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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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Mapl3Sy4up
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Well, using the High 6-C+ value of 696 Gigatons, Prime AM would be 41.7 teratons so 6-B. Then Deku would reach 208.5 teratons with 5x Fa Jin so we’d have High 6-B Deku.
And if we Uber wanked and said the NHE took the full force of the intercontinental missiles, then it’d be 380 teratons for High 6-B prime AM. So Deku would then add 5x with Fa Jin for 1.917 Petatons or 6-A.
So with maximum gigawank on current calcs we could have High 6-B god tiers with Deku being 6-A with Fa Jin/Overdrive.
And if we Uber wanked and said the NHE took the full force of the intercontinental missiles, then it’d be 380 teratons for High 6-B prime AM. So Deku would then add 5x with Fa Jin for 1.917 Petatons or 6-A.
So with maximum gigawank on current calcs we could have High 6-B god tiers with Deku being 6-A with Fa Jin/Overdrive.
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Ah neat
prime might will never get his 60x multiplier despite how much I want it
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Pretty sure we reject 60x Prime AM purely due to outlier which considering how Shiggy was doing them idk while the Two Heroes one just doesn’t really make sense. It has him going up and down when OFA should purely make him go up, so it’s not super accurate to exactly how strong he should be.
Though honestly that should mean the graph is a low ball if anything.
Though honestly that should mean the graph is a low ball if anything.
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The 60x multiplier is based on a misunderstanding of it in the first place IIRC. Nowhere does All Might actually say that he is 60x weaker than his prime.
Not going to delve into it now though because I don't remember the original post explaining it that well.
Not going to delve into it now though because I don't remember the original post explaining it that well.
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I mean we can just have a thread about it again if we need to.
The main argument is “AM said it took over 300 punches to beat Nomu with his punch flurry, but in his Prime, he could accomplish the same in 5 of those punches.”
“In my heyday, five of those punches would have been enough. But that was over 300 hits just now.” Is the hotly debated quote, so people extrapolate that he must be at least 60x weaker cause 300/5 = 60.
Idk what the full debunk was either but I remember being convinced by it.
The main argument is “AM said it took over 300 punches to beat Nomu with his punch flurry, but in his Prime, he could accomplish the same in 5 of those punches.”
“In my heyday, five of those punches would have been enough. But that was over 300 hits just now.” Is the hotly debated quote, so people extrapolate that he must be at least 60x weaker cause 300/5 = 60.
Idk what the full debunk was either but I remember being convinced by it.
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Prime All Might Multiplier - Possible Discussion Thread Rule Addition After?
MHA MANGA SPOILERS AHEAD Alright, so just like the Navel Laser, one of the most hotly debated MHA subjects needs to be put to bed officially. All Might’s over 300 punches against the USJ Nomu. This feat is quite infamous so I feel it needs no reintroduction, but I’m going to lay it down...
Let’s put this to bed then.
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... Why?Prime All Might Multiplier - Possible Discussion Thread Rule Addition After?
MHA MANGA SPOILERS AHEAD Alright, so just like the Navel Laser, one of the most hotly debated MHA subjects needs to be put to bed officially. All Might’s over 300 punches against the USJ Nomu. This feat is quite infamous so I feel it needs no reintroduction, but I’m going to lay it down...vsbattles.com
Let’s put this to bed then.
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According to Volume 35 notes:
- Dabi's Final War outfit is made to be "super-duper heat resistant"
- The fangs in Toga's outfit can transform into syringes with hover jet functionality.
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I do not have the time for something like that right now. I have other things on my plate, so I'll check on this later.Prime All Might Multiplier - Possible Discussion Thread Rule Addition After?
MHA MANGA SPOILERS AHEAD Alright, so just like the Navel Laser, one of the most hotly debated MHA subjects needs to be put to bed officially. All Might’s over 300 punches against the USJ Nomu. This feat is quite infamous so I feel it needs no reintroduction, but I’m going to lay it down...
Let’s put this to bed then.
However, I'll say a discussion rule isn't necessary. It's not like people are talking about this all the time like with Aoyama's Navel Laser. We make those rules because it becomes annoying to have to constantly explain/debunk the same topic over and over again.
Assuming that's what the thread is about.
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Let him cook bro
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Not like I’m expecting it to be solved in a day, I’m just making it mainly cause I’m bored.
Also considering the subject of it, I’d rather have a definitive idea of it rather than not know what we’re doing about that statement or the feats presented, especially in the wake of the recent upgrade thread AND the series coming to an end relatively soon.
It’s not like it’s going anywhere anytime soon.
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Also I feel this would benefit from a discussion thread rule solely because of how absolutely common a consensus it is, outside of the wiki, that it is indeed a 60x multiplier. I feel having a logical and written down conclusion on what, to many scaling fans outside of the wiki, is the most blatant multiplier in MHA does more good than harm.
So if we reject it, we can at least point to that. Indexing before vs battling after all.
So if we reject it, we can at least point to that. Indexing before vs battling after all.
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Amen brother
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Finally we're talking about the prime allmight multiplier again!
