(Mega Man upgrade and downgrade) - I hid myself while i upgrade myself

[Crimson_cordx]

I would just ask Migue79 who has overall better knowledge of feats in the verse to compile more definitive proof and a more cohesive thread about inf speed.

IMO Profiles deserve some more updates about their abilities/hax and mechanics because they are barebones compared to how actually useful they are in games.

As far as I know, migue79 left the vsbw
This aged badly

 

[Crimson_cordx]

and hes wrong, he was just saved, so you cant assume his recovery function at that level, theres not a single showing of a normal charatcer broken down to a torso in the x series that has repaired without help.

So a “possibly” term would work?

Wily wants Zero to prove himself as the best robot and to that hes ultimately better then Dr Lights ultimate creation X. Thats why Isoc gets so happy if Zero defeats High Max instead of X, and when he leaves Isocs body he cheers on Zero as the strongest robot. Its also the explanation since hes the ONLY one in the verse that knows him from the inside out, a feat not even dr light is capable of, and can easily stop and capture Zero at any time.

Alright, i guess

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Bump

 

[Migue79]

OTHER CRT. HERE YOU ARE.

Okay... Just like before, gonna give my thoughts on this CRT per block okokokok. LET US BEGIN!

Spoiler: Immeasurable and Infinite Speed

Basically, in X-Dive, it's saying that errors programs can travel through time using their teleport. This in itself is just time travel for the teleport, but the thing is that the characters can constantly react to or keep up with the teleport.

By this wiki rules, a character gets Immeasurable Speed if they "can go in linear time through sheer speed" so everyone who can keep up with the teleport falls into this category.

This'd 100% includes mmx and onwards, since they upscales the robot masters that can keep up with the teleport by sheer speed.

Right... Teleporter scaling.

I'll just nip this in the bud right now, but I have a CRT coming right up which is to neaten up certain justifications, get some calcs on the pages, fix up some keys, remove other things, introduce some scaling chains I managed to figure out before my break, etc. And...

Well... one of the things I'm gonna be removing is teleporter scaling. I know I pushed these justifications many moons ago, but I just think they're weak nowadays sadly. So, by nature of this, I'm just gonna have to disagree with immeasurable scaling here by that virtue.

This one is quite simple: The Hunters can easily escape the singularity of Gravity Antonion's black hole with sheer speed.

This Wiki stated that escaping the singularity of a black hole is an infinite speed feat, and there's not much to elaborate on, we already already accepts this black hole as real, and we even use its singularity as an argument for resistance.

Everyone from X8 and onwards scales to this, since I don't know how to make Chill Penguin receive it.

X moving inside a black hole singularity isn’t “resistance”

resistance only allows a 3D character survives inside the singularity—movement within it is purely speed-based. Even if the character had resistance, they wouldn’t be able to escape the singularity if their speed is finite

It’s an infinite speed feat, not durability or resistance.

I most certainly disagree with this and honestly think this is stretching pretty hard. It's funny you say it's not a resistance feat when your video legit has X dash into the singularity of Squeeze Bomb and is fine. By the wiki's standards (and I had this confirmed by other staff superiors), if the black hole is legit (it currently is accepted as one) and a character does that, it's just a resistance. Plain and simple. And under the circumstance that it's resistance, no speed scaling can be gained (also confirmed by other staff superiors).

Like, it's just simply not portrayed as an infinite speed feat - sure, sounds like a lame rebuttal when it can be applied to some fictional feats like black hole creation feats and I agree to an extent, but it goes way over the limit when the upgrade gap proposed is LITERALLY INFINITE out of something like this. It's just not an infinite speed feat, sorry.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, I just really didn't like reading this argument, and I do like reading MM arguments even if I disagree with some of them.

Spoiler: Intelligence Stuff

X managed to crack/decode the security system of the trans server, something Ciel couldn't do until that moment. However Ciel has created a perfect copy of X, made specifically to replace the original and rule Neo Arcadia. With X being considered Dr. Light's magnum opus and other Genius-level scientists can barely analyze his body. X is stated to be the best Hunter, which puts him above Zero in Combat-Wise.

