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Master Hand vs Bill Chiper
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Well, I think Master Hand has the AP advantage, since while Bill can one shot a Low 2-C, Master Hand sees casual Low 2-Cs as mere toys, and gets even more powerful as Master Core.
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Bill via much greater hax and intelligence
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What's stopping Bill from just snapping his fingers and turning MH into a frog from the get go?
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Bill can do that, but unlike Tabuu, Master Hand also has hax AND AP.
Basically Master Hand is > Smash Arceus who is > Smash Dialga who is Low 2-C by breathing.
The bad news is whatever Master Hand starts off with is completely random, he can start by trying to fan Bill (which would do nothing) or he can just punch Bill in the face. He can slow Bill to a crawl, or try to poke Bill. He can summon 500 Low 2-C Kirby's, or sweep the ground.
Basically Master Hand is > Smash Arceus who is > Smash Dialga who is Low 2-C by breathing.
The bad news is whatever Master Hand starts off with is completely random, he can start by trying to fan Bill (which would do nothing) or he can just punch Bill in the face. He can slow Bill to a crawl, or try to poke Bill. He can summon 500 Low 2-C Kirby's, or sweep the ground.
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Master Hand FRA
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Well, Bill does have that Non-Corporeality.
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Really? Man, that sucks. Anyway, literally anything Master Hand does can one-shot him.
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Profiles for At Least Low-2C
Master Hand's profile (Intelligence is missing on his profile)
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, True Flight, Creation of animate and inanimate objects, Duplication (Creates duplicates of Smash fighters for Horde battles, and an endless amount for Endless battles), Gravity Manipulation (Some of his attacks instantly "spike" the opponent), Status Effect Inducement, Elemental Manipulation, Reality Warping (Can recreate stages and bend the rules of the game to his will), Sleep Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Time Manipulation (Can make the match a slowed down or faster one), Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (Can stand in Crazy Hand's Big Rip with literally no ill effects). Shapeshifting, Spatial Manipulation, Portal Creation (The wormhole in Final Destination is tied to him)
His Mind Manipulation looks like it is missing however it likely won affect this match outcome since Bill is resistant to it.
Intelligence: Unknown
Weaknesses: Master Hand seems to often hold back the full extent of its power
Bill Cipher's profile
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 3, and 4), Regenerationn(Low-Godly), Magic, Technological Manipulation, Pocket Reality Manipulation & BFR, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Resurrection (By speaking a special incantation, can return to life after being erased), Non-Corporeal (while in his Mindscape/Dreamscape form exists as a disembodied consciousness made out of pure energy), Duplication, Data Manipulation, Astral Projection, Portal Creation, Forcefield Creation,Teleportation, Shapeshifting, Body Control, Transmutation, Summoning, Darkness Manipulation (Stalks Dipper as a shadow), Chaos Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Power Bestowal (Bill Cipher displayed this when doing this to his minions and can bestow infinite power and grant wishes by Deals), Limited Statistics Amplification via Intelligence Enhancement from "All-time sense", Reality Warping, Inter-universal travel, Time Manipulation,Time Travel, Spatial Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Creation, Petrification, Biological Manipulation, Animal Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Rage Power, Berserk Mode, Sleep Inducement, Light Manipulation, Dream Manipulation and Nightmare Inducement, Clairvoyance, Precognition (Foresaw the future and predicted exactly what Dipper was about to do in the next few seconds just before he wakes up), Enhanced Senses (Cross-universal awareness as Bill is capable of viewing different realities via "All-Time Sense" which allows him to perceive & have knowledge of infinite timelines/dimensions, and has knowledge of the past, present, and future. Knows that inanimate objects have feelings too), Illusion Creation, Energy Projection, Energy Manipulation , Flight/Levitatio, Matter Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Telekinesis, Mind Manipulation, Telepathy, Madness Manipulation (Can create bubbles that can induce madness into whatever it touches, his true name can cause ecstasy and frenzy to mortals, and they would disintegrate into vapor), Breaking the Fourth Wall (Is aware of the real world and can "see" us, warped the show's intro into featuring him). The following abilities can only be used if Bill tricks his target into making a deal with him: Soul Removal and Possession. Mathematics Manipulation & Quantum Manipulation (by technicalities, Bill is made up by mathematical probability from existing in a state of quantum uncertainty based on the amount of information found about him since he is implied to contain numbers inside his body & geometrically-shaped as well mathematics Form), Resistance to Madness Manipulation/Mind Manipulation (One peek into the Nightmare Realm drove Fiddleford insane. Bill lived there for 1 trillion years. Bill called Fiddleford's mind weak despite having the mental protecting metal plate), and Time Manipulation (Bill Cipher is implied to have transcended this concept ), Death Manipulation
Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient (Is said to know "lots of things", such as the truth of many well-known conspiracies as well as future events, like the destruction of Gideon-bot and that Gideon Gleeful would go to prison. Bill is also able to look through the eye of anything that is made in his image, allowing him to know what occurs even when he isn't around. Is aware and can view infinite versions of himself in infinite timelines and knows of the past and future. Him not seeing his own defeat is likely PIS)
Weaknesses: Bound inside of Gravity Falls due to it being an incredibly powerful magnet for weirdness. His Regenerationn seems to take a bit of time as he complained about how long it took him to regenerate his eye back but is likely PIS. If he enters another being's mind, certain methods can be used to erase him. However, as hinted by clues such as a hidden incantation Bill spoke in reverse, he can eventually return from being erased {In short, barring PIS, it is mostly existence erasure}
Master Hand's profile (Intelligence is missing on his profile)
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, True Flight, Creation of animate and inanimate objects, Duplication (Creates duplicates of Smash fighters for Horde battles, and an endless amount for Endless battles), Gravity Manipulation (Some of his attacks instantly "spike" the opponent), Status Effect Inducement, Elemental Manipulation, Reality Warping (Can recreate stages and bend the rules of the game to his will), Sleep Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Time Manipulation (Can make the match a slowed down or faster one), Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (Can stand in Crazy Hand's Big Rip with literally no ill effects). Shapeshifting, Spatial Manipulation, Portal Creation (The wormhole in Final Destination is tied to him)
His Mind Manipulation looks like it is missing however it likely won affect this match outcome since Bill is resistant to it.
