Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[PatatesR]

I will never forgive Kishimoto if he doesn't include Tenseigan in Boruto.

I want to kick the author who forgot the cool eye in chapter 1(jougan)

 

[HelloThere1089]

Oh your not wrong, that also pissed me off especially when naruto got genjustued but Sakura got out because she’s “resistant” to it or something. But I also kinda liked some stuff in the movie manly the otosuki clan but it’s rushed so badly that it’s just kinda meh. And romance was cute but ya it would have been better if it was set up in the pain arc. The film was like a 5-4/10. Atleast the animation was good

The movie also gave Hinata Hamura chakra only to bench her for the rest of her life. But that's on Boruto not the movie. And yeah the genjutsu stuff was wack. The last had good parts for sure but the bad parts kinda overshadow for me.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The movie also gave Hinata Hamura chakra only to bench her for the rest of her life. But that's on Boruto not the movie. And yeah the genjutsu stuff was wack. The had good parts for sure but the bad parts kinda overshadow for me.

Tbh I think I stopped paying attention at that part lol.so I didn’t even realize she got a power up.Ya, but the boruto movie is as bad, right?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Tbh I think I stopped paying attention at that part lol. Ya, but the boruto movie is as bad, right?

Nah it's better than the Last but it's not anything groundbreaking either. It's cool. The anime does it far better tho.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Nah it's better than the Last but it's not anything groundbreaking either. It's cool. The anime does it far better tho.

Oh, so should I just watch the anime then?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I have, obito let kakashi beat him. Plan and simple. There’s nothing implying he was coping or that he was betting on kakashi being fast.

Tell me which if any of these premises you disagree with:
1. Kakashi witnessed Obito fighting KCM2 Naruto prior to his fight with Obito
2. Kakashi isn't cocky/stupid
3. Kakashi believed he could take Obito out
4. Kakashi didn't notice anything different about Obito compared to usual (besides obviously not being able to use Kamui)
5. Obito wanting to get his heart stabbed and him going all out in terms of stats aren't mutually exclusive (if he already knew Kakashi was on his level)

Pretty sure you need to reinforce your control over it with chakra. Fair enough on the Uchiha barrier, that might explain why he used those rinnegan chains bee then. Juubito had better options just like madera(expect for when he uses limbo)

I don't believe that's been stated anywhere. He wouldn't have been able to use that against Kakashi anyways since he spawned those rods out of Kamui. Juubito had better options sure but they still could've been useful if he used them appropriately.

And kakashi did and did little to no damage. He tagged them with chidori and couldn’t even pierce there chakra cloaks. Heck Naruto didn’t even get the chance to hit them.

That can just mean Lightning Cable>Raikiri. That's kinda my point, Naruto was too busy just trying to defend to even have the chance to attack, while Kakashi was just fine attacking and defending.

Didn’t know the Jin’s were so fast either, to think kcm1 naruto could even react to those speeds is crazy

Oooor Kakashi just got faster and the jinchuriki don't scale to Late WA Kakashi.

Funny how a clone “outspeed” sasuke and Naruto as well

Uh those links don't work, though I assume this is about the moment where Naruto pushed Naruto and Sasuke out of the way of Kaguya's chakra arm? Cause that's fine, clones are not weaker than the original when the clones are out. As I said before, doing the Shadow Clone jutsu equally and evenly distributes chakra between you and your clones, meaning when your clones are out, you're relative to those weaker versions of yourself. As for Sasuke, that just means it's easier to push someone out of the way of something than to dodge it yourself.

He doesn’t scale, that’s kind off the point

This part of the argument is just gonna go in circles tbh

Kakashi is relative to kcm Minato from running next to him so I don’t see why this isn’t fine

Uhhhhhhh I'm kinda confused? I said it was fine in response to you implying it wouldn't be. Although about the Kakashi~KCM Minato point, I'm pretty sure Minato was fatigued considering he had given all his KCM chakra to Naruto not too long ago and was just regaining his cloak when he then spread his chakra all over the alliance and contributed to a chakra tug of war that Kakashi entirely missed.

How is he gonna sense the intent of a corpse?

They obviously have intent to do something considering Obito gave them orders of what to do.

Obito also blocked his blow without much problem sooo….

So did Guy?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Oh, so should I just watch the anime then?

