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LOL no goku only resisted the heat of the stars surface and how hot was that's star surface is? natsu fire is hotter than the sun core you can see in the profile
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LOL no goku only resisted the heat of the stars surface and how hot was that's star surface is? natsu fire is hotter than the sun core you can see in the profile
His aura temperature depends the form his in so yea and also it's 200 mil cel it's in his profile when his in PEAK BASEHot enough to melt stone, iron, so on and so forth.
He Aura doesn't scale to his direct application. The profile doesn't state that his Passive heat is 200 mil, again that's his direct application temp.His aura temperature depends the form his in so yea and also it's 200 mil cel it's in his profile when his in PEAK BASE
Depending which form he use his aura heat will go hot as well it's been proven when he turned into FDKM and E.N.D he straight up vaporized an entire lake and when he turned into E.N.D. just by walking he burned every unconscious avlan soldiers around him so wdym?He Aura doesn't scale to his direct application. The profile doesn't state that his Passive heat is 200 mil, again that's his direct application temp.
Don't try to pull this card either with me since I've already had this discussion with Mitch, and even he said his Passive heat isn't that hot.
That not any indication of his Passive heat being 200 mil. His form is irrelevant, none of his keys have 200 mil degree heat passively.Depending which form he use his aura heat will go hot as well it's been proven when he turned into FDKM and E.N.D he straight up vaporized an entire lake and when he turned into E.N.D. just by walking he burned every unconscious avlan soldiers around him so wdym?
Pretty sure that goku can only read mind via touching and well yeah....Okay, after looking through both profiles, I believe Goku takes this.
Both have their own ways of increasing their stats, so that's not really a point that needs to be discussed, it's a neutral ground,
Still, Goku is far more skilled than Natsu will ever be, being able to predict teleportation just by analysis, and had far more versatile ranged option, being able to change the trajectory of his Kamehameha attacks. Natsu is not hitting Goku anytime soon, neither is he dodging properly. Goku can also use Kiai attacks, which are invisible, can Natsu track energy? Ki isn't verse equalized to Magic.
"Oh, but he can't destroy the building",
Ki control. Goku won't destroy the building.
Sorry, this whole "Natsu has fire attacks, and they burn a lot, therefore he should win" just sounds like a god awful win condition, especially when Goku has so many ways of dealing with this.
Goku has skill options such as the Zanzoken to throw Natsu off, Taiyoken to blind Natsu, Telekinesis to help him fight, Goku can also read minds, further helping with his Limited Precognition.
Overall, I believe Goku just has the versatility to overcome Natsu, even with his Dragon Force making him 4x faster, Goku's flight, precognition, and better ranged option (as well as skill hax) should allow him to have the edge.
I don't think he wins everytime, but he is more likely to win than not.
That's... Isn't that a MASSIVE advantage?changed it to goku
goku is 13.4608030593 yottatons
Literally any serious natsu atack that has fire will desintrigate gokuThat's... Isn't that a MASSIVE advantage?
Goku would curbstomp Natsu at the beginning of the fight.
Natsu: >>2.7 Yottatons
Goku: 13.45 Yottatons
That's a 5x advantage, Jesus Christ.
Woah what? I didn't realize. This is way in Goku's favor. I thought it was a 2x advantage or smth. Natsu can't even enter dragon force at will.That's... Isn't that a MASSIVE advantage?
Goku would curbstomp Natsu at the beginning of the fight.
Natsu: >>2.7 Yottatons
Goku: 13.45 Yottatons
That's a 5x advantage, Jesus Christ.
Uhhh, yeah no. Natsu's Fire even with its temperature doesn't go around vaporizing opponents. Characters have been exposed to direct exposure of his fire and weren't vaporized.Literally any serious natsu atack that has fire will desintrigate goku
Wait what??? then why does natsu have the millon degree in his profile???Uhhh, yeah no. Natsu's Fire even with its temperature doesn't go around vaporizing opponents. Characters have been exposed to direct exposure of his fire and weren't vaporized.
It would definitely burn the **** out of him but to say that it would vaporize him is wrong.
