(Mega Man X / Mega Man Zero) - World's Smallest CRT (Minor Abilities/Resistances)

[TheHedgememe]

Hello! Just coming here to make a bit of a minor CRT that aims to add some abilities to profiles before I get to my next big project for this verse, which I've finally started as of tonight. Yippee! Time to celebrate!

Layered resistance to Information Analysis (1 Layer):
Who gets this: X, Zero, Omega

Gate, despite creating reploids that are unanalyzable in an effort to make reploids comparable to X and Zero, still couldn't fully analyze Zero's DNA Data even after using it to create High Max and the Nightmare (almost Christmas means it wasn't Christmas). This pretty blatantly means that X and Zero are even more unanalyzable than Gate's creations, and the both of them should get this resistance considering X and Zero are both Gate's end goal for his creations and considered mysteries by the world at large. Omega gets this largely because he possesses Zero's original body.

Layered info analysis resistances for the cast, based on Gate not fully analyzing Zero's DNA Data, is dubious.

However, Zero can get an EX-Skill from Copy X Mk.II in Zero 3, in which Copy X is a perfect copy of X made specifically to replace the original after sealing himself away with the Dark Elf. Meaning that Zero Era Zero's info analysis would be layered.

Zero's Limited Divination:
In X7, Zero gets a dream of X turning evil and chanting "eliminate the Mavericks" repeatedly. Paired with Zero's dialogue before the fight against Snipe Anteator, Anteator peers into Zero's data and mentions a vision he saw, referring to "blue - the lies that have infested the Earth, and red - sealed away and destroyed forever" (slightly different in the JP script, minus "forever," but the idea is the same), it's obvious that this is a direct reference and foreshadowing to the events of the first Mega Man Zero game, in which Neo Arcadia, led by Copy X, subjugates and executes reploids that they falsely label as Maverick during an energy crisis which Ciel is actively working to stop.

Additionally, Zero's prior dreams of Wily during X4 are described by him as being "unknown data," which further corroborates the idea of his dream in X7 correlating with the vision Anteator saw. Obviously this isn't combat-applicable, since Zero himself doesn't ever actively prepare for the events of Copy X's rule over Neo Arcadia during the X series, but I figured I'd drop this in here anyways for the sake of documentation.

(And frankly, I had another resistance initially planned for this CRT which I decided to move to my next project. You'll see why I did later, but I wanted this CRT to at least be a little interesting after I omitted it. This "baby" CRT itself was planned for... About a few weeks, on-and-off, or so? Anyway the ability directly beneath this is my other means of compensation for the delay.)

X's Additional Means of Sealing (Not Crystal Hunter):
X sealed the Dark/Mother Elf within himself using his anti-virus countermeasures. While the sheer force of the Dark Elf entering him did send his soul (also his data) out of his body, X did successfully seal the Dark Elf away. Since these were the same anti-virus countermeasures that Dr. Light designed him with, X should also theoretically be able to access this ability during the X series.

Additional Zero Space Scaling Justification:
The Zero Virus, stated by Alia, has the same readings as Zero. She also specifically denotes the Zero Virus' power when stating their similarities, meaning that the Sigma Virus amped Zero during X5 (not just Awakened Zero anymore) should scale to the Zero Virus (which is well-established to have merged Zero Space with reality). It's a very nice supporting statement for the Tier 2 X5 shenanigans and perhaps the most blatant statement I've seen (especially since it's from X5 itself). This one may or may not have needed a spot on here but considering Omega and the Dark Elf have the same energy signature/levels, I think there's a level of consistency to the idea of these characters being physically relative to data-based entities.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Agree

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Agreed with everything

 

[TheHedgememe]

bump

 

[AlloyAmi]

this is fine, you can also bring up how dr. light wasn't able to make an armor for zero in x5 and only make a minor enhancement

 

[TheHedgememe]

this is fine, you can also bring up how dr. light wasn't able to make an armor for zero in x5 and only make a minor enhancement

Would this be for the info analysis resistances?

