Minecraft Steve Ressurection Removal

[Thunderman101]

Pretty simple CRT

Steve's profile says this:


Resurrection (They can respawn after being killed)

This is the most barebones justification for Resurrection. If we go by this logic then every video game character that can respawn despite having no story mechanics suggesting that it's Canon to the story will have Resurrection. This needs to be removed

If there's more story contacts I'm unaware of. This needs to be added to his profile cuz from how I see it right now it's going to look very confusing to people wanting to get more info out about his profile

Edit:Now, I like it should be changed to conditional immortality type 8

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

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[Lou_change]

I believe it is due to the recovery compass and respawn anchor.

 

[Thunderman101]

I believe it is due to the recovery compass and respawn anchor.

Then that needs to be stayed on his profile. Saying just that he can respawn after being killed is too vague

 

[AyOgUyS]

Then that needs to be stayed on his profile. Saying just that he can respawn after being killed is too vague

I propose this:
Resurrection (Can respawn after death, with respawning being canon in Minecraft due to the existence of items like the Respawn Anchor and Recovery Compass alongside promotional videos featuring Steve respawning)

 

[Mbpoops]

We putting steve in hardcore with this one. Honestly i feel like the bed would be a better justification for ressurection, or at least like type 4 or 8 immortality

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I propose this:
Resurrection (Can respawn after death, with respawning being canon in Minecraft due to the existence of items like the Respawn Anchor and Recovery Compass alongside promotional videos featuring Steve respawning)

honestly this makes the most sense as he is shown to be capable of respawning multiple times.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I propose this:
Resurrection (Can respawn after death, with respawning being canon in Minecraft due to the existence of items like the Respawn Anchor and Recovery Compass alongside promotional videos featuring Steve respawning)

This should also note it's limited to his bed.

Because technically in vs threads that could still lead to Steve just getting BFR'd by his own death.

That's how it actually works in-game. You risk losing your stuff because if you die too far from you bed the timer will run out before you can get back. Same with in multiplier servers where if you fight it's usually for a reason and that gets ruined by your death sending you away.

 

[Mbpoops]

This should also note it's limited to his bed.

Because technically in vs threads that could still lead to Steve just getting BFR'd by his own death.

That's how it actually works in-game. You risk losing your stuff because if you die too far from you bed the timer will run out before you can get back. Same with in multiplier servers where if you fight it's usually for a reason and that gets ruined by your death sending you away.

Would this change it to immortality type 8 since hes reliant on his bed?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Would this change it to immortality type 8 since hes reliant on his bed?

Yeah I'd say so.

I'd even go deeper and say it's reliant on the very world itself too. Because the only difference between hardcore Steve and non-hardcore Steve is the world's settings rather than some innate ability of Steve himself

So Steve's resurrection should only work in a survival non HC Minecraft world and the location depends either on the worlds natural spawn point or on the location of a bed

 

[Arkansalter2]

Would this change it to immortality type 8 since hes reliant on his bed?

I wouldn't think so. I'll put my 2 cents in it.

Steve can respawn normally, yes. Even without his bed, respawn anchor, or any of that sort.
The problem his, he loses his shit.

Respawn anchor only spawns you in the nether.
The recovery compass only points them in the direction after death, which they won't have access to after they die.
Beds are able to be used to respawn at it, however if it's destroyed then he spawns in a random place throughout the world.

Also, highly contradicting the respawn feature in the first place, but hardcore mode literally disables respawning, regardless of what is set up. It's supposed to be indexed that way instead of survival mode.
So in conclusion, it's very very silly of how the hell resurrection is in the profile in the first place.
I opt for straight up removal. It's just silly.

 

[Keeweed]

Or hardcore is just non canon, which is shown by the trailers. Also for characters with places they spawn they get those in threads. Like how John dark souls has always gotten bonefires in versus threads

 

[Keeweed]

“It’s silly so remove it”. The trailers and items show its canon. What would be the point of the respawn anchor (which just directs the respawn) and recovery compass if you don’t respawn, especially since the trailers literally show the respawn does indeed happen

 

[Arkansalter2]

I suppose.
But again, it's basically self-BFR without a bed.