Ok, so... As previously discussed in your CRT, you did bring up a good point about how the Resistance had Hacker Cyber-Elves and yet they couldn't do it. Though do remember that X doesn't die when using his Cyber-Elf abilities like Hacker Elves do so that doesn't entirely rule out the possibility that his data/info manip is just better. It could be one or the other, or it could be both since it's not elaborated how X did it. So for Supergenius for X by upscaling Ciel (which Ciel should absolutely be by being smarter -by solving Neo Arcadia's energy crisis with her C.I.E.L System- than Dr. Weil who... well, created the reality-warping Omega), I say a likely or possibly rating is in order for Z-Era X.

At the very least though, for both eras? X should be Extraordinary Genius for the same logic Zero is Extraordinary Genius but vice-versa: he can literally use Zero's arm parts to upgrade his own Buster (without a capsule to do any installing for him even) and can even properly wield and understand Zero's power, both things that Gate explicitly couldn't do. So that's easy Extraordinary Genius intelligence for X.

Axl is a bit hard to say, but a possibly Extraordinary Genius might suffice? I'll need more time.

Gate should just be Extraordinary Genius. His creations need direct Tier 2 and above feats for him to directly qualify for Supergenius (at least last I heard). And he kinda needed Isoc's help for analysing Zero's DNA so he's not on Dr. Wily's level of smarts.

Spoiler: Abilities and resistances

• Immortality Type 1 (Reploids can live for centuries without any problem)

• Immortality Type 2 (Combat Applicable: Reploids can survive and fight even after being severely damaged)

• Immortality Type 3 & Regeneration (Mid: Reploids are able to regenerate even after having half of their body destroyed thanks to their recovery function)

• Time Travel (They can travel through time using teleport)

• Invulnerability (When damaged, Reploids can become briefly invulnerable)

• Non-Physical Interaction (Data, Energy, Spiritual & Memories: Reploids can constantly interact with and destroy Data, Souls & Virus)

• Resistance to Matter Manipulation (Sub-Atomic: Reploids can survive in Gravity Antonion's black hole, with black holes being capable of destroying matter at a sub-atomic level)

Immortalities Types 1 & 2 only, Invulnerability, NPI and Matter Manip resistances check out, but Time Travel via teleporters is probs just X-DiVE exclusive tbh. Also, Type 3 Immortality isn't legit since Zero was explicitly brought back. Invulnerability I have no deep thoughts on: could be gameplay mechanics, could be not as Ami did post parts dedicated to dealing with that.

I need to brush up on ZX scaling more before I can comment on this. But I'll let @XSOULOFCINDERX take over for that. I'll read what happened tomorrow...

 

[Crimson_cordx]

I most certainly disagree with this and honestly think this is stretching pretty hard. It's funny you say it's not a resistance feat when your video legit has X dash into the singularity of Squeeze Bomb and is fine. By the wiki's standards (and I had this confirmed by other staff superiors), if the black hole is legit (it currently is accepted as one) and a character does that, it's just a resistance. Plain and simple. And under the circumstance that it's resistance, no speed scaling can be gained (also confirmed by other staff superiors).

Like, it's just simply not portrayed as an infinite speed feat - sure, sounds like a lame rebuttal when it can be applied to some fictional feats like black hole creation feats and I agree to an extent, but it goes way over the limit when the upgrade gap proposed is LITERALLY INFINITE out of something like this. It's just not an infinite speed feat, sorry.

He’s still physically moving inside the singularity while dashing (since he can move in the singularity just fine w/o even dashing). Resistance just lets him survive in it, like I already explained.
Feels like the 4th time I’ve had to explain the exact same thing, but eh, if staff disagree, nothing I can do about it

Axl is a bit hard to say, but a possibly Extraordinary Genius might suffice? I'll need more time.

“Extraordinary Genius” comes solely from being comparable to X and Zero in Combat-Wise.
Without that, he’s Genius at best.