Also do we just need 2 staff votes again like last time?

 

[AlloyAmi]

Would this be for the info analysis resistances?

Also do we just need 2 staff votes again like last time?

double yes

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[TheHedgememe]

bump once more

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

Agree

 

[TheHedgememe]

Bump once more

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Uh, about that info analysis resistance, Zero still manages to scan Copy X’s DNA program and grab his EX Skill, even tho he’s, like, not even supposed to be analyzable since he's X perfect copy. So give Z Era Zero Information Analysis resistance negation or something like that

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Uh, about that info analysis resistance, Zero still manages to scan Copy X’s DNA program and grab his EX Skill, even tho he’s, like, not even supposed to be analyzable since he's X perfect copy. So give Z Era Zero Information Analysis resistance negation or something like that

Zero clearly is just him

 

[LaserPrecision]

It would be layered information analysis. Not resistance negation unless there's a special mechanism that would dictate otherwise.

That said, I'm unsure of layered resistance, because as noted, it wasn't fully resisted. He was still able to analyze part of the data:

But... It couldn't match the original after all. I couldn't analyze it completely

Layered resistance would entail he couldn't decrypt the data at all. I'd chalk it more up to just being barely out of his reach to decrypt as opposed to anything layered but I could be wrong.

Honenstly when it comes to computer analysis like this, it's sort of weird to even call it layered because all it is is more and more complex and elaborate programming and decryption and hacking. So it's sort of like having layered resistance to fire imo which also makes no sense, but at the same time I do get it. It's kind of in a weird place that blurs the lines. But it would be like giving irl humans hundreds of layers of information analysis and analysis resistance for being able to create data that can't be decrypted and then finding ways to decrypt it. But obviously that won't matter if a vastly more advanced species tried hacking and analyzing our stuff even if they don't have "layers".

So at worst I'm disagree, at best I'm neutral/unsure cuz I dunno fully how this should be treated.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Zero clearly is just him

bro's is the best 4-B char in ts wiki

 

[TyranoDoom30]

bro's is the best 4-B char in ts wiki

*2-C

 

[TyranoDoom30]

That said, I'm unsure of layered resistance, because as noted, it wasn't fully resisted. He was still able to analyze part of the data:

Nope. He only used its power to create his Reploids, but he still couldn't analyze it. Not fully ≠ Fully

I wanted to keep silence on this. But I will reveal the secret to you. To be honest, I didn't get here on my ability alone... I got something. It was a blessing. Guess what I got? I thought it was junk at first. ... It was a piece of your body. Zero. I obtained your DNA data! It couldn't be analyzed! I tried using the latest technology.

As seen here, it couldn't be analyzed not because it was too complex, but because it's just that, unanalyzable. Also, it's important to note he worked with Isoc to do this, who is heavily, heavily implied to be Wily, literally the only person who can actually grasp the full data and body of Zero

 

[LaserPrecision]

Nope. He only used its power to create his Reploids, but he still couldn't analyze it. Not fully ≠ Fully

He explicitly states in the very next line he couldn't fully analyze it. That means he analyzed parts of it.

As seen here, it couldn't be analyzed not because it was too complex, but because it's just that, unanalyzable. Also, it's important to note he worked with Isoc to do this, who is heavily, heavily implied to be Wily, literally the only person who can actually grasp the full data and body of Zero

"it just can't" doesn't make much sense when the context is his dna and data. Both of which are something that would've had to be programmed, written, and encrypted by Wily. Are we told the data has a esoteric magic property that makes it unable to be analyzed or is that just an assumption?

 

[TyranoDoom30]

"it just can't" doesn't make much sense when the context is his dna and data. Both of which are something that would've had to be programmed, written, and encrypted by Wily

This is the same guy who has made planet sized fortresses with planet busting lasers capable of warping space-time, time travel machines, machines capable of computing infinite energy, rebuilding a horde of robots including turning a simple clown robot into a deadly robot which can give Mega Man trouble and remodeling a robot capable of creating dimensions, making a machine which can make a perfect replica of you but 2x times stronger that knows everything about you + has abilities you don't even have yet, etc, etc.