 

[Keeweed]

I suppose.
But again, it's basically self-BFR without a bed.

Which they would get. This has literally been how it’s worked for years already. They have a bed, if you find it and break it you win. This has been Steve’s matches forever. Again same reason John dark souls and John bloodborne get their respawn points. This has always been the case and even if that point should be changed up, it would just mean the op would need to specify which changes barely anything

 

[Mbpoops]

I wouldn't think so. I'll put my 2 cents in it.

Steve can respawn normally, yes. Even without his bed, respawn anchor, or any of that sort.
The problem his, he loses his shit.

Respawn anchor only spawns you in the nether.
The recovery compass only points them in the direction after death, which they won't have access to after they die.
Beds are able to be used to respawn at it, however if it's destroyed then he spawns in a random place throughout the world.

Also, highly contradicting the respawn feature in the first place, but hardcore mode literally disables respawning, regardless of what is set up. It's supposed to be indexed that way instead of survival mode.
So in conclusion, it's very very silly of how the hell resurrection is in the profile in the first place.
I opt for straight up removal. It's just silly.

Atp just make 4 steve profiles. One for hardcore one for survival one for adventure and one for creative

 

[Keeweed]

Creative, adventure, and hardcore are just non canon. The books and trailers show and state regular old survival is just the way the game is intended to play. Which lines up with many curses and items only making sense if death isn’t permanent

 

[Mbpoops]

Atp just make 4 steve profiles. One for hardcore one for survival one for adventure and one for creative

Or just 4 different keys with none sharing abilities from the previous. Because ressurection type 4 and/or 8 should still be on the profile for survival but not for hardcore

 

[AyOgUyS]

This should also note it's limited to his bed.

Because technically in vs threads that could still lead to Steve just getting BFR'd by his own death.

That's how it actually works in-game. You risk losing your stuff because if you die too far from you bed the timer will run out before you can get back. Same with in multiplier servers where if you fight it's usually for a reason and that gets ruined by your death sending you away.

Eh sure

 

[IDK3465]

Yeah I'd say so.

I'd even go deeper and say it's reliant on the very world itself too. Because the only difference between hardcore Steve and non-hardcore Steve is the world's settings rather than some innate ability of Steve himself

So Steve's resurrection should only work in a survival non HC Minecraft world and the location depends either on the worlds natural spawn point or on the location of a bed

I mean, I wouldn't really say it's DEFINITELY caused by the world itself, it could also be an innate ability for Steve that simply gets nullified or disabled within hardcore worlds. Considering we literally have no lore reason why Steve can revive, and whether it comes from his own power or not, I propose just giving him possibly type 8, as we really have no idea how it works or where the ability comes from.

Regardless, I still think it should still be the default assumption in VS threads that the fight operates under the same rules as a normal survival world, as that's the difficulty most commonly depicted in trailers, spin-offs, and supplemental material. (Also, the OP should specify where Steve's spawn point is so that we know if he'll get BFR'd to the Overworld upon dying or not.)

 

[Mbpoops]

I mean, I wouldn't really say it's DEFINITELY caused by the world itself, it could also be an innate ability for Steve that simply gets nullified or disabled within hardcore worlds. Considering we literally have no lore reason why Steve can revive, and whether it comes from his own power or not, I propose just giving him possibly type 8, as we really have no idea how it works or where the ability comes from.

The only way he respawns without BFRing himself is with beds or respawn anchors which would be type 8 but i can agree with a possibly type 8

 

[DavidTPPM]

I mean, I wouldn't really say it's DEFINITELY caused by the world itself, it could also be an innate ability for Steve that simply gets nullified or disabled within hardcore worlds. Considering we literally have no lore reason why Steve can revive, and whether it comes from his own power or not, I propose just giving him possibly type 8, as we really have no idea how it works or where the ability comes from.