Gate should just be Extraordinary Genius. His creations need direct Tier 2 and above feats for him to directly qualify for Supergenius (at least last I heard). And he kinda needed Isoc's help for analysing Zero's DNA so he's not on Dr. Wily's level of smarts.

Gate gets Supergenius via upscaling from Ra Moon, since his creations must be very above him

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Gate should just be Extraordinary Genius. His creations need direct Tier 2 and above feats for him to directly qualify for Supergenius (at least last I heard)

Well, the Nightmare which is a creation of Gate can warp reality and create alternate spaces which last time i recall are Cyberspaces so

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Here's a whole bunch of scans that show the ZX Biometals have all the power and weapon data of the original character's they're based. On top of that, we literally fight Omega who is stronger than Zero in ZX and when we get his Biometal, which is only available upon defeating Omega, it makes Aile stronger as well as being confirmed to be the most powerful Biometal in existence.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Here's a whole bunch of scans that show the ZX Biometals have all the power and weapon data of the original character's they're based. On top of that, we literally fight Omega who is stronger than Zero in ZX and when we get his Biometal, which is only available upon defeating Omega, it makes Aile stronger as well as being confirmed to be the most powerful Biometal in existence.

Ignoring that fight’s sketchy canon status, Omega being stronger than Zero alone can't be true bc of this

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ignoring that fight’s sketchy canon status,

It's literally confirmed to happen in the guidebook and Flammole outright senses Omega in the game and was searching for him before Aile showed up, he says it to you in his boss fight.

Omega being stronger than Zero alone can't be true bc of this

Omega IS LITERALLY STRONGER THAN OMEGA IN THAT FIGHT. Like you can literally get one-shot by Ranbu if Omega lands it on you.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

It's literally confirmed to happen in the guidebook and Flammole outright senses Omega in the game and was searching for him before Aile showed up, he says it to you in his boss fight.

The guide only talks about the Biometal gameplay-wise, not lore-wise.
And Flammole’s statement? He could’ve been talking about literally any other Biometal. Area K and Area N are far apart, and you need 6 codes just to access Area M first.
Assuming he meant Model O is straight-up headcanon

Omega IS LITERALLY STRONGER THAN OMEGA IN THAT FIGHT. Like you can literally get one-shot by Ranbu if Omega lands it on you.

Another reason why Aile & Vent < Z-era Zero: one ragdolled a bloodlusted Omega, while the other get ragdolled by a rusty one

 

[Migue79]

And Flammole’s statement? He could’ve been talking about literally any other Biometal. Area K and Area N are far apart, and you need 6 codes just to access Area M first.
Assuming he meant Model O is straight-up headcanon

Not really. The ZX Tunes confirm it's Omega lol

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Another reason why Aile & Vent < Z-era Zero: one ragdolled a bloodlusted Omega, while the other get ragdolled by a rusty one

On top of what Migue just said, this is straight up headcanon and never implied anywhere, especially since X-DIVE (which we accept as canon) showcases that Omega did not get weaker Post-Z Era. If anything it implies he got stronger.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

On top of what Migue just said, this is straight up headcanon and never implied anywhere, especially since X-DIVE (which we accept as canon) showcases that Omega did not get weaker Post-Z Era. If anything it implies he got stronger.

Omega spent 200+ yrs doing absolutely nothing in Area N, there’s no reason for him to get stronger lmao. He doesn’t even have Reactive Evolution or smth like that.
And what X-Dive statement confirms that exactly? Omega there is literally the Z3 one, not some “post-Z3” version lol

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Not really. The ZX Tunes confirm it's Omega lol

Oh wow, didn’t know that

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Omega spent 200+ yrs doing absolutely nothing in Area N, there’s no reason for him to get stronger lmao. He doesn’t even have Reactive Evolution or smth like that.
And what X-Dive statement confirms that exactly? Omega there is literally the Z3 one, not some “post-Z3” version lol

Hey, you know Omega literally has Accelerated Development on his profile right? It's literally right ******* there in his True Form P&A section. So yes, he quite literally can get stronger doing absolutely jack shit since Zero literally did it several times in the X-Era when he would get put out of commission for awhile and then come back stronger in the next game.