Wily is just that good. Futhermore, Gate can also make unanalyzable Reploids, it doesn't make them analyzable just because someone made them.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

*2-C

It's a joke and where's the Tier 1 args for Zero!?

 

[LaserPrecision]

This is the same guy who has made planet sized fortresses with planet busting lasers capable of warping space-time, time travel machines, machines capable of computing infinite energy, rebuilding a horde of robots including turning a simple clown robot into a deadly robot which can give Mega Man trouble and remodeling a robot capable of creating dimensions, making a machine which can make a perfect replica of you but 2x times stronger that knows everything about you + has abilities you don't even have yet, etc, etc.

Wily is just that good. Futhermore, Gate can also make unanalyzable Reploids, it doesn't make them analyzable just because someone made them.

That doesn't really address the point I was making tho. I'm aware of how advanced the tech is in Mega Man. But that's not what I was getting at.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

That doesn't really address the point I was making tho. I'm aware of how advanced the tech is in Mega Man. But that's not what I was getting at.

I understand your concerns, but it's important to remind you that Wily is basically one of the most OP and smartest characters in the series, as proved by the sheer fact he exists as one with the Maverick Virus up to the start of Z-Era events. Gate needing Isoc to decode his data is a sheer testament of that. It would just simply mean Wily has 2 layers of info analysis

 

[LaserPrecision]

I understand your concerns, but it's important to remind you that Wily is basically one of the most OP and smartest characters in the series, as proved by the sheer fact he exists as one with the Maverick Virus up to the start of Z-Era events. Gate needing Isoc to decode his data is a sheer testament of that. It would just simply mean Wily has 2 layers of info analysis

I still don't think it should be a layer given it was partially analyzed tho

 

[TheHedgememe]

Honenstly when it comes to computer analysis like this, it's sort of weird to even call it layered because all it is is more and more complex and elaborate programming and decryption and hacking. So it's sort of like having layered resistance to fire imo which also makes no sense, but at the same time I do get it. It's kind of in a weird place that blurs the lines. But it would be like giving irl humans hundreds of layers of information analysis and analysis resistance for being able to create data that can't be decrypted and then finding ways to decrypt it. But obviously that won't matter if a vastly more advanced species tried hacking and analyzing our stuff even if they don't have "layers".

"it just can't" doesn't make much sense when the context is his dna and data. Both of which are something that would've had to be programmed, written, and encrypted by Wily. Are we told the data has a esoteric magic property that makes it unable to be analyzed or is that just an assumption?

Good thing that data in Mega Man (especially in X and beyond) is not just standard computer programming and is indeed a bullshit esoteric version of it that determines aspects of reality, such as the physical characteristics of reploids, their personality and consciousness, and even their powers and abilities—in other words, Info Type 2. It's precisely why the Cyberspaces/Cyberworlds in the series are actually accepted to be universes on this wiki in the first place. It's also worth noting that viruses like Sigma also flat out can't have their data analyzed, so there's an actual precedent to the idea that several of these characters are actually just, literally speaking, unable to have their information analyzed by conventional means.

I still don't think it should be a layer given it was partially analyzed tho

If I did a math assignment for a college course and only did the problems I thought I could solve and skipped the ones I couldn't, does that mean I completed the assignment? The same thing should apply here. Sure, Gate analyzed part of Zero's data, but what about the other parts of Zero's DNA in that sample Gate got his hands on that didn't get (or rather, weren't able to be) analyzed? Don't forget X and Zero's explicit superiority to all of Gate's creations as well, since his obsession with creating more reploids like them were his end goal and he still obviously fell short of it.