I mean yeah I agree the problem is that we don't really have real info. But I also don't think a lack of lore on his revivals means we should go with the highest interpretation

Like yeah we don't know what makes Steve respawn in terms of lore, but we do know that from a gameplay perspective the settings of the world are what decides whether he can respawn.
And technically speaking the same applies for any non-Steve player like Alex. EVERY player gets their resurrection depending on the world rather than something you can get or lose in-game.

So in my opinion it's more accurate to mark resurrection itself as a possibly rather than making just type 8 a possibly.

Regardless, I still think it should still be the default assumption in VS threads that the fight operates under the same rules as a normal survival world, as that's the difficulty most commonly depicted in trailers, spin-offs, and supplemental material. (Also, the OP should specify where Steve's spawn point is so that we know if he'll get BFR'd to the Overworld upon dying or not.)

Yeah I agree to this. This basically makes Steve's resurrection usable but also technically restrictable in vs threads which best matches how it behaves in-game where depending on your spawn point/bed location you may or may not be able to abuse respawning in combat.

 

[IDK3465]

The only way he respawns without BFRing himself is with beds or respawn anchors which would be type 8 but i can agree with a possibly type 8

Steve can still revive without a bed or anchor set up, all that does is force him to spawn in the dead center of the Overworld. It isn't the resurrection itself that depends on the bed/anchor; it's just the location Steve ends up in.

 

[Mbpoops]

Steve can still revive without a bed or anchor set up, all that does is force him to spawn in the dead center of the Overworld. It isn't the resurrection itself that depends on the bed/anchor; it's just the location Steve ends up in.

I guess then for specific cases he would need a respawn anchor or else hed BFR himself so maybe type 8 with respawn anchor would be fine but its only for certain cases so again im fine with possibly type 8 with bed and respawn anchor

 

[IDK3465]

I mean yeah I agree the problem is that we don't really have real info. But I also don't think a lack of lore on his revivals means we should go with the highest interpretation

Like yeah we don't know what makes Steve respawn in terms of lore, but we do know that from a gameplay perspective the settings of the world are what decides whether he can respawn.
And technically speaking the same applies for any non-Steve player like Alex. EVERY player gets their resurrection depending on the world rather than something you can get or lose in-game.

I'm not claiming that Steve's ability to revive on his own is the most likely interpretation, I'm saying that because we have nothing to go off of, there's an equal probability of his immortality being type 8 and not being type 8. Our goal on-site is never to assume the weakest interpretation, but to assume the most likely interpretation, and because neither option is particularly more likely, we list both.

So in my opinion it's more accurate to mark resurrection itself as a possibly rather than making just type 8 a possibly.

What? Why would the ability itself only be a possibility? We're explicitly shown that Minecraft players canonically can respawn after death. Even if we were certain of it not being innate to them and rather being a function of the world itself, that wouldn't remove the fact that respawning is a canon thing Steve can do.
Would we need to slap a possibly on everything a warlock from DnD can do, simply because their abilities come from their patron and not directly themselves? What about Jedi? Everything they do is just reliant on the Force after all.
I'm sorry, I just don't understand your argument here.

 

[Thunderman101]

Change op to immo type 8

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'm not claiming that Steve's ability to revive on his own is the most likely interpretation, I'm saying that because we have nothing to go off of, there's an equal probability of his immortality being type 8 and not being type 8. Our goal on-site is never to assume the weakest interpretation, but to assume the most likely interpretation, and because neither option is particularly more likely, we list both.

But I'm saying it's not an equal probability because we KNOW that changing the world's settings is what affects the resurrection. It's not linked to some ability you can enable or disable for Steve but rather a setting of the world.

We don't know if that's lore or gameplay shenanigans but it's still far more evidence towards the world interpretation than there is for the ability interpretation.

