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Narutoverse Scaling: Kazekage Rescue Mission - Pain's Assault arcs

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ShrekAlmighty said:
Downscaling from multipliers should never be a thing, as it can be used to vastly inflate some of the ratings and brings upon topics of whether to use multipliers above scaling/feats or not at all.

Regardless of that, we cannot downscale him by 5x or whatever since it would imply 6th gate is roughly even to 1 gate, another bigger reason why we cant do it is because 30% kisame and 6th gate guy are not even at all.
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Base Guy is also comparable to 30% Kisame since he could block his attack and survive a punch to the stomach.
 
Well, that is why we are here to debate, as it stands by current arguments either he shouldnt scale or the multiplier shouldnt be used, anything else would cause inconsistencies.
 
Well, fair is fair, i suppose.

I myself am not sure atm as i have not looked into Base Guy scaling that much up to this point, for now i can only comment on this specific scaling idea.
 
Base Guy never harmed Kisame, did he? I only recall him knocking back Kisame on two occasions by taking him by surprise.
 
Again, the logic of "he survived X attack" can easily be flipped to scale Kisame to KCM Naruto and 7th Gate Guy.
Kisame not only survived the clash of the Super shark bomb and Hirudora, but he also survived a punch from Guy afterwards with enough strength left to break out of Yamato's Mokuton and perform a Suiton + Kuchiyose. He also survived Naruto's kick.
Like, he literally has more reasons to scale to 7th gate Guy than base Guy has reasons to scale to 30% Kisame, and yet he probably won't scale to 7th Gate Guy.
 
Kisame not only survived the clash of the Super shark bomb and Hirudora, but he also survived a punch from Guy afterwards with enough strength left to break out of Yamato's Mokuton and perform a Suiton + Kuchiyose. He also survived Naruto's kick.
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To be fair Guy wasn't trying to kill him with that punch. He wanted to bring Kisame back to get info.
 
Damage3245 said:
To be fair Guy wasn't trying to kill him with that punch. He wanted to bring Kisame back to get info.
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Yes, but it was still a pretty powerful punch that was meant to incapacitate him, which kinda supports my personal believe that Full power Kisame scales to 6th gate Guy, but that's another story.
 
Btw, I just saw the panel of Lee saying that the 8th Gate is 100x the 'normal power'. Did he mean 100x base or 100x 7th Gates?
 
Start with potency
We know the bijuu are all relative to eachother since they can injure Gyüki who has the durability to tank his own Bijuudama. Who is currently small country level via this calculation. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Damage3245/Combined_Biju_Bomb_and_Individual_Biju_Bombs

PT1 OROCHIMARU
That he can destroy a country in the first databook via his destructive power alone. https://narutoversity.wordpress.com/first-databook-character-files/
Also he used to be apart of the Akatsuki who were tasked to defeat bijuu and are literally stated to be stronger than Jinchuriki.

PT1 HIRUZEN
Hiruzen can also physically push back kurama to outside the village who has Small Country level AP, he used Monkey King Enma to do this and this summoning can't grow weaker. Orochimaru can trade hits from it. Hiruzen states he is stronger than him. Hiruzen at this time was stated stronger than the other 4 Kage like the 4th Raikage who in his jounin days helped the third Raikage restrain the 8 tails. Even cutting off his horns etc. He is stated to have bijuu level chakra and could fight Killer B. Being Raikage means your the strongest in your village meaning he’s superior to Killer B.



4th RAIKAGE
Harmed 8 tails. Superior to MS Sasuke who fought killer B. As Raikage is the strongest in his village. Since that’s how the cloud functions.

TSUNADE
Tsunade is physical stronger than The 4th Raikage since she beat him in an arm wrestle and according to Madara, she surpasses A in physical strength and was able to break Madara's Susanoo ribcage.
She’s stated to be a match for the other sannin in every regard.