He can if his aura doesn't have 200 mil his fire does he control the temperature of his it's stated in the profileUhhh, yeah no. Natsu's Fire even with its temperature doesn't go around vaporizing opponents. Characters have been exposed to direct exposure of his fire and weren't vaporized.
It would definitely burn the **** out of him but to say that it would vaporize him is wrong.
Natsu who isn't a master swordsman, copied Suzaku's swordmanship and matched his skill with it. Natsu copies the moves he sees along with the skill of the opponent. Plus I don't see resistance to Power mimicry on Goku's profile so...That's not how that works. Having the same martial arts doesn't mean you use it as effectively, Goku still skill stomps, also Analytical Prediction is cracked if Natsu doesn't have an equivalent.
Natsu has fought and beaten people like Zeref who have way better precog than Raditz fight goku.Slightly disagree on that, though. Goku senses can track one's movement regardless if he sees them or not, so the advantage shouldn't be that expressive, Goku's limited precognition should also give him an edge.
First of all that's Post Sayian Saga Goku, which isn't the same as Raditz Goku. Second he was worried about surface sun temperature which is like 30 thousand times cooler than Natsu's Flames, if he gets hit by them he's gonna get severally burned.
What Stamina feats does goku have at this point in the series?So does Goku, although not as much as Natsu. Again, the advantage is not massive at all.
Even Pre timeskip Gray and Loki could deal with Teleportation, and current Natsu is far more skilled than them. Natsu can do the same with his fire.Still, Goku is far more skilled than Natsu will ever be, being able to predict teleportation just by analysis, and had far more versatile ranged option, being able to change the trajectory of his Kamehameha attacks.
Natsu has danger sense which would tell him to dodge out of the way.Natsu is not hitting Goku anytime soon, neither is he dodging properly. Goku can also use Kiai attacks, which are invisible, can Natsu track energy? Ki isn't verse equalized to Magic.
After images won't do much as Natsu can just use his other senses to find Goku same thing for blindness, TK is useless here as Natsu has a LS advantage. Natsu can turn off his brain and fight on instinct alone, which makes this useless as well.Goku has skill options such as the Zanzoken to throw Natsu off, Taiyoken to blind Natsu, Telekinesis to help him fight, Goku can also read minds, further helping with his Limited Precognition.
Flight is useless as they're inside a building, Natsu also has a bit of precog himself, Natsu having a 4x speed advantage means he's near blitz territory on Goku and has senses that can fight characters that can blitz him FTE. Goku's gonna get tagged given the restrictive space their in.Overall, I believe Goku just has the versatility to overcome Natsu, even with his Dragon Force making him 4x faster, Goku's flight, precognition, and better ranged option (as well as skill hax) should allow him to have the edge.
I respectfully disagree, and believe that Natsu takes this.I don't think he wins everytime, but he is more likely to win than not.
Natsu can't do thisOh also what stopping natsu TO LITERALLY BURN THE CONCEPT OF KI of goku????
he can't burn the concept of the ki rather burn the ki insteadNatsu can't do this
His fire can interact with and attack ethernanos, shadows, and conceptual time itselfNatsu can't do this
Nope. Suzaku's swordmanship has little to no on-screen accomplishments. Natsu has never been shown to copy anything remotely close to Goku's level of skill, therefore he is not capable of doing so. Saying otherwise is NLF.Natsu who isn't a master swordsman, copied Suzaku's swordmanship and matched his skill with it. Natsu copies the moves he sees along with the skill of the opponent. Plus I don't see resistance to Power mimicry on Goku's profile so...
That doesn't mean it's not an advantageNatsu has fought and beaten people like Zeref who have way better precog than Raditz fight goku.
Resistances aren't influenced by PS unless they're shown to be due to sheer power.First of all that's Post Sayian Saga Goku, which isn't the same as Raditz Goku.
Can fight with holes in body, three of his limbs broken, and internal injuries in his chest.What Stamina feats does goku have at this point in the series?
That doesn't mean it's not an advantage. You're using false equivalency here, they deal with the hax their own way, Goku dealt with it with Precognition, which is notable for this fight.Even Pre timeskip Gray and Loki could deal with Teleportation, and current Natsu is far more skilled than them. Natsu can do the same with his fire.
Fair nuff, what does he do against an omnidirectional Kiai?Natsu has danger sense which would tell him to dodge out of the way.
