applies to the real Mashymyre

 

[Matrixxxx]

Guys... The Mashymyre that appears IN the story and interacts with all the characters is NOT the actual Mashymyre, that's just an avatar that Mashymyre uses to interact with them. The real Mashymyre lives in a completely separate reality and literally wrote the plots of these world's into existence...

None of the Avatar Mashymyre feats apply to the True Mashymyre. I mean Mashymyre says he created these stories 60 years ago to him, but these worlds contain thousands of years within them... He's literally the author

This requires a different profile
And it is not clear which one is the real mashymyre

 

[CloverDragon03]

This requires a different profile
And it is not clear which one is the real mashymyre

A different profile is not required, no. At best Mashymyre would get a new key for his avatar

 

[Matrixxxx]

A different profile is not required, no. At best Mashymyre would get a new key for his avatar

There is no different key so it must be a new key, this profile would be a misleading because everyone who enters this profile
Anime mashymyre thinks it's l1c

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Guys... The Mashymyre that appears IN the story and interacts with all the characters is NOT the actual Mashymyre, that's just an avatar that Mashymyre uses to interact with them. The real Mashymyre lives in a completely separate reality and literally wrote the plots of these world's into existence...

None of the Avatar Mashymyre feats apply to the True Mashymyre. I mean Mashymyre says he created these stories 60 years ago to him, but these worlds contain thousands of years within them... He's literally the author

If it is as you say, can you send me a scan that shows what you are talking about? And even if this is the case, a new key should be added for Mash.

 

[Zeinx1]

Guys... The Mashymyre that appears IN the story and interacts with all the characters is NOT the actual Mashymyre, that's just an avatar that Mashymyre uses to interact with them. The real Mashymyre lives in a completely separate reality and literally wrote the plots of these world's into existence...

None of the Avatar Mashymyre feats apply to the True Mashymyre. I mean Mashymyre says he created these stories 60 years ago to him, but these worlds contain thousands of years within them... He's literally the author

I was thinking of saying this too, I agree.

 

[Zeinx1]

There is no different key so it must be a new key, this profile would be a misleading because everyone who enters this profile
Anime mashymyre thinks it's l1c

Dude, there is no such thing as anime mashmyre, I think you tried to debunk it without reading Heroes.

 

[Raskolux]

Guys... The Mashymyre that appears IN the story and interacts with all the characters is NOT the actual Mashymyre, that's just an avatar that Mashymyre uses to interact with them. The real Mashymyre lives in a completely separate reality and literally wrote the plots of these world's into existence...

None of the Avatar Mashymyre feats apply to the True Mashymyre. I mean Mashymyre says he created these stories 60 years ago to him, but these worlds contain thousands of years within them... He's literally the author

If this is the case, shouldn't it be explained in the profiles and new keys should be created? Because this way it misleads many people

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It should also be noted guys, even if Mashymyre didn't infinitely transcend and see these world's as fiction... He still wrote multiple 2-A realities into existence just with his imagination... Edens Zero has a confirmed 2-A Cosmology

 

[Chardee.wl]

Hello everyone, I'll get to the point quickly. As you know, Mashymre, the creator of Mashima Cosmology, is currently at Low 1-C on the wiki, so how accurate is it to give this rating? It's probably Low 1-C now even though the character is wrong because the profile is pretty old and no one cares. So what's wrong with this scale? First of all, Mashymre sees the 4d plane as 2d. Great so far, but the problem is that this doesn't address the dimensionality in the R>F relationship at all.
Moreover, Mashymre exists and lives in the universe he considers fictional (the Real Island), and yes, this conflicts with the wiki's current R>F relationship scaling standards. When he gets to a point where it is clearly against Wiki standards, he is slapped by Shinra and knocked out. (This character is planet level)
Then when it comes time for Mashymre to return to her true form, there must be a qualitative transcendence, even if the R>F character takes hde. Whether he forgets this or not is completely irrelevant because the concept of HDE has nothing to do with character forgetting. What Mashymre forgets are the stories he creates. Even when his memory is restored, he continues to exist in the 3D plane, and this is again a contradiction. I would also like to draw attention to one more issue: There is only 1 Key for the character on the Wiki. So there is no such thing as a Weakened form.
Therefore, Mashymre needs to be downgraded from Low 1-C to 2-A as soon as possible. And the HDE in the Character's profile should be removed.

Here are the scans of all the events I mentioned.

I guess you haven't read the heroes series yet.it's not mashymre who interacts with the characters there,it's her avatar.the real mashymre is the one who created these universes and sees them as fiction.another mistake you made was thinking that shinra usurped the avatar mashymre.shinra only destroyed oasis with the help of other characters

 

[Chardee.wl]

There is no different key so it must be a new key, this profile would be a misleading because everyone who enters this profile
Anime mashymyre thinks it's l1c

the heroes series doesn't have an anime.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

It should also be noted guys, even if Mashymyre didn't infinitely transcend and see these world's as fiction... He still wrote multiple 2-A realities into existence just with his imagination... Edens Zero has a confirmed 2-A Cosmology

The fact that the character is 2-A does not pose any problem, but due to the deficiencies you mentioned in his profile, it is quite misunderstood that he is Low 1-C.

 

[Matrixxxx]

If true mashymyre is a character from the anime, it would be a contradiction with R>f, but as the mod said, since true mashymyre≠anime mashymyre, a different avatar should be made, if not, it would be misleading.

the heroes series doesn't have an anime.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

the heroes series doesn't have an anime.

He talked about the manga

 

[Zeinx1]

It should also be noted guys, even if Mashymyre didn't infinitely transcend and see these world's as fiction... He still wrote multiple 2-A realities into existence just with his imagination... Edens Zero has a confirmed 2-A Cosmology

The true form of Mashmyre sees the worlds as mere fiction. He is infinitely above the worlds, essentially being the author of the worlds. This guy crosses the infinite timeline with what ultear said

(We have another 2a cosmology through Heroes)

 

[Zeinx1]

If true mashymyre is a character from the anime, it would be a contradiction with R>f, but as the mod said, since true mashymyre≠anime mashymyre, a different avatar should be made, if not, it would be misleading.

You still say anime, I'm going crazy