I think there are some pros to the movie version

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I think there are some pros to the movie version

Then should I watch both?

Tell me which if any of these premises you disagree with:
1. Kakashi witnessed Obito fighting KCM2 Naruto prior to his fight with Obito
2. Kakashi isn't cocky/stupid
3. Kakashi believed he could take Obito out
4. Kakashi didn't notice anything different about Obito compared to usual (besides obviously not being able to use Kamui)
5. Obito wanting to get his heart stabbed and him going all out in terms of stats aren't mutually exclusive (if he already knew Kakashi was on his level)

I don't believe that's been stated anywhere. He wouldn't have been able to use that against Kakashi anyways since he spawned those rods out of Kamui. Juubito had better options sure but they still could've been useful if he used them appropriately.

That can just mean Lightning Cable>Raikiri. That's kinda my point, Naruto was too busy just trying to defend to even have the chance to attack, while Kakashi was just fine attacking and defending.

Oooor Kakashi just got faster and the jinchuriki don't scale to Late WA Kakashi.

Uh those links don't work, though I assume this is about the moment where Naruto pushed Naruto and Sasuke out of the way of Kaguya's chakra arm? Cause that's fine, clones are not weaker than the original when the clones are out. As I said before, doing the Shadow Clone jutsu equally and evenly distributes chakra between you and your clones, meaning when your clones are out, you're relative to those weaker versions of yourself. As for Sasuke, that just means it's easier to push someone out of the way of something than to dodge it yourself.

This part of the argument is just gonna go in circles tbh

Uhhhhhhh I'm kinda confused? I said it was fine in response to you implying it wouldn't be. Although about the Kakashi~KCM Minato point, I'm pretty sure Minato was fatigued considering he had given all his KCM chakra to Naruto not too long ago and was just regaining his cloak when he then spread his chakra all over the alliance and contributed to a chakra tug of war that Kakashi entirely missed.

They obviously have intent to do something considering Obito gave them orders of what to do.

So did Guy?

How about we just agree to disagree

 

[HelloThere1089]

Oh, so should I just watch the anime then?

Like Sparkle said. I think you should watch both of them but not back to back I guess. But if you're in a time crunch and could only watch one, then I'd recommend the Anime for sure.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

@MinatoSparkle
Are you guys discussing if Kakashi is = Obito? What was the initial comment that started this? Lol

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Then should I watch both?

I think I'd suggest watching the anime version first then the movie later (so you have more context for stuff that might be glossed over in the movie), but the reverse order is technically the way it's meant to be watched since that's the release order

How about we just agree to disagree

Sure

@MinatoSparkle
Are you guys discussing if Kakashi is = Obito?

Pretty much that and just WA Kakashi's level in general

What was the initial comment that started this? Lol

I suppose this

Hm ig I'm cool with 4x actually

He solos the Five Kage

His stats went from like Base Naruto level+ to KCM2 Naruto/Rinnegan Obito tier

 

[HelloThere1089]

 

[Gokukid2005]

This is one of the very few things Boruto has over Naruto
We get to see the characters in less tense situations and have them actually have fun
Iirc, this episode was a camping trip where the kids came together to have fun
Obviously, the times were different in Naruto but I appreciate seeing things like this

Oh yh defs
The ep was about them tryna do something memorable because they were graduating from the Academy and they feared growing apart

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I think I'd suggest watching the anime version first then the movie later (so you have more context for stuff that might be glossed over in the movie), but the reverse order is technically the way it's meant to be watched since that's the release order

Sure

Pretty much that and just WA Kakashi's level in general

I suppose this

Aside from the V2 Fight (Which, after Guy freed him, KCM Naruto fought off-screen and wasn’t show like Kakashi and Guy except for this 1 panel), have you taken into consideration Kakashi was Kyuubi Amped 100% almost by time he fought Obito?

I mean… Kakashi vs Obito isn’t exactly “Base Kakashi” vs Obito technically. Kurama strapped a V6 to that mf!

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Aside from the V2 Fight (Which, after Guy freed him, KCM Naruto fought off-screen and wasn’t show like Kakashi and Guy except for this 1 panel), have you taken into consideration Kakashi was Kyuubi Amped 100% almost by time he fought Obito?