What? Why would the ability itself only be a possibility? We're explicitly shown that Minecraft players canonically can respawn after death. Even if we were certain of it not being innate to them and rather being a function of the world itself, that wouldn't remove the fact that respawning is a canon thing Steve can do.
Would we need to slap a possibly on everything a warlock from DnD can do, simply because their abilities come from their patron and not directly themselves? What about Jedi? Everything they do is just reliant on the Force after all.
I'm sorry, I just don't understand your argument here.

Yeah I think you misunderstood.
I'm not saying his resurrection is only a possibly. I'm saying it being his ability rather than the world's property is.

Because if it's the world's property that means if you dropped like, Batman or something in a Minecraft world he should also resurrect upon death as the world makes people resurrect. So it's not that I'm doubting if there's resurrection going on but what's responsible for it.

The Jedi comparison doesn't work because while yes they use a natural property of the world, that's still an ability they need to gain and train. Not every human in star wars can control the force but every human in a non-hc Minecraft world can resurrect.
So dropping Batman into SW wouldn't do anything to him but dropping him in MC would give him resurrection.

 

[Keeweed]

It can’t be a property of the world, nothing else respawns. All the mobs are different mobs, when you name them and kill them the named ones don’t come back. Pets don’t respawn, and the Ender dragon needs to be manually resurrected

Everything else in Minecraft dies but the player, who has direct video evidence that respawning is 100% canon

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

The books shown that players ability to respawn is innate.

 

[Keeweed]

This thread seems pretty clear cut mountain out of a molehill. Everything says, shows, and implies the player can respawn and just they respawn. Clear cut type 4

 

[Thunderman101]

This thread seems pretty clear cut mountain out of a molehill. Everything says, shows, and implies the player can respawn and just they respawn. Clear cut type 4

Not what I'm arguing, arguing that it should also be immo type 8 and needs a better explanation other than "They can respawn after being killed"

The books shown that players ability to respawn is innate.

 

[Thunderman101]

Not what I'm arguing, arguing that it should also be immo type 8 and needs a better explanation other than "They can respawn after being killed"

The removal argument was based on me being misinformed

 

[Legend_of_the_Night0425]

The books shown that players ability to respawn is innate.

Which books?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Which books?

The Island series I think, the Isekai one written by Max Brooks I think?

 

[Mbpoops]

i just think there should be 4 keys with a general type 8 immo

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Nah nevermind, Max Brooks didn't introduce the respawn mechanic lol. I misremembered, should be another novel.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

that it's Canon to the story will have Resurrection

Well, there are trailers. But I don't know if that counts.

 

[StarShooter80]

Another issue is the lack of actual scans, like item descriptions/showings of the respawn anchor and recovery anchor, and both in-game and trailer showcases of Steve respawning, all with references

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Minecraft: The End novel recited the End Poem.

Sometimes the player dreamed it was a miner, on
the surface of a world that was flat, and infinite.
The sun was a square of white. The days were
short; there was much to do; and death was a
temporary inconvenience.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Minecraft: The End novel recited the End Poem.

I really need to read the end... to lazy

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Hell yeah baby, found the scan on Minecraft: The End, it is ******* canon kek

Jess rolled her eyes. “Yes, actually, exactly like endermen. Endermen are strange. They’re alien. They’re hideous. They’re violent and angry even when you’re just minding your own business not bothering anyone. But if you commit the high crime of looking at them, as if looking ever hurt anyone, they’ll get you. You have to get them first. That’s all there is to it. Survival of the quickest. Once you’ve seen an enderman, it’s usually too late. They’re the worst thing I know about. Do you have any idea how many humans endermen kill up there? Because it is a lot. And it’s not even like they’re doing it to get our loot. When we go down, and regen at our spawn point, we leave everything behind, but they never take it. And let me tell you, respawning is no fun. It hurts like I don’t even know what. You’re so weak. You can barely move. Everything just throbs. Unless you’ve got medicine on hand and a good friend, or a totem to stop your respawn from happening in the first place, you won’t feel like yourself again for a long time.”​

Someone should add the reference