 

[AguilaR202]

Narratively speaking though, Omega should be weaker overall as it misses 2 previous forms which Zero defeated and doesn’t have the dark elf amping it.

Even its non amped 1st form stomped two guardians, Harpuia and Zero being the only ones cleanly strong enough to fight it and threaten it.

After absorbing the Dark elf and turning golden it stomped Harpuia so it’s a hard showing of it becoming stronger as a result of having the Dark Elf.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Narratively speaking though, Omega should be weaker overall as it misses 2 previous forms which Zero defeated and doesn’t have the dark elf amping it.

Even its non amped 1st form stomped two guardians, Harpuia and Zero being the only ones cleanly strong enough to fight it and threaten it.

After absorbing the Dark elf and turning golden it stomped Harpuia so it’s a hard showing of it becoming stronger as a result of having the Dark Elf.

Those armors are explicitly for restricting Omega's true power, not for making him stronger.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Hey, you know Omega literally has Accelerated Development on his profile right? It's literally right ******* there in his True Form P&A section. So yes, he quite literally can get stronger doing absolutely jack shit since Zero literally did it several times in the X-Era when he would get put out of commission for awhile and then come back stronger in the next game.

Accelerated Development is getting stronger through fights, not by afk’ing for 200+ yrs.
And when did Zero ever do that?
X1-X6/X7-X8 chars all scale to each other with no jump remotely on that lvl.
Zero’s Saga is mostly him recovering memories/experience, not magically getting massively stronger outta nowhere.

 

[AguilaR202]

Those armors are explicitly for restricting Omega's true power, not for making him stronger.

Yeah but they still serve as buffer for the fight leading up to the final confrontation, Zero had to do the generic boss rush and defeat 2 forms of omega before facing the final one that was amped, meaning his general showings vs Omega are objectively superior at face value, unless we assume passive AD which isn’t implied anywhere for even OG body zero because the two times he got put out of commission he was implied to be put back together by Totally not Wily.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Accelerated Development is getting stronger through fights, not by afk’ing for 200+ yrs.
And when did Zero ever do that?
X1-X6/X7-X8 chars all scale to each other with no jump remotely on that lvl.
Zero’s Saga is mostly him recovering memories/experience, not magically getting massively stronger outta nowhere.

He literally got blown apart in X5 and then comes back in X6 much stronger since he's comparable to a stronger X who can harm High Max despite getting no-sold at the start of X6, so that's one example of Zero getting stronger after a near death experience and no training. The same Zero who Omega has a vastly upgraded version of's body.

 

[Migue79]

Well, the Nightmare which is a creation of Gate can warp reality and create alternate spaces which last time i recall are Cyberspaces so

We do accept Cyberspaces as Universal here... I guess if the Alternate Pathways are Cyberspaces then I guess that's Supergenius since the Nightmare just does that. But idr such a statement existing. Would be neat to look into ig

Narratively speaking though, Omega should be weaker overall as it misses 2 previous forms which Zero defeated and doesn’t have the dark elf amping it.

Even its non amped 1st form stomped two guardians, Harpuia and Zero being the only ones cleanly strong enough to fight it and threaten it.

After absorbing the Dark elf and turning golden it stomped Harpuia so it’s a hard showing of it becoming stronger as a result of having the Dark Elf.

Well, not really. The point of Omega's forms is to restrain his infinite unsystematic power (from unleashing all of Zero's potential forcefully). So Omega, even without armors and Dark Elf amp would be stronger than Zero based on that premise alone.

 

[TheHedgememe]

In terms of Omega and Zero scaling, what do you all make of this statement from ViA in DiVE in regards to Zero's strength?

 

[TyranoDoom30]

He literally got blown apart in X5 and then comes back in X6 much stronger since he's comparable to a stronger X who can harm High Max despite getting no-sold at the start of X6

For reference, X and Zero still can't properly harm High Max. At best they can stun him (which is not the same as harming him) and then actually damaging him with a special attack.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

For reference, X and Zero still can't properly harm High Max. At best they can stun him (which is not the same as harming him) and then actually damaging him with a special attack.