I mean… Kakashi vs Obito isn’t exactly “Base Kakashi” vs Obito technically. Kurama strapped a V6 to that mf!

About that

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

About that

The cloak isn’t what i’m referring two. Remember, Kakashi’s own reserves were completely empty when Naruto saved him from Obito. After this point, Kakashi’s entire tank was refilled with Kyuubi Chakra. The Cloak was just excess after Kurama gave them MORE chakra. So Kakashi vs Obito is still a MASSIVELY Kyuubi Amped Kakashi.

This would also give support to the notion Obito was actually holding back as well, because he was ALSO Kyuubi amped due to absorbing the Cloak. Kakashi surviving Obito’s onslaught while exhausted of chakra is either an endurance feat or outlier imo.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The cloak isn’t what i’m referring two. Remember, Kakashi’s own reserves were completely empty when Naruto saved him from Obito. After this point, Kakashi’s entire tank was refilled with Kyuubi Chakra. The Cloak was just excess after Kurama gave them MORE chakra. So Kakashi vs Obito is still a MASSIVELY Kyuubi Amped Kakashi.

P sure he'd just wanna absorb all the Kurama chakra. At the very least, there's no proof that he did still have Kurama chakra. It's also not like he only has Obito level feats after first getting Kurama's chakra (if anything it kinda seems like they had a whole offscreen fight between Chapter 601 and 607, while Naruto Bee and Guy were fighting Madara).

This would also give support to the notion Obito was actually holding back as well, because he was ALSO Kyuubi amped due to absorbing the Cloak.

Rinnegan absorption is kinda weird, since it clearly amps Sasuke, but it doesn't really seem to boost anyone else. Otherwise, the Preta Path would've been goated after absorbing the Rasenshuriken.

Kakashi surviving Obito’s onslaught while exhausted of chakra is either an endurance feat or outlier imo.

Or he just got that raw durability

 

[Ryzen7900X]

if half Kurama got accepted to 5-B how would that change everything

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

if half Kurama got accepted to 5-B how would that change everything

Pretty big change, hasriama and Minato scale to the full 9taiks so I’d image there be a decent change in tiers

 

[AnimesFreak2]

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[MinatoSparkle]

Minato scale to the full 9taiks

If you mean the One Shot, Kurama was suppressed

 

[KingogKings777]

I will never forgive Kishimoto if he doesn't include Tenseigan in Boruto.

We still waiting for Jogan.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

If you mean the One Shot, Kurama was suppressed

True but Minato got a hole in his stomach and was posioned. So I think he’d still scale

 

[Testarossa002]

Why sugar coat it? The movie was ass. Not just the pacing of it. Hinata using the scarf to keep her from falling instead of you know, literally doing what the first arc taught njnjas, walking on walls. That alone made me check out. And the romance stuff should have been set up better from the pain arc.

The green orb used to knock her out messed up her chakra network. I don't think the movie mentioned that but the novelisation did

 

[MinatoSparkle]

True but Minato got a hole in his stomach and was posioned. So I think he’d still scale

Unquantifiable, and that'd put Teen Minato on the level of the Wood Golem and Perfect Susanoo, which is quite inconsistent.

 

[ssgengar]

And the romance stuff should have been set up better from the pain arc.

Agreed. Maybe there’s more set up than what I’m remembering since it’s been awhile since I watched the movie but Naruto confessing his love just felt rushed and kinda weird to me

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

P sure he'd just wanna absorb all the Kurama chakra.

Absorbing the cloak has never been tantamount to absorbing all the chakra out of the body (Look at Kisame vs Bee). Even Pain DIRECTLY absorbing Chakra from Naruto’s body wasn’t instant and his Preta wouldn’t be diminished because he has both Rinnegan, not just 1.

At the very least, there's no proof that he did still have Kurama chakra.

Why wouldn’t he? He was stated and shown to be completely drained and only continued past that point because of Kyuubi Chakra and nothing indicates or implies he would somehow have lost that chakra at that point. Again, w/o Kyuubi Chakra he was gassed and he’s clearly not after the fact.

It's also not like he only has Obito level feats after first getting Kurama's chakra (if anything it kinda seems like they had a whole offscreen fight between Chapter 601 and 607, while Naruto Bee and Guy were fighting Madara).

