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I don't think Thanos should be 5-C with the stone, it would be far too much of an outlier for him.
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Moon Level Rocket Racoon (MCU)
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Yeah, Thanos getting the upgrade is unnecessary. All I think is needed is the Ronan and Rocket upgrades.
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What other issues would it cause? Personally, I can't think of anything else.
If people try and try to upgrade everyone to 5-C repeatedly then just make a discussion rule about it.
If people try and try to upgrade everyone to 5-C repeatedly then just make a discussion rule about it.
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They are a couple of old interviews that describes the Hadron Enforcer as a weapon that fires nuclear warheads that creates contained explosions. [1] [2]
If the power of the weapon depends on the warhead loaded in, maybe the scraps didn't allow Racoon to create a moon-level warhead?
It created a smallish explosion when it hit Ronan.
But when it hit Ronan's hammer, it created a much smaller explosion.
If the power of the weapon depends on the warhead loaded in, maybe the scraps didn't allow Racoon to create a moon-level warhead?
It created a smallish explosion when it hit Ronan.
But when it hit Ronan's hammer, it created a much smaller explosion.
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After what I've read, I'm pretty sure the best options are "Outlier for Ronan" at best and "Completely inapplicable" at worst, considering the new stuff that has been brought to the table.
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I personally believe it would be valid for Rocket still. Throughout the movie he seems to insist that it's stronger than the smaller explosion would point to. He claimed it would blow up moons originally, later in the movie he threatened to use it to destroy the Ravagers main ship, which is over 1km long according to outside calculations. (Which I'm inclined to believe it's on this scale given what we saw of the thing).
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If we scale it to Ronan, there's an argument for it to eventually scale to most characters. We cant cherry pick which characters scale and which do not, if there's going to be one character scaling, there will be little reason for others to if they have feats or implications of such.
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Yeah, and what is the problem of scaling it to god tiers?
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If the weapon is proven to have variable firepower, then we can say that the weapon wasn't used at its full potential (especially since scraps was used to make it along with the ammo).
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It's an outlier for Ronan, sure, but it should absolutely be okay for Rocket.
Also, why would the ammo being made out of scraps mean it's weaker? Why does the size of the explosion even matter here?
Also, why would the ammo being made out of scraps mean it's weaker? Why does the size of the explosion even matter here?
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Okay, let me play the devil's advocate here for a second. If Ronan does indeed scale to the Hadron Enforcer at full power, meaning he did indeed tank a Moon level blast, who would end up scaling to this?
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There's a decent reason to assume Thanos could scale to this. Since he's also a Power Stone user, and he didn't seem too worried even after Ronan got the Power Stone.
If Thanos did scale to this, Captain Marvel very likely would, as would many other Top Tiers like Thor, Iron Man, and more
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Why is this even an outlier in first place? Please, someone explain to me why 5-C Ronan cannot be accepted
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Hmm, call me crazy, but can we not just give the other top tiers aside from Thanos and CM a "likely 5-C" for scaling from the Power Stone? It seems like a fair compromise, and the scaling does seem like it could be viable enough...
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No we cant, because as everyone here was saying some minutes ago, its outlier, but nobody explains the reason to it be an outlier, but still cannot be accepted because yes
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Okay, then let me be blunt to the other knowledgeable members so there is no confusion here.
Explain the exact reason why this would be an outlier.
Explain the exact reason why this would be an outlier.
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What other 5-C feats does the verse have? If this is basically the only one then it's flat out an outlier.
And doesn't basically every single Avenger have a feat of harming Thanos or physically clashing with him in some way?
The more people that scale to a feat the more evidence is needed to support it.
And doesn't basically every single Avenger have a feat of harming Thanos or physically clashing with him in some way?
The more people that scale to a feat the more evidence is needed to support it.
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there is not
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Okay. Let me hear from other people now.
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So, lets downgrade Thanos to 8-B due being kicked by Spiderman
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It means that there is no guarantee that it is not weaker than normal or at maximum performance, due to scarcity of resources.
The size of the explosion matters because we saw the weapon being fired twice, and the size of the explosion produed is vastly different. This means that the firepower of the makeshift weapon differs between uses.
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May I please see these two feats side-by-side so we all can confirm this to be accurate?
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Is there an issue with using "possibly"or "likely" to scale others to 5-C?
It seems pretty strange that Rocket would be 5-C via a weapon but Ronan can't scale to it because it's an outlier despite Ronan being the one stated to tank the attack from the weapon.
It seems pretty strange that Rocket would be 5-C via a weapon but Ronan can't scale to it because it's an outlier despite Ronan being the one stated to tank the attack from the weapon.
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Honestly the MCU profiles look like a mess
Spider-Man has justifications scaling him to both Iron Man and Thanos and Iron Man has a justification that scales him to Thanos, yet neither are rated anywhere near him.
Regardless, as mentioned above by others, if Thanos scales to it then CM, Iron Man, Thor and others would too.
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If Thanos and CM would scale then everyone else would be 5-C via scaling to Thanos and that would be a massive outlier.
Just make it 5-C for Rocket and make a note that Ronan surviving the enforcer is an outlier
Just make it 5-C for Rocket and make a note that Ronan surviving the enforcer is an outlier
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You mean the hadron enforcer feats????/
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Yes. Like I said, I would like to see them both side-by-side to make sure the variant power levels being proposed is accurate
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Feat 1 - First Shot
Feat 2 - Second Shot
Rocket also seemed confident that the Hadron Enforcer would be capable of blowing up the eclector Ravager ship (Which is this big)
Feat 2 - Second Shot
Rocket also seemed confident that the Hadron Enforcer would be capable of blowing up the eclector Ravager ship (Which is this big)
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The non-damaged Hydron used to directly hit Ronan is the one stated to bust moons so its potency can't be questioned, only deemed an outlier or not.
And looking at the two scenes you linked (I can't remember a good amount of the movie), the latter Hydron is clearly damaged and hardly functional until Rocket gets it working again but based on its look it's clearly not working at a 100%. That is more likely why its blast radius isn't large and the explosion doesn't look as strong, because it's being shot from a broken Hydron.
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I agree with Dien. Plus, the second one didn't even hit him. It just shattered his hammer.
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