That's still infinitely better than being outright no-sold at the start of the game.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

That's still infinitely better than being outright no-sold at the start of the game.

I agree, but the game still leans into there being a gap

 

[Crimson_cordx]

In terms of Omega and Zero scaling, what do you all make of this statement from ViA in DiVE in regards to Zero's strength?

Nothing that wasn’t already shoved in ur face in Z3.
The Omega vs. Zero debate deadass gives off “strongest Buu” vibes. Zero’s Kid Buu, Omega’s Buuhan lol

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Immeasurable speed

I don't see any valid example of characters actually "reacting" to or keeping up with the teleportation itself.

First this, where the enemy appears on the screen "VS" screen and then lands together with Megaman. I'm not sure what to make of this one, is it supposed to be that he followed the player to some other point in time? That is also just time travel, not immeasurable speed.

Keep in mind that when its only travel speed that is "immeasurable", it's only indexed as Time Travel. You need at least one combat applicalable rating for it to be in the speed section.

This is also practically the same as the first example, so I'm not really seeing Immeasurable speed anywhere.

To begin with, this statement just says they time travel in general. It does not mention them using it in combat, nor does it even call this ability "Teleportation".

Infinite Speed

I have played Megaman X8 (this brings back memories, this stage was so annoying...), and I'm fairly certain this doesn't qualif for a proper black hole. If it was, the entire stage would be getting sucked in. X would also be sucked in towards the singularity if it was a proper blackhole. But playing the game, you see that he stays put if you don't move the character even if Antonion shoots a black hole near him. In fact, this is shown in the very first second of the clip, where X is seen just standing there shooting despite being inside the black hole.

I'm also certain that if X or Zero shoot Light-based attacks (such as the one they got from Mantis), they aren't effected by the black hole even if you manage to quick-shoot them by switching quickly.
So this doesn't qualify

The linked page saying "it's accepted" just says it has been accepted because it's on X's profile.

I doubted staff would have actually accepted this if it was under the current standards, so I checked. It seems like it was added back in 2018

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mega_Man_X?diff=prev&oldid=2538898

No content revision was linked to see where it was discussed, or if was just added without discussion. And given the differenc between the standards for Black Holes between the present day and 8~9 years back is a lot, I think this ability indexed in their profile heavily needs revision and most likely a removal

Intelligence

The only possible way you could qualify for Supergenius is upscaling from a valid supergenius rating from Ra Moon. But it seems said rating has also been there since 2018, when our standards were generally far less strict.

Reading their ratings, I don't really see Supergenius in any way. There are no feats of any of them processing infinite information in a finite time.

Keep in mind this is required by our current standards:

Simply defying the laws of physics with futuristic technology is very common for Extraordinary Geniuses as well. Meaning that there should be an enormous amount of versatility combined with an infinite scale of power and preferably range.
However, take note that, in order to qualify, characters genuinely have to invent things on their own, not mostly rely on already extremely futuristic settings.
Other ways to qualify through non-technological means are to be able to process and understand literally infinite amounts of information, or to design entire realities of infinite complexity through skill and comprehension, rather than just wishing them into existence, and feats of a comparable scale may also reach a Supergenius rating.

None of the feats you or the profiles describe come even close to this.

As for Extraordinary Genius, I assume you are referring to Combat Intelligence, however, for that:

Unlike general intelligence, combat skill is not ranked on a scale with labels like "Genius" or "Supergenius." Due to the many factors involved, a simple rating system would fail to accurately capture a character's combat proficiency. For instance, it wouldn’t make sense to say someone who can learn any real-world martial art by watching it for a minute is necessarily superior to someone who has mastered a single martial art to a superhuman level. These are different types of skill that can’t be easily compared.
Using one-word ratings for combat skill could lead to misunderstandings, as a higher rating wouldn’t always mean that a character is objectively more skilled than someone with a lower rating. To avoid this confusion and better represent a character's abilities, we omit such ratings.
Instead, if a character profile includes a section on combat skill, it should only feature specific feats or statements that demonstrate their proficiency. This approach allows readers to directly compare characters based on their actual achievements.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Intelligence#Combat_Skill

So it should just be listed as feats, not ratings.