I understand your concerns, but it's important to remind you that Wily is basically one of the most OP and smartest characters in the series, as proved by the sheer fact he exists as one with the Maverick Virus up to the start of Z-Era events. Gate needing Isoc to decode his data is a sheer testament of that. It would just simply mean Wily has 2 layers of info analysis

Isoc's prescence (who's heavily implied to be Wily himself given his unusual interest in Zero, and believe me? Serges in X2 and Sigma's "partner" in X5 give even more credence to this idea of Wily's permanence beyond the Classic era) and outright assistance with Gate's creation of the Nightmare (which is derived from Zero's DNA Data and is designed with the express purpose to control reploids) also supplements the points Tyrano made earlier.

Uh, about that info analysis resistance, Zero still manages to scan Copy X’s DNA program and grab his EX Skill, even tho he’s, like, not even supposed to be analyzable since he's X perfect copy. So give Z Era Zero Information Analysis resistance negation or something like that

This should work just fine. Logic's sound. Though, as already stated, it'd just be another layer.

It's a joke and where's the Tier 1 args for Zero!?

You'll have to wait a bit before ANY Tier 1 arguments drop on this forum.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Good thing that data in Mega Man (especially in X and beyond) is not just standard computer programming and is indeed a bullshit esoteric version of it that determines aspects of reality, such as the physical characteristics of reploids, their personality and consciousness, and even their powers and abilities—in other words, Info Type 2.

I'm aware the information itself is abstract. That's not what I was saying though. The data itself is esoteric, but from my memory they can still run all of this through computers to analyze data the same way you would normal data. I'm referring to how it's processed and by what method it is unreadable. I won't be too much of a stickler about it, but data makes this a more confusing topic for me compared to if it were something like normal energy or life force, etc.

It's precisely why the Cyberspaces/Cyberworlds in the series are actually accepted to be universes on this wiki in the first place. It's also worth noting viruses like Sigma also flat out can't have their data analyzed, so there's an actual precedent to the idea that several of these characters are actually just, literally speaking, unable to have their information analyzed by conventional means.

The scene you linked explicitly states he can be analyzed and seen. It just says he can't be seen or analyzed correctly like ordinary data. Which is important to distinguish. From the wording though I would say that's better for a resistance because it implies that even though they can pick up on the data, it can't be analyzed or processed in the way it is meant to, making it unreadable and undetectable. I'm not sure if this is unique to Sigma though since it's because he's a virus that this is the case.

If I did a math assignment for a college course and only did the problems I thought I could solve and skipped the ones I couldn't, does that mean I completed the assignment?

You would still receive a grade for answering the questions you did, which is better than not doing any work. I don't think that's a very compelling analogy.

The same thing should apply here. Sure, Gate analyzed part of Zero's data, but what about the other parts of Zero's DNA in that sample Gate got his hands on that didn't get (or rather, weren't able to be) analyzed? Don't forget X and Zero's explicit superiority to all of Gate's creations as well, since his obsession with creating more reploids like them were his end goal and he still obviously fell short of it.

I still think giving a full layer for partially failing is weird. It's like giving someone a resistance to fire manipulation for having only their skin vaporized off and not their bones or muscles. If it's a resistance I'd say it should be limited.

 

[TheHedgememe]

I'm aware the information itself is abstract. That's not what I was saying though. The data itself is esoteric, but from my memory they can still run all of this through computers to analyze data the same way you would normal data. I'm referring to how it's processed and by what method it is unreadable. I won't be too much of a stickler about it, but data makes this a more confusing topic for me compared to if it were something like normal energy or life force, etc.

It's very likely that the totality of the verse is composed of data, if the Deep Log and how it functions is anything to go off of. Data's also pretty blatantly got some kind of energy shenanigans going on, given how the Zero Virus' energy was causing Zero Space to merge with reality (the virus also shares a reading with Zero himself) and how Omega and the Dark Elf share the same energy levels and signatures. The fact that energy is basically using computer programming as costume complicates things, but this verse's version of data is also plenty applicable as regular energy. I frankly can't see what's so confusing about it once the initial shock of the verse's form of data being esoteric wears off.

The scene you linked explicitly states he can be analyzed and seen. It just says he can't be seen or analyzed correctly like ordinary data. Which is important to distinguish. From the wording though I would say that's better for a resistance because it implies that even though they can pick up on the data, it can't be analyzed or processed in the way it is meant to, making it unreadable and undetectable. I'm not sure if this is unique to Sigma though since it's because he's a virus that this is the case.