Zanzoken can trick people who can sense energy,After images won't do much as Natsu can just use his other senses to find Goku same thing for blindness.
He doesn't.Natsu also has a bit of precog himself
Goku has ways to deal with that, as explained., Natsu having a 4x speed advantage means he's near blitz territory on Goku and has senses that can fight characters that can blitz him FTE. Goku's gonna get tagged given the restrictive space their in.
Perhaps I misunderstood, the way you said it seemed like you meant that Natsu could burn the concept of KI itself, which is something he can't do, but he should reasonably be able to powernull his KI blasts just fine.His fire can interact with and attack ethernanos, shadows, and conceptual time itself
He can burn time itself and CM2, why couldnt he burn something far more simple like energy
No Limits Fallacy. Concepts are scalable, concepts are complex on their own. Being able to burn ONE concept does not equal being able to burn any concept.His fire can interact with and attack ethernanos, shadows, and conceptual time itself
He can burn time itself and CM2, why couldnt he burn something far more simple like energy
aren't***** ****.No Limits Fallacy. Concepts are scalable, concepts are complex on their own. Being able to burn ONE concept does not equal being able to burn any concept.
Well just cause it can trick people who can sense energy that doesn't mean that it'll trick those with extremely sensitive and enhanced senses... unless I'm wrong?Zanzoken can trick people who can sense energy,
Taiyoken can still throw people who can sense energy off long enough.
I mean, yeah?Well just cause it can trick people who can sense energy that doesn't mean that it'll trick those with extremely sensitive and enhanced senses... unless I'm wrong?
Even if Natsu can't copy Goku's level of skill, it really doesn't matter. Natsu has Info Analysis which would tell allow Natsu to recognize Goku's movement patterns adn respond with an appropriate counter.Nope. Suzaku's swordmanship has little to no on-screen accomplishments. Natsu has never been shown to copy anything remotely close to Goku's level of skill, therefore he is not capable of doing so. Saying otherwise is NLF.
Again doesn't really matter given he'd take insane amounts of damage due to the massive temp differenceResistances aren't influenced by PS unless they're shown to be due to sheer power.
Fair enoughCan fight with holes in body, three of his limbs broken, and internal injuries in his chest.
He does have it, but it doesn't work on people faster than him, which isn't an issue in this fight as he has the speed advanatgeNatsu doesn't have precognition because it's not on his profile.
PowernullFair nuff, what does he do against an omnidirectional Kiai?
Natsu's senses are Natural, unless they can affect things like super hearing and smell then they're useless against him.Zanzoken can trick people who can sense energy,
Taiyoken can still throw people who can sense energy off long enough.
He does, check again. It's in the middle of the page near Info analysis.He doesn't.
Man if what you say was true, then like 70% of strongest smurf should be kickedNo Limits Fallacy. Concepts are scalable, concepts are complex on their own. Being able to burn ONE concept does not equal being able to burn any concept.
Goku's movement patterns can adept and change. Also this implies Goku will get hits in, which would damage Natau BEYOND reasonable comeback.Even if Natsu can't copy Goku's level of skill, it really doesn't matter. Natsu has Info Analysis which would tell allow Natsu to recognize Goku's movement patterns adn respond with an appropriate counter.
Fair 'nuffAgain doesn't really matter given he'd take insane amounts of damage due to the massive temp difference.
Again, it's limited.He does have it, but it doesn't work on people faster than him, which isn't an issue in this fight as he has the speed advanatge
Kiai is an invisible gust of wind, he can't powernull that.Powernull
It tricked Goku's super sense of smell when used against him. Hearing is the weird part, each after image is able to talk and make sounds.Natsu's senses are Natural, unless they can affect things like super hearing and smell then they're useless against him.
Fair. It's limited, has he ever used it in a 1v1 fight? Goku's isn't limited, so he should still have an edge regardless of the answer.He does, check again. It's in the middle of the page near Info analysis.
No really.... he can hit goku because he has several kilometres in rangeNatsu: 6 votes
Goku: 3 votes
Natsu is dangerously close to grace given his reasoning is "fire attack goes brrrrr" when it's not hitting Goku anytime soon.