Abilities and Resistances

1. That isn't Immortality but Longevity. For Longevity they need a literal endless/infinite/eternal lifespan.
2. Seems fine.
3. This is overtime as Zero repaired himself and had to wait till he was healed.
4. Assuming this is referring to the enemies only, sure.
5. NPI on Data seems fine. Viruses are just another form of Data so listing them separately is redundant. Do we have any proof that those "blue orbs" are Souls?
6. Disagree with this based on the same reasoning as to why it doesn't qualify for a black hole

Downgrade

This seems to be related to chainscaling so I'll leave it so supporters, as I only played Megaman X8 and don't know the scalings of the other versions.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

I have played Megaman X8 (this brings back memories, this stage was so annoying...), and I'm fairly certain this doesn't qualif for a proper black hole

Squeeze Bomb is directly associated with gravity and is explicitely called a localized black hole. It also sucks their projectiles, which are also made from solar energy aka light.

If it was, the entire stage would be getting sucked in. X would also be sucked in towards the singularity if it was a proper blackhole.

A real black hole would suck the entirety of the planet in seconds. Most of fiction ignores that.

 

[TheHedgememe]

5. NPI on Data seems fine. Viruses are just another form of Data so listing them separately is redundant. Do we have any proof that those "blue orbs" are Souls?

Yes. Not only are they directly called "Nightmare Souls" but the Nightmare as a whole is derived from Zero's DNA Data and the Sigma Virus, and the Nightmare Souls even function very similarly to reploids' DNA Data/Souls. The latter simply being a manifestation of DNA Data that's likened to that of a human soul.

They can be used to amp reploids' statistics as Dynamo's collecting the Nightmare Souls for more power because Sigma isn't around to protect him anymore, and in games like X7 and Xtreme 2 DNA Souls/Data are noted by Sigma and Berkana/Gareth to grant reploids power. There's no reason to assume that the Nightmare Souls in X6 are any different (functionally speaking) than most souls (or even other forms of data) in the series up until this point because of what the Nightmare is derived from, and how similarly they both function.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Immeasurable speed

I don't see any valid example of characters actually "reacting" to or keeping up with the teleportation itself.

First this, where the enemy appears on the screen "VS" screen and then lands together with Megaman. I'm not sure what to make of this one, is it supposed to be that he followed the player to some other point in time? That is also just time travel, not immeasurable speed.

From what @Migue79 implied, the teleport scaling’s flawed af, so I’m not even gonna get into that rn. But as of now, the chars still scale to it ig.

Keep in mind that when its only travel speed that is "immeasurable", it's only indexed as Time Travel. You need at least one combat applicalable rating for it to be in the speed section.

Like I already explained, that only gives time travel to the teleportation itself.
But since the chars can keep up w/ teleportation, yea, that’s immeasurable speed

To begin with, this statement just says they time travel in general. It does not mention them using it in combat, nor does it even call this ability "Teleportation".

They literally use teleportation to travel in-game, so yeah, they’re obviously moving through time via teleportation lol

Infinite Speed

I have played Megaman X8 (this brings back memories, this stage was so annoying...), and I'm fairly certain this doesn't qualif for a proper black hole. If it was, the entire stage would be getting sucked in. X would also be sucked in towards the singularity if it was a proper blackhole. But playing the game, you see that he stays put if you don't move the character even if Antonion shoots a black hole near him. In fact, this is shown in the very first second of the clip, where X is seen just standing there shooting despite being inside the black hole.

I'm also certain that if X or Zero shoot Light-based attacks (such as the one they got from Mantis), they aren't effected by the black hole even if you manage to quick-shoot them by switching quickly.
So this doesn't qualify

The linked page saying "it's accepted" just says it has been accepted because it's on X's profile.