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It never ended
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Well I hope we can finally reach the obvious conclusionIt never ended
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now I just want to read it
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The debunk was basically similar to just bleeding out HP.
Nomu had 3000 health and 300 defense. The 300 defense represents the Shock Absorption quirk.
All Might had 300 damage, but Plus Ultra gave him 600 damage. So while the Nomu's defense blocked 300 damage, 300 additional damage reached the Nomu until its health is depleted.
To defeat the Nomu with 5 hits, Prime All Might only needs to have 900 damage, 3x in his Weakened state, to defeat the Nomu.
There are some key, big assumptions in this premise but it briefly explains why a 60x multiplier isn't necessary.
Nomu had 3000 health and 300 defense. The 300 defense represents the Shock Absorption quirk.
All Might had 300 damage, but Plus Ultra gave him 600 damage. So while the Nomu's defense blocked 300 damage, 300 additional damage reached the Nomu until its health is depleted.
To defeat the Nomu with 5 hits, Prime All Might only needs to have 900 damage, 3x in his Weakened state, to defeat the Nomu.
There are some key, big assumptions in this premise but it briefly explains why a 60x multiplier isn't necessary.
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I'm still hoping to see that UA mech. It would be like the Black Bull's base mech. I do hope Hori doesn't drop the idea completely.
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If 100% is equivalent to Faux 100% speed, then it's a multitude faster than 45%.Anybody else think 100% is at least 2x faster than 45% considering it took the base speed from 45% + Fajin boost-which in itself is accumalated from 45%- let alone the centrifugal force and Black whip elasticity boost to match 100% speed
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There's a CRT up for the multiplier currently by the way.
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Ik. Just want to find a way to get an exact multiplier out of it, even if it's a lowball cuz I'm getting tired of undefined upscaling
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It took a leg of full Fa-Jin (we count full as 5x so Ig 2.5 here), centrifugal force, Blackwhip Elasticity, and Full Cowling 45% to match the speed of the Prime Might speedAnybody else think 100% is at least 2x faster than 45% considering it took the base speed from 45% + Fajin boost-which in itself is accumalated from 45%- let alone the centrifugal force and Black whip elasticity boost to match 100% speed
So uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh idk
But that doesnt take into account say, Natural Defenses from the Nomu (It should have natural levels of Weakened AM defenses), Super Regen Meaning that it regains hp as super regen is only overwhelmed when it takes actual damage, not when shock absorb takes damage for it
Also because the (slightly paraphrased) line is "you said his quirk was Shock Absorbtion, Not Nullification, There's an upper limit to what he can take" I saw it as a bar to be filled that went down over time, it took Weakened AM 300 hits to fill with >100% blows and it would apparently take 5 blows for Prime AM to do the same.
But at the end of the day, it's all our own interpretations unless Hori outright tells us that All Might is 60x stronger in his Prime
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I haven’t overly been reading the multiplier thread but if the 60x shit gets accepted, Prime AM characters become 6-B at the lowest, and Deku with Fa Jin + Overdrive (and probably Shigaraki with quirks) would end up scaling to
High 6-B if the Rusty recalc gets accepted
Big ass numbers
High 6-B if the Rusty recalc gets accepted
Big ass numbers
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Also since OP top tiers got gutted and nerfed back to 6-B, we can do MHA and OP matches again
Prime AFO vs Blackbeard would be a cool fight
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REALLY think Fajin is a 2x speed multiplier since it uses the current % base speed combined with the accumulated speed from said %. Which would make 100%, mathematics aside, over 2x faster than 45% since Deku needed the centrifugal force and elasticity alongside Fajin to match what we he said to be AM speed back in the day. Can some intellectual debunk this so my foolish little heart can be at ease cuz Ik this is never going to be accepted
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If Rustys ISL calc of the sns sky split gets accepted deku would be 6-A
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Nah, he’d be 6-B.
696 GT x 60 = 41.7 Teratons.
The second value Rusty has is the ISL for the missiles which no one scales to.
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Oh yeah you're right, but you're forgetting about the quintiple smash. That makes it 41.7 Teratons × 5 = 208.5 Teratons or High 6-B
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After we're done with implementing the 60× multiplier we should start looking at old calcs that we've accepted and not accepted and see if they can get done better.
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Asta in his spade arc key in base is 6-B 12 teratons
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Thor chuck Storm Breaker at Deku, Deku grabbed it out of reflex, get Madness haxed
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Yeah, won't be a good idea when most Mashle characters in that key have insane magic hax, such as Spatial erasure, instant bfr, logia type hax, gravity manipulation, and tons of upscaling
And then there's the Brother's with mid level regen who have infinite magic to replenish healing, and Renatus with High-Mid
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Only if he’s not strong enough to hold it, which he is, as he’s comparable to Thor (and has higher LS actually). He scales to Evolved Shigaraki who is stronger than Prime AM Shigaraki. And Deku could casually hold him off with one arm, let alone what he did to him after that. So Deku is stronger than 41.7 Teratons, Thor is stronger than 39.5 Teratons. So he could catch Stormbreaker and be fine.
And if by strength he means willpower than Deku would be able to hold it without question.
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