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Where are the sauce for this?
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Mobile Suit Gundam Discussion Thread
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I calculated the RX-78-2's surface area to 71m²
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it didn't take the blast flat though, pretty much the only part of it that actually got hit by the blast would be its torso, 1 arm and 1 leg (the other arm and other leg are overlapping the torso so they aren't actually getting hit) since it was crouched as opposed to his whole body
"explosion happened at least the radius of the colony away from the hole"
why are we assuming that? the zaku ii was maybe a couple tens of metres above the ground, which itself is absolutely not in the dead center of the colony and the land is not even a km thick on average
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I think you're thinking of my version.
Edit: I just realised I forgot to upload it to a blog. Here's the blog.
Here's hoping you get higher results than High 8-C.
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I feel artbook is maybe more reliable in this case? Idk how legit that performance chart is ngl.
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you're probably right
it's likely older too, so more recent is better
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i modelled the hole as a circle but an ellipse makes more sense considering what we see when the decompression happens
iunno if i'd use the shot with the hole blown in it to measure the other dimension of the ellipse considering a good portion of the metal's probably been fragged and blasted into space rather than only bent outwards
maybe this frame in particular (if i complete the shape offscreen) to get the other dimension then model as an ellipse, multiply by sheet thickness, frag of steel, yada yada
the soil on top being fragged would probably also add a good couple kilotons based on the sheer volume since the average land thickness is some 700m
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I suppose the more recent one?
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I don't think the Zaku being above the ground is that important here, since the hole didn't seem to be made right blow it. Regardless the hole should be at a distance of the thickness of the land away at least so there's that for ISL.
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I don't think it'd be much different. The only change in the calculation would be its surface area, which is gonna be slightly lower on account of it being slightly smaller (17.5m vs 18m) but that's really it.
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this doesn't take into account the distance the zaku was from the wall of the colony and the real distance between the gundam and the zaku, it just compares the surface area of the hole to the gundam not taking into account that the ground makes the epicenter considerably farther from the hole too
also you see solid rock, it's not really generic soil
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the explosion would be considerably stronger at the epicenter than the calc suggests because the metal wall is hundreds of meters way from the zaku, and the gundam is obviously much closer to the zaku
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correct.
this is like. an absolute bare minimum. i spoke to Agnaa about it and the way it's animated (omnidirectional explosion) is just not consistent with what it does (blow a clean hole in the ground).
this is a fair point. they're next to a cliff already and the ground is solid, so i don't mind switching it out for rock. (8-A, 148 tons)
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Using the distance I got from the Zaku and since the Gundam at least seems to be hit in an omnidirectional blast, I got 2 kilotons
(62770)/(4π((13.5)^2)) = 27.4
27.4* 87 = 2.397 kilotons
At least assuming the portion that hits the Gundam works like that should be fine, since it ignores the explosion being stronger at the epicenter, I think thisbis probably fine as a lowball
You can import the ang scaled distance from my imgur calc if you want, just copy paste it and the images
I should help with finding the distance from the second Zaku too
(62770)/(4π((13.5)^2)) = 27.4
27.4* 87 = 2.397 kilotons
At least assuming the portion that hits the Gundam works like that should be fine, since it ignores the explosion being stronger at the epicenter, I think thisbis probably fine as a lowball
You can import the ang scaled distance from my imgur calc if you want, just copy paste it and the images
I should help with finding the distance from the second Zaku too
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That's pretty much why I'm asking. Zakus are significantly less durable than the RX-2 (like to the point where volleys capable of one-shotting Zakus will bounce off it), since they're made of a titanium-ceramic composite rather than Luna Titanium.
Anything from MBT cannons to AA guns can at least damage a Zaku, so it scales to the majority of the verse whereas the RX-2 doesn't.
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Ah, okay then. Makes sense, especially with the part about Zaku munitions just bouncing right off RX-78, I'll do the same surface area thingy if I can find a good frontal shot of the Zaku II in official art or w/e.
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0.182c Char in his Zaku.
vsbattles.fandom.com
Zaku II Go Move
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Nice0.182c Char in his Zaku.
Zaku II Go Move
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Not an outlier either because Amuro pulls it off too in later episodes, and it's just something that characters do very often in the series
Thinking now about Zeta AP, I think it can be solidly upscaled from the original since there's more asteroid dispersal feats
Thinking now about Zeta AP, I think it can be solidly upscaled from the original since there's more asteroid dispersal feats
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This is a High Mobility Variant.
They're 18 metres tall (since you included that head spike), and have about thrice the acceleration and normal speed of a standard Zaku II.
They're 18 metres tall (since you included that head spike), and have about thrice the acceleration and normal speed of a standard Zaku II.
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Char's Red Zaku was retconned later in Gunpla to only be a 1/3th faster than a normal one. I'll look for the source tomorrow.
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I found what you're talking about. Gunpla says it has 30% more thrust and 3 times the speed.
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Ah so that's what it was
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yeah i can change that - only a minor fraction
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i think 0079 ep 9 had the RX78 jumping really high (which normally can get good LS if they go really high, potentially even better than just Class 50 for being that heavy) but i had a second look and it's mostly assisted by the rocket boosters
sad!
sad!
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am i right in understanding that pretty much all post-OYW gundams should be faster than anything shown during the OYW since movable frames became commonplace? dumping the concept of being heavily armored since beam weapons were similarly commonplace and would oneshot regardless, so lighter = faster?
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Yeah
Iirc they also generally have superior thrust in guidebooks
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How do you guys feel about scaling durability to beams
Like if they deflect off shields and stuff
Like if they deflect off shields and stuff
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I mean for shield's it's fine. But for the MS' durability, I feel it's wack? Because generally, mobile suits tend to get one shot by beam weapons.
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ehh
i believe most, if not all gundam shields get their use from I-field generators which are specifically made to deflect beam shots (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong)
stated here that I-fields have no effect on more traditional weaponry like missiles and projectiles which makes me think it's not a thing of having higher dura
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Kekw0.182c Char in his Zaku.
Zaku II Go Move