ONOKI
Madara who states onoki to be the most problematic. Fought with multiple Complete Susano'o. He tanked the collision between the two Tengai Shinsei that seems to be Perfectly inelastic collision. The Tengai Shinsei calculated small country level+ https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Naruto_Revision_Calcs It is also stated he could vaporise Genbu the Turtle Island here's the calculation to that hypothetical which is small country level. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Webcamparrot/Onoki_and_Genbu

GAARA
Gara being a jinchuriki who scales to Gyüki and Mei also scaling to the other kage.
His sand was so strong that Raza thought Gaara was using the one tails. He was evenly matched with Gaara. Raza used to subdue the One tails.
Gaara had effective feats against Madara and Ms Saskue.

Akatsuki It's stated the the Akatsuki are as strong as the Jinchuriki in the databook who should all be small country level since they can injure Gyüki who has the durability to tank his own Bijuudama. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463881402598031371/582258187403788308/image0.png
V2 bijuu are as strong and can harm kcm1 Naruto.

HIDAN
Considered the biggest threat to konoha by the summary at the time. Relative to Kakashi. Who could fight 30% Itachi. So should be at least 30% of bijuu level. Also Kakazu considered Hidan unkillable so couldn’t physically get rid of him. Despite Hidan being susceptible to being chopped up and die from malnutrition.

DEIDARA
Deidara would've destroyed Sunagakure had Gaara not blocked it). He can use c0 that is calculated small country level. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dariel_Senju/C0_crater_calculation?comments_page=1This was done by a heavily weakened Deidara with hardly any chakra. He knows it’s diameter because he’s an analytical genius according to the databook. The fact base Hebi sasuke and manda survived despite getting hit by it means they scale and shows that Deidara’s attack wasn’t him at his strongest since he could scale above that weakened Hebi sasuke and fp.

SASORI
Sasori is stated Deidara's superior and defeated the 3rd Kazekage. The strongest Kazekage. Making him superior to raza who could subdue the one tails. Possessing the iron sand. The sand’s strongest weapon. Superior to the one tails.

KAKAZU
Kakazu Has defeated the 2 tails jinchuriki. During this he tanked a direct attack from the full 2 tails perfect jinchuriki and also tanked another attack that blew up the building they were in and destroyed a large portion of a mountain. For proof that kakuzu tanked it the panel following their battle displays a completely unharmed and uncaring kakuzu. He should scale to the bijuu since he doesn't rely on hax to beat his opponents and was selected to take out Bijuu. Also remember Naruto only beat him once he was fatigued and had lost hearts and durability negged by the rasenshuriken.

KONAN
Konan has paper explosions that are stronger than standard explosive tags, capable of injuring Obito someone whom Minato stated Naruto needed the full Nine Tail in order to defeat. She could most likely take out jinchuriki and Bijuu. Also even a smaller amount of paper bombs could harm Hidan who is part I kakashi level.

KISAME
Kisame is stated a tail beast without a tail so should be bijuu level straight of the bat in raw chakra and potency. He Matched and is comparable to Version 2 Killer B and absorbed most of his chakra with his Samehada). Without samehada, his transformation and misjudging 7th Gate Guy's Hirudora that dwarfs the island they’re on. And hurt Madara's susanoo ribcage with it. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111281524/5288109-afternoon tiger.jpghttps://m.imgur.com/1aPBIx2

ITACHI
Itachi scales above Deidara since he scales to or beyond Hebi Sasuke. Also he scales above Orchimaru who in part I couldn't beat teen Itachi. Kisame considers Itachi the stronger between them. And is afraid of facing MS Itachi in generations which is canon.
In Itachi midnight he forces a pact with Obito and both directly acknowledge eachothers power. Note both should have genjustu resistances to eachother and Itachi doesn’t have the Amaterasu yet so this is a contest of power.
Edo
He could match KCM Naruto and Killer B if not outclass them. With his Susano'o and Amaterasu one-shoted Edo Nagato. Who is stronger than the 6 paths of pain.
He is the stated to be someone who EMS sasuke had just reached.

PAIN
Pain fought v2 Saiken who should be comparable to the other v2 bijuu who could harm kcm1. Pain also fights Sage Mode Jiraiya and Naruto. The whole point of him at his group was to defeat and capture bijuu. He also fought partial transformation Naruto when pain was fatigued. As the Akatsuki leader should be at least relative to the other members. His chibaku Tensei was calculated small to normal country level. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...agato's_Chibaku_Tensei_&_Speed_&_Naruto's_FRS
Edo
As Nagato he could simultaneously fight KCM Naruto and Killer B if not outclass them. As well as fight Itachi.