I doubted staff would have actually accepted this if it was under the current standards, so I checked. It seems like it was added back in 2018

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mega_Man_X?diff=prev&oldid=2538898

No content revision was linked to see where it was discussed, or if was just added without discussion. And given the differenc between the standards for Black Holes between the present day and 8~9 years back is a lot, I think this ability indexed in their profile heavily needs revision and most likely a removal

Not even gonna answer since @TyranoDoom30 already did, but yea, X’s profile desperately needs a massive revision

Intelligence

The only possible way you could qualify for Supergenius is upscaling from a valid supergenius rating from Ra Moon. But it seems said rating has also been there since 2018, when our standards were generally far less strict.

Reading their ratings, I don't really see Supergenius in any way. There are no feats of any of them processing infinite information in a finite time.

Keep in mind this is required by our current standards:



None of the feats you or the profiles describe come even close to this.

As for Extraordinary Genius, I assume you are referring to Combat Intelligence, however, for that:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Intelligence#Combat_Skill

So it should just be listed as feats, not ratings.

Just read Zero’s intelligence tab bro, X upscales that, Gate and Axl scales equally

Abilities and Resistances

1. That isn't Immortality but Longevity. For Longevity they need a literal endless/infinite/eternal lifespan.

Longevity = slower aging. Reploids straight-up don’t age

3. This is overtime as Zero repaired himself and had to wait till he was healed.

There are plenty of cases like that, like Vile getting his body destroyed over and over just to regen and get folded again.
(Even tho that’d would be Low-High regen arg.)

5. NPI on Data seems fine. Viruses are just another form of Data so listing them separately is redundant. Do we have any proof that those "blue orbs" are Souls?

Yep

 

[Migue79]

Squeeze Bomb is directly associated with gravity and is explicitely called a localized black hole. It also sucks their projectiles, which are also made from solar energy aka light.

There's more to this, but I think I'll save the good qualifiers for my re-calc of Squeeze Bomb because I noticed that the calc itself is also kinda inflated (the event horizon in particular). So... Yeah.

Also, yeah... Ra Moon's intelligence is Supergenius for no good reason. Wow, Ra Moon's profile sucks ass. And it was worse before because of "Manga" keys even though Ra Moon doesn't appear in any mangas mfw

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Also, yeah... Ra Moon's intelligence is Supergenius for no good reason. Wow, Ra Moon's profile sucks ass. And it was worse before because of "Manga" keys even though Ra Moon doesn't appear in any mangas mfw

Ra Moon ain’t the only one, Saturn having Class P instead of Class Y while casually holding its black hole in place also needs a revision

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Bump

 

[Crimson_cordx]

OP updated. Removed Mid Regeneration since the repair function regenerating Zero was vague, replaced w/ a little more solid Low-Godly argument.
Some new NPI are here too

 

[TheHedgememe]

Regeneration (Low-Godly: As long as their souls still exist, Reploids can regenerate their entire bodies even after complete destruction)

Low-Godly, while feasible to me, feels like it needs more explicit justifications like the ending in Challengers from the Future where Rockman Shadow creates an entirely new body for his data to reside in. Vile feels like a minor example in comparison, but he could be a decent supporting case if there's no mention of how he comes back for X8 already.

Omega makes sense and is a great example (though maybe pick a different clip for ZX Omega since that's a meme and not a full gameplay video of the boss fight).

You could also argue for High-Godly via the simple fact that reploids' DNA Souls ARE just their data, just extracted from their bodies and manifested into a soul, where bosses like Cyber Peacock (technically not a reploid, but the Maverick Hunters' Field Guide lumps him in with them anyway) survives being deleted in Cyberspace. And while the Sigma Virus is the primary means of which Sigma resurrects himself, we've seen his data form be destroyed in Xtreme and he still comes back from that.

There's probably more examples of this kinda regen out there but this is what came to mind.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Low-Godly, while feasible to me, feels like it needs more explicit justifications like the ending in Challengers from the Future where Rockman Shadow creates an entirely new body for his data to reside in.