Intelligence: Unknown
Weaknesses: Master Hand seems to often hold back the full extent of its power
Bill Cipher's profile
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 3, and 4), Regenerationn(Low-Godly), Magic, Technological Manipulation, Pocket Reality Manipulation & BFR, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Resurrection (By speaking a special incantation, can return to life after being erased), Non-Corporeal (while in his Mindscape/Dreamscape form exists as a disembodied consciousness made out of pure energy), Duplication, Data Manipulation, Astral Projection, Portal Creation, Forcefield Creation,Teleportation, Shapeshifting, Body Control, Transmutation, Summoning, Darkness Manipulation (Stalks Dipper as a shadow), Chaos Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Power Bestowal (Bill Cipher displayed this when doing this to his minions and can bestow infinite power and grant wishes by Deals), Limited Statistics Amplification via Intelligence Enhancement from "All-time sense", Reality Warping, Inter-universal travel, Time Manipulation,Time Travel, Spatial Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Creation, Petrification, Biological Manipulation, Animal Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Rage Power, Berserk Mode, Sleep Inducement, Light Manipulation, Dream Manipulation and Nightmare Inducement, Clairvoyance, Precognition (Foresaw the future and predicted exactly what Dipper was about to do in the next few seconds just before he wakes up), Enhanced Senses (Cross-universal awareness as Bill is capable of viewing different realities via "All-Time Sense" which allows him to perceive & have knowledge of infinite timelines/dimensions, and has knowledge of the past, present, and future. Knows that inanimate objects have feelings too), Illusion Creation, Energy Projection, Energy Manipulation , Flight/Levitatio, Matter Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Telekinesis, Mind Manipulation, Telepathy, Madness Manipulation (Can create bubbles that can induce madness into whatever it touches, his true name can cause ecstasy and frenzy to mortals, and they would disintegrate into vapor), Breaking the Fourth Wall (Is aware of the real world and can "see" us, warped the show's intro into featuring him). The following abilities can only be used if Bill tricks his target into making a deal with him: Soul Removal and Possession. Mathematics Manipulation & Quantum Manipulation (by technicalities, Bill is made up by mathematical probability from existing in a state of quantum uncertainty based on the amount of information found about him since he is implied to contain numbers inside his body & geometrically-shaped as well mathematics Form), Resistance to Madness Manipulation/Mind Manipulation (One peek into the Nightmare Realm drove Fiddleford insane. Bill lived there for 1 trillion years. Bill called Fiddleford's mind weak despite having the mental protecting metal plate), and Time Manipulation (Bill Cipher is implied to have transcended this concept ), Death Manipulation
Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient (Is said to know "lots of things", such as the truth of many well-known conspiracies as well as future events, like the destruction of Gideon-bot and that Gideon Gleeful would go to prison. Bill is also able to look through the eye of anything that is made in his image, allowing him to know what occurs even when he isn't around. Is aware and can view infinite versions of himself in infinite timelines and knows of the past and future. Him not seeing his own defeat is likely PIS)
Weaknesses: Bound inside of Gravity Falls due to it being an incredibly powerful magnet for weirdness. His Regenerationn seems to take a bit of time as he complained about how long it took him to regenerate his eye back but is likely PIS. If he enters another being's mind, certain methods can be used to erase him. However, as hinted by clues such as a hidden incantation Bill spoke in reverse, he can eventually return from being erased {In short, barring PIS, it is mostly existence erasure}
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Master Hand's votes should be removed for lack of proper reasoning particularly @Edwardtruong2006, @Paulo.junior.969, and those who voted for these reasonings. It seems that their arguments stem from Bill's past profile. Now, Bill has been updated so these arguments are flawed.
Bill got more haxes and abilities as such as law manipulation, precognition, mind hax, transmute hax, death hax, and other to win as Master Hand got no resistances.
Master Hand got no way to bypassed Bill's regen.
Also 500 baseline Low-2C are unquantifiably weaker than At Least Low-2C and Master Hand's abilities are not hax for tier 2 being. For @Paulo.junior.969's reasonings, both character are above baseline and have the same tier so there is no oneshot.
This fight looks like a decisive win for Bill or maybe a stomp.
Bill got more haxes and abilities as such as law manipulation, precognition, mind hax, transmute hax, death hax, and other to win as Master Hand got no resistances.
Master Hand got no way to bypassed Bill's regen.
Also 500 baseline Low-2C are unquantifiably weaker than At Least Low-2C and Master Hand's abilities are not hax for tier 2 being. For @Paulo.junior.969's reasonings, both character are above baseline and have the same tier so there is no oneshot.
This fight looks like a decisive win for Bill or maybe a stomp.