OBITO
Obito was able to fight against Minato. Minato who could cut through Killer B's partial transformation and fought kurama. Who are small country level. It was stated that if Konoha were under a direct attack from Orochimaru, Minato would be the only one able to defeat him). Minato states Naruto needs the nine tails full power to beat him. Also that he’s a bigger threat than pain.

HEBI AND MS SASUKE
Ms Saskue fought some of the kage forcing the 4th Raikage to cut his arm of and fought killer B who he cut through when transformed into Gyüki. So should be small country level, since hebi saskue was potentially rivalling the Akatsuki.

JIRAIYA
Jiraiya who Pain stated that he would've lost to Jiraiya had he known the secret of the Rinnegan and came prepared for him and should scale to Tsunade. He was most likely in base when injured by 4 tailed Naruto since he wouldn't of had time to go into sage mode.

SAKURA
Sakura harmed Sasori. She oneshot one of Pain's centipede summons, which should be comparable to his other summons that have fought Gamaken, a frog who is comparable to Gamabunta, another frog who could fight Shukaku who is relative to Gyüki.
Pains summonings also restrict saiken the six tails v2.
She also surpassed Tsunade according to Hashirama in her base who should be small country level. She then rivals fatigued kcm 2 Naruto according to the guidebooks.
She then get stronger throughout the war arc but I’ll bring that up later.

MINATO
Minato in his base should be small country level. It was stated that if Konoha were under a direct attack from Orochimaru, Minato would be the only one able to defeat him). The 4th Raikage saw him as a rival. Who fought kurama.
7th Gate guy for reasons mentioned earlier.

This will reduce the gap between mountain/island level and multi continental so progression is more linear.

GUY
6th gate. He beat a 30% Kisame.
7th gate. His Hirudora dwarf an Island that Onoki mistook for normal land/country due to its size.
Higher scaling will be addressed later.

DARUI
Should scale to the 4th Raikage for fighting G and K.
Also he "mastered" his ninja tool which should put him above the Gokage according to the databook. Only with his tool however.

KAKASHI
Fights 30% Itachi.
Fights Hidan.
Fights Pain with mental amp.
Fights the v2 bijuu who he literally cuts.
Higher scaling will be addressed later.

Others
HANZO
MINFUNE
DANZO
 
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What kind of double standard is this???

Didn't everyone agree base naruto = sage kabuto purely because they exchanged a few blows

While here we have base guy not only exchanging blows but somewhat holding his own until he was at a disadvantage by being underwater thats when he decided to end it with a one shot

Just seems hypocritical to me
 
fandom_100th_Hokage said:
Start with potency
We know the bijuu are all relative to eachother since they can injure Gyüki who has the durability to tank his own Bijuudama. Who is currently small country level via this calculation. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Damage3245/Combined_Biju_Bomb_and_Individual_Biju_Bombs

PT1 OROCHIMARU
That he can destroy a country in the first databook via his destructive power alone. https://narutoversity.wordpress.com/first-databook-character-files/
Also he used to be apart of the Akatsuki who were tasked to defeat bijuu and are literally stated to be stronger than Jinchuriki.

PT1 HIRUZEN
Hiruzen can also physically push back kurama to outside the village who has Small Country level AP, he used Monkey King Enma to do this and this summoning can't grow weaker. Orochimaru can trade hits from it. Hiruzen states he is stronger than him. Hiruzen at this time was stated stronger than the other 4 Kage like the 4th Raikage who in his jounin days helped the third Raikage restrain the 8 tails. Even cutting off his horns etc. He is stated to have bijuu level chakra and could fight Killer B. Being Raikage means your the strongest in your village meaning he’s superior to Killer B.



4th RAIKAGE
Harmed 8 tails. Superior to MS Sasuke who fought killer B. As Raikage is the strongest in his village. Since that’s how the cloud functions.

TSUNADE
Tsunade is physical stronger than The 4th Raikage since she beat him in an arm wrestle and according to Madara, she surpasses A in physical strength and was able to break Madara's Susanoo ribcage.
She’s stated to be a match for the other sannin in every regard.