The original Japanese script makes no mention of it being analyzed "correctly," it just says he can't be seen with the eye or read as data. Using the English localized version was a mistake on my end.

You would still receive a grade for answering the questions you did, which is better than not doing any work. I don't think that's a very compelling analogy.

I still think giving a full layer for partially failing is weird. It's like giving someone a resistance to fire manipulation for having only their skin vaporized off and not their bones or muscles. If it's a resistance I'd say it should be limited.

This... Regrettably, is a fair point after some thought. I don't know how I'd go about quantifying this. I imagine any discussion that leads to the argumentation of "is the glass half-full or is the glass half-empty" only ever go around in circles.

 

[TheHedgememe]

bro's is the best 4-B char in ts wiki

also unrelated but the number 4 followed by a dash followed by the letter B in association with this series has induced irreversible psychological damage onto me from how people will still swear up and down on how an outdated calc that lasted for far too long is the verse's limit

 

[Crimson_cordx]

This should work just fine. Logic's sound. Though, as already stated, it'd just be another layer.

Yep, Z Zero would get a 1-layer info analysis

You'll have to wait a bit before ANY Tier 1 arguments drop on this forum.

Dw, Mega Man Dual Override's gonna make Cyberspace a higher dimension, Shingo Izumi told me on IG

 

[Crimson_cordx]

also unrelated but the number 4 followed by a dash followed by the letter B in association with this series has induced irreversible psychological damage onto me from how people will still swear up and down on how an outdated calc that lasted for far too long is the verse's limit

Oh, Powerscaling PTSD?

 

[TheHedgememe]

Oh, Powerscaling PTSD?

I guess, man. The off-site downplay is real.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

I guess, man. The off-site downplay is real.

There’s a Tier 3 calc, idk why it ain’t accepted

 

[TyranoDoom30]

There’s a Tier 3 calc, idk why it ain’t accepted

Idk; off-site and DB people are still living under the 4-B Era because they don't know how Cyberspaces work and never played the games. Additionally, that calc was made before the current Cyberspace lore was actually found out, and therefore the feat of significantly affecting it should be Low 2-C.

Sigma also blows up the Central Computer Stage in X2's ending, which is a Cyberspace, making it the earliest Cyberspace and Tier 2 feat in the series.

 

[TheHedgememe]

Idk; off-site and DB people are still living under the 4-B Era because they don't know how Cyberspaces work and never played the games.

As much as it frustrates me, in their defense, a lot of lore regarding data and how it functions isn't made immediately clear, with some exceptions. Bad localizations don't help either. I've known many people who are into Mega Man who've never even considered the series was multiversal until I brought it up to them. I was one of those people for a long time.

It also doesn't help that a big chunk of the lore that's relevant to the scaling is in soundtracks, audio dramas, and other side materials one wouldn't immediately think to check. The vibes always seemed to be there, though. Zero Space and the way it just merged with reality in X5 and Omega's association with the Zero Era Cyberspace in particular really started to put ideas in my head—though I didn't know how an argument could be made until the Tier 2 upgrades rolled around.

Though, I digress. This isn't related to the main point of the CRT. Worst case, the layered info analysis stuff doesn't pass and I just edit that out.

 

[TheHedgememe]

OP updated. Removed X6 layered info analysis resistance shenanigans. Added argumentation for Z-Era Zero's info analysis as mentioned by @Crimson_cordx.

 

[TheHedgememe]

Bump.

 

[Migue79]

also unrelated but the number 4 followed by a dash followed by the letter B in association with this series has induced irreversible psychological damage onto me from how people will still swear up and down on how an outdated calc that lasted for far too long is the verse's limit

 

[TheHedgememe]

Bump, just to get this smaller CRT back into peoples' consciousness.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Migue79]

In the absolute worst case scenario, I might just take some of your points and blend them into my CRT that I am writing up.