Could be wrong, but that’s Resurrection, not Regen.
Though tbf, that’d be solid Type 4/6 Immortality args.

Vile feels like a minor example in comparison, but he could be a decent supporting case if there's no mention of how he comes back for X8 already.

As far as I know, it doesn’t exist.
Could use Boss Rush as an argument too, but that’d just be redundant

Omega makes sense and is a great example (though maybe pick a different clip for ZX Omega since that's a meme and not a full gameplay video of the boss fight).

Alr, thx

You could also argue for High-Godly via the simple fact that reploids' DNA Souls ARE just their data, just extracted from their bodies and manifested into a soul, where bosses like Cyber Peacock (technically not a reploid, but the Maverick Hunters' Field Guide lumps him in with them anyway) survives being deleted in Cyberspace. And while the Sigma Virus is the primary means of which Sigma resurrects himself, we've seen his data form be destroyed in Xtreme and he still comes back from that.

For that to happen, they’d need to regen their destroyed soul/data — smth literally nobody besides Sigma can do

 

[TheHedgememe]

Could be wrong, but that’s Resurrection, not Regen.
Though tbf, that’d be solid Type 4/6 Immortality args.

His disembodied soul/data creates an entirely new body (AFAIK). Resurrection also can and has co-existed with regeneration as per the page. Agreed on Type 4/6 too, since reploids' DNA Souls are shown to be flying back into their bodies after the Erasure Incident is resolved.

Could use Boss Rush as an argument too, but that’d just be redundant

For that to happen, they’d need to regen their destroyed soul/data — smth literally nobody besides Sigma can do

We could, yeah. That's the crux of the whole argument with Cyber Peacock, actually.

Recall how Cyber Peacock lives exclusively in Cyberspace as a security program, meaning he's exclusively composed of data. After X/Zero fight him, he dies and his data is destroyed (Maverick Hunter's Field Guide says he was deleted). He comes back to fight X and Zero later on when they're on the Final Weapon, and in a physical body no less (Maverick Hunter's Field Guide mentions this too). Their data being destroyed actually isn't the issue with any sort of arguing for this.

It's honestly just a matter of how the Mavericks return for the Boss Rush, more than anything (which I'm also unsure of any sort of canonical answer).

 

[TyranoDoom30]

There's also the question of Spare Bodies, where even in Classic they regenerate their/get new bodies after they lose a life. Even in X1 if you lose to Storm Eagle and come back his airship is still destroyed

 

[TyranoDoom30]

It's honestly just a matter of how the Mavericks return for the Boss Rush, more than anything (which I'm also unsure of any sort of canonical answer).

Also regarding this, the only time it is explained how they come back is in MHX, where it's Sigma who revived them. Every other instance of a boss rush is unexplained, so they could've come back on their own.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

His disembodied soul/data creates an entirely new body (AFAIK). Resurrection also can and has co-existed with regeneration as per the page.

Then Classic cast could work w/a “Low-Godly over time” regen

Agreed on Type 4/6 too, since reploids' DNA Souls are shown to be flying back into their bodies after the Erasure Incident is resolved.

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We could, yeah. That's the crux of the whole argument with Cyber Peacock, actually.

Recall how Cyber Peacock lives exclusively in Cyberspace as a security program, meaning he's exclusively composed of data. After X/Zero fight him, he dies and his data is destroyed (Maverick Hunter's Field Guide says he was deleted). He comes back to fight X and Zero later on when they're on the Final Weapon, and in a physical body no less (Maverick Hunter's Field Guide mentions this too). Their data being destroyed actually isn't the issue with any sort of arguing for this.

Uh, so that’s a solid Mid-Godly argument for the entire verse, since Data still hasn’t been accepted as Info 2 here (massive wasted potential btw).
And speaking of Cyber Peacock, wouldn’t physically affecting/modifying Cyberspace give him 3-B/L2-C range or Multi-Galactic or Immeasurable LS?

It's honestly just a matter of how the Mavericks return for the Boss Rush, more than anything (which I'm also unsure of any sort of canonical answer).

Sigma resurrects them