ONOKI
Madara who states onoki to be the most problematic. Fought with multiple Complete Susano'o. He tanked the collision between the two Tengai Shinsei that seems to be Perfectly inelastic collision. The Tengai Shinsei calculated small country level+ https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Naruto_Revision_Calcs It is also stated he could vaporise Genbu the Turtle Island here's the calculation to that hypothetical which is small country level. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Webcamparrot/Onoki_and_Genbu

GAARA
Gara being a jinchuriki who scales to Gyüki and Mei also scaling to the other kage.
His sand was so strong that Raza thought Gaara was using the one tails. He was evenly matched with Gaara. Raza used to subdue the One tails.
Gaara had effective feats against Madara and Ms Saskue.

Akatsuki It's stated the the Akatsuki are as strong as the Jinchuriki in the databook who should all be small country level since they can injure Gyüki who has the durability to tank his own Bijuudama. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463881402598031371/582258187403788308/image0.png
V2 bijuu are as strong and can harm kcm1 Naruto.

HIDAN
Considered the biggest threat to konoha by the summary at the time. Relative to Kakashi. Who could fight 30% Itachi. So should be at least 30% of bijuu level. Also Kakazu considered Hidan unkillable so couldn’t physically get rid of him. Despite Hidan being susceptible to being chopped up and die from malnutrition.

DEIDARA
Deidara would've destroyed Sunagakure had Gaara not blocked it). He can use c0 that is calculated small country level. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dariel_Senju/C0_crater_calculation?comments_page=1This was done by a heavily weakened Deidara with hardly any chakra. He knows it’s diameter because he’s an analytical genius according to the databook. The fact base Hebi sasuke and manda survived despite getting hit by it means they scale and shows that Deidara’s attack wasn’t him at his strongest since he could scale above that weakened Hebi sasuke and fp.

SASORI
Sasori is stated Deidara's superior and defeated the 3rd Kazekage. The strongest Kazekage. Making him superior to raza who could subdue the one tails. Possessing the iron sand. The sand’s strongest weapon. Superior to the one tails.

KAKAZU
Kakazu Has defeated the 2 tails jinchuriki. During this he tanked a direct attack from the full 2 tails perfect jinchuriki and also tanked another attack that blew up the building they were in and destroyed a large portion of a mountain. For proof that kakuzu tanked it the panel following their battle displays a completely unharmed and uncaring kakuzu. He should scale to the bijuu since he doesn't rely on hax to beat his opponents and was selected to take out Bijuu. Also remember Naruto only beat him once he was fatigued and had lost hearts and durability negged by the rasenshuriken.

KONAN
Konan has paper explosions that are stronger than standard explosive tags, capable of injuring Obito someone whom Minato stated Naruto needed the full Nine Tail in order to defeat. She could most likely take out jinchuriki and Bijuu. Also even a smaller amount of paper bombs could harm Hidan who is part I kakashi level.

KISAME
Kisame is stated a tail beast without a tail so should be bijuu level straight of the bat in raw chakra and potency. He Matched and is comparable to Version 2 Killer B and absorbed most of his chakra with his Samehada). Without samehada, his transformation and misjudging 7th Gate Guy's Hirudora that dwarfs the island they’re on. And hurt Madara's susanoo ribcage with it. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111281524/5288109-afternoon tiger.jpghttps://m.imgur.com/1aPBIx2

ITACHI
Itachi scales above Deidara since he scales to or beyond Hebi Sasuke. Also he scales above Orchimaru who in part I couldn't beat teen Itachi. Kisame considers Itachi the stronger between them. And is afraid of facing MS Itachi in generations which is canon.
In Itachi midnight he forces a pact with Obito and both directly acknowledge eachothers power. Note both should have genjustu resistances to eachother and Itachi doesn’t have the Amaterasu yet so this is a contest of power.
Edo
He could match KCM Naruto and Killer B if not outclass them. With his Susano'o and Amaterasu one-shoted Edo Nagato. Who is stronger than the 6 paths of pain.
He is the stated to be someone who EMS sasuke had just reached.