Honestly, it’s likely Obito wasn’t going all out there, even if we agree that there was an entire off-screen fight between those chapters. Kakashi was massively drained and out of chakra when Kurama refilled his tank. Kakashi after that moment is FAR superior to whatever he would be had he been fresh w/ no Kyuubi Chakra, and I’m sure on that we agree.

After that, Kurama ends up giving Kakashi A LOT more Chakra after that. So not ONLY was Kakashi already massively amped due to having a full tank of Kyuubi Chakra, but he got MORE that is stated to be both STRONGER and QUANTITIVE!! Now “how much” of that resides in the cloak vs flowing through his body is unquantifiable, but the fact of the matter is, Obito fought evenly with a massively Kyuubi amped Kakashi and the only way to reconcile that fact is to assume that Obito absorbed half of everything Kurama gave him by absorbing the cloak, and that is completely baseless.

Not to mention that still ends up with Obito having Held Back because at the time Kurama initially gave Kakashi Chakra, Obito was FAR from Gassed, unlike Kakashi.

At this point, I’d have to invoke Occams Razor.

Rinnegan absorption is kinda weird, since it clearly amps Sasuke, but it doesn't really seem to boost anyone else. Otherwise, the Preta Path would've been goated after absorbing the Rasenshuriken.

The Databook expressly states the chakra is dispersed inside the body. You can argue Kishimoto was inconsistent, but we know how it works, especially with Biju Chakra given Nagato and B.

Or he just got that raw durability

Or Obito was just holding back…

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Unquantifiable, and that'd put Teen Minato on the level of the Wood Golem and Perfect Susanoo, which is quite inconsistent.

Not really, it just means Minato is in the same ballpark at 9tails. Kurama was wanking him up to be a shinobi as great as hasriama or something like that. And the rasegean was always supposed to be an extremely powerful jutsu sooo….

 

[SlendVeny]

The movie also gave Hinata Hamura chakra only to bench her for the rest of her life.

I mean, she did fight Momoshiki + Kinshiki and live.

 

[SlendVeny]

Oh, so should I just watch the anime then?

The anime is alright if you skip 90% of the filler, but the manga is better

 

[Daoist_Pepe]

The green orb used to knock her out messed up her chakra network. I don't think the movie mentioned that but the novelisation did

The movie mentions her body was numb, that scene is heavily criticized despite their being explanations.

 

[SlendVeny]

If you mean the One Shot, Kurama was suppressed

Kyuubinato FRA

 

[SlendVeny]

Not really, it just means Minato is in the same ballpark at 9tails.

9-Tails is on par with Perfect Susano'o, what are you disagreeing with?

 

[SlendVeny]

Kinda wish we had Low 5-B Juubi at full power. Not praying for feats or anything, I just think that sounds cool.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

9-Tails is on par with Perfect Susano'o, what are you disagreeing with?

I kinda thought 9 tails was below them but you’re right his on the same lvl. I guess Minato is just HIM

 

[SlendVeny]

I kinda thought 9 tails was below them but you’re right his on the same lvl. I guess Minato is just HIM

Minato is factually below Kurama. He would have slaughtered Obito and A4 if he wasn't.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Kinda wish we had Low 5-B Juubi at full power. Not praying for feats or anything, I just think that sounds cool.

There is always the rotational K.E absorbing feat

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Minato is factually below Kurama. He would have slaughtered Obito and A4 if he wasn't.

He factually is not, hiruzen was literally waiting for Minato to swoop in and save the day. He kinda did, obito got sent packing(and probably only survived because good ole hasriama cells) and Minato was gonna straight murder A if bee didn’t save him. Heck A still glazes Minato to this day.

 

[karo_senpaii]

He factually is not, hiruzen was literally waiting for Minato to swoop in and save the day. He kinda did, obito got sent packing(and probably only survived because good ole hasriama cells) and Minato was gonna straight murder A if bee didn’t save him. Heck A still glazes Minato to this day.

That's hokage minato. Hokage minato can definitely take on kurama. It was teen minato he was talking about

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Minato is damn strong though… at what, 15-16 his Chakra was strong enough to hold back and suppress 7-8 tails worth of 100% Kurama’s Chakra? As Hokage (23 I think) he was able to suppress 100% of Kurama’s Chakra w/ Mid to High diff.