PAIN
Pain fought v2 Saiken who should be comparable to the other v2 bijuu who could harm kcm1. Pain also fights Sage Mode Jiraiya and Naruto. The whole point of him at his group was to defeat and capture bijuu. He also fought partial transformation Naruto when pain was fatigued. As the Akatsuki leader should be at least relative to the other members. His chibaku Tensei was calculated small to normal country level. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...agato's_Chibaku_Tensei_&_Speed_&_Naruto's_FRS
Edo
As Nagato he could simultaneously fight KCM Naruto and Killer B if not outclass them. As well as fight Itachi.

OBITO
Obito was able to fight against Minato. Minato who could cut through Killer B's partial transformation and fought kurama. Who are small country level. It was stated that if Konoha were under a direct attack from Orochimaru, Minato would be the only one able to defeat him). Minato states Naruto needs the nine tails full power to beat him. Also that he’s a bigger threat than pain.

HEBI AND MS SASUKE
Ms Saskue fought some of the kage forcing the 4th Raikage to cut his arm of and fought killer B who he cut through when transformed into Gyüki. So should be small country level, since hebi saskue was potentially rivalling the Akatsuki.

JIRAIYA
Jiraiya who Pain stated that he would've lost to Jiraiya had he known the secret of the Rinnegan and came prepared for him and should scale to Tsunade. He was most likely in base when injured by 4 tailed Naruto since he wouldn't of had time to go into sage mode.

SAKURA
Sakura harmed Sasori. She oneshot one of Pain's centipede summons, which should be comparable to his other summons that have fought Gamaken, a frog who is comparable to Gamabunta, another frog who could fight Shukaku who is relative to Gyüki.
Pains summonings also restrict saiken the six tails v2.
She also surpassed Tsunade according to Hashirama in her base who should be small country level. She then rivals fatigued kcm 2 Naruto according to the guidebooks.
She then get stronger throughout the war arc but I’ll bring that up later.

MINATO
Minato in his base should be small country level. It was stated that if Konoha were under a direct attack from Orochimaru, Minato would be the only one able to defeat him). The 4th Raikage saw him as a rival. Who fought kurama.
7th Gate guy for reasons mentioned earlier.

This will reduce the gap between mountain/island level and multi continental so progression is more linear.

GUY
6th gate. He beat a 30% Kisame.
7th gate. His Hirudora dwarf an Island that Onoki mistook for normal land/country due to its size.
Higher scaling will be addressed later.

DARUI
Should scale to the 4th Raikage for fighting G and K.
Also he "mastered" his ninja tool which should put him above the Gokage according to the databook. Only with his tool however.

KAKASHI
Fights 30% Itachi.
Fights Hidan.
Fights Pain with mental amp.
Fights the v2 bijuu who he literally cuts.
Higher scaling will be addressed later.

Others
HANZO
MINFUNE
DANZO
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Theres so many things wrong with this that dont even know where to start and honestly cbf listing everyone single of them. But i will simplify my point.

Only the strongest kages like 3rd raikage for example can be scaled to bijju level

In akatsuki only the strongest get scaled to bijju like pain and kisama not charcaters sasori or dediera
 
Deako97 said:
Theres so many things wrong with this that dont even know where to start and honestly cbf listing everyone single of them. But i will simplify my point.

Only the strongest kages like 3rd raikage for example can be scaled to bijju level

In akatsuki only the strongest get scaled to bijju like pain and kisama not charcaters sasori or dediera
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Wasn't it stated that each Kage, (with the exception of Hashirama) were stated to surpass the previous Kage? Also Sasori and Deidara? Didn't Deidara beat the 3 Tails who is Island level? And didn't Deidara state that Sasori was stronger than him?
 
You've presented so many horribly wrong arguments that it would take far too long to try and go through them all.

For now we're going to focus on scaling the characters we're currently working on from the beginning of Shippuden. You can please leave all of your Biju scaling for a later time.
 
I'm not against the scaling, just saying why the discussion of Bijuu scaling started when we're discussing Kisame and 6-7th Gates Guy.
 
Can y’all not talk about Bijuus? we can talk about that AFTER we are done talking about the current arc we are going through
 
Deako97 said:
Theres so many things wrong with this that dont even know where to start and honestly cbf listing everyone single of them. But i will simplify my point.

Only the strongest kages like 3rd raikage for example can be scaled to bijju level

In akatsuki only the strongest get scaled to bijju like pain and kisama not charcaters sasori or dediera
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No there’s nothing inherently wrong dude it’s just pure incredulity. The 4th Raikage literally fought alongside the 3rd as a jounin and the 4th literally physically cut the 8 tails horn.
He is literally the strongest in his village. Its directly stated the strongest ninja becomes Raikage. So he’s beyond B who’s a perfect jinchuriki.
The 4th Raikage is actually stated the strongest in his village twice more. I can’t make this up lol.
Meaning he’s stronger than the 8 tails who also resides there.
 
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RanaProGamer said:
Wasn't it stated that each Kage, (with the exception of Hashirama) were stated to surpass the previous Kage? Also Sasori and Deidara? Didn't Deidara beat the 3 Tails who is Island level? And didn't Deidara state that Sasori was stronger than him?
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Minato nor tsuande dont have any feats that put them on prime hiruzen level. Same with prime hiruzen to tobirama.

Tobirama scared the shit out of everyone including hirzuen and mintao by lifting his finger.

Theres no way garra is stronger than the previous kazekages. He barley beat his father even when the former kages were helping the alliance force and garra had help from others.

4th raiakge has no feats or statements that put him above his father who stalemate the 8 tails. Theres little info on the 1st and 2nd raikage

Same thing with 1st and 3rd mizukage nothing is known about them. Base 4th mizkage is weak and needed 3 tails chakra to beat itachi and juzo as shown in the anime. Mei and chojo dont have much feats that put them 2nd mizukage who killed the 2nd rock kage but also died himself.

Nothing is known about 1st rock kage ability/powet wise. And we dont know how strong prime 3rd rock kage was compared to his current self in shippuden

3 tails getting knocked out by those small bombs is considered and outlier compared to his other feats in the 4th war
 
Damage3245 said:
You've presented so many horribly wrong arguments that it would take far too long to try and go through them all.

For now we're going to focus on scaling the characters we're currently working on from the beginning of Shippuden. You can please leave all of your Biju scaling for a later time.
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Not really. This argument been suggested before and nobody was able defeat it when noodles suggested it. But as per usual the mods used ignorance no jutsu to force it away.
 
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fandom_100th_Hokage said:
No there’s nothing inherently wrong dude it’s just pure incredulity. The 4th Raikage literally fought alongside the 3rd as a jounin and the 4th literally physically cut the 8 tails horn.
He is literally the strongest in his village. Its directly stated the strongest ninja becomes Raikage. So he’s beyond B who’s a perfect jinchuriki.
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The 3rd raiakge stalemate with the 8 tails. You cant compare cutting a horn off to actually stalemating with a bijju

Killer bee over powered 4th raiakge we literatlly see this




This is base killer bee whose not even using any 8 tails chakra
 
@Deako97; yeah, the kind of scaling that is being suggested further up the thread, we'd end up with Killer B > Eight-Tails which makes no sense.
 
Outlier everwhere. Base Killer B overpowers A4 in lighting chakra mode omg. You don't need to have higher AP than someone to beat them in Naruto, in some cases.
 
Deako97 said:
The 3rd raiakge stalemate with the 8 tails. You cant compare cutting a horn off to actually stalemating with a bijju

Killer bee over powered 4th raiakge we literatlly see this




This is base killer bee whose not even using any 8 tails chakra
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However they can still be relative lol. That’s the argument. If I can harm someone or in this case the eight tails. My ap is relative to its durability. Such an easy concept. Overpowering someone in physical strength doesn’t necessarily mean that you’d win a fight. THE 4TH RAIKAGE IS STATED TO HAVE THE BEST COMBAT ABILITY IN THE VILLAGE. So if he is relative in ap he could have better fighting techniques and other fighting related stats that make him superior to B. But factually they are relative in stats.
since you can still be stronger and be relative. So the 4th Raikage would still be in Killer b’s range and tier of power. Hence Low 6-B.
 
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