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Yeah, I also disagree with Natsu copying Goku's Martial Arts. Goku is hilarious more skilled than anything Natsu has shown, Natsu would need feats of copying something on the skill level of Goku.


Like Natsu very clearly isn't copying every Martial arts from characters like Kenshiro, Baki, Ohma or Goku unless he has skill feats comparable to them. At best he can body skills on the level of Suzuka.
 
I see. Well toei Goku can tank lightning and chill next to a red giant star so i think he's fine.
Goku also has many ways to avoid natsu's fire. He was able to dodge nukes point blank and move fte to those who can track fte. He's also more skilled than dudes who can skill stomp master martial artist without getting tagged.
 
His aura temperature depends the form his in so yea and also it's 200 mil cel it's in his profile when his in PEAK BASE
He Aura doesn't scale to his direct application. The profile doesn't state that his Passive heat is 200 mil, again that's his direct application temp.

Don't try to pull this card either with me since I've already had this discussion with Mitch, and even he said his Passive heat isn't that hot.
 
He Aura doesn't scale to his direct application. The profile doesn't state that his Passive heat is 200 mil, again that's his direct application temp.

Don't try to pull this card either with me since I've already had this discussion with Mitch, and even he said his Passive heat isn't that hot.
Depending which form he use his aura heat will go hot as well it's been proven when he turned into FDKM and E.N.D he straight up vaporized an entire lake and when he turned into E.N.D. just by walking he burned every unconscious avlan soldiers around him so wdym?
 
Depending which form he use his aura heat will go hot as well it's been proven when he turned into FDKM and E.N.D he straight up vaporized an entire lake and when he turned into E.N.D. just by walking he burned every unconscious avlan soldiers around him so wdym?
That not any indication of his Passive heat being 200 mil. His form is irrelevant, none of his keys have 200 mil degree heat passively.


Once again, this literal guy who ******* put the shit into his profile even said so. Sorry but your literally making shit up here mate.
 
Okay, after looking through both profiles, I believe Goku takes this.

Both have their own ways of increasing their stats, so that's not really a point that needs to be discussed, it's a neutral ground,

Still, Goku is far more skilled than Natsu will ever be, being able to predict teleportation just by analysis, and had far more versatile ranged option, being able to change the trajectory of his Kamehameha attacks. Natsu is not hitting Goku anytime soon, neither is he dodging properly. Goku can also use Kiai attacks, which are invisible, can Natsu track energy? Ki isn't verse equalized to Magic.

"Oh, but he can't destroy the building",
Ki control. Goku won't destroy the building.

Sorry, this whole "Natsu has fire attacks, and they burn a lot, therefore he should win" just sounds like a god awful win condition, especially when Goku has so many ways of dealing with this.


Goku has skill options such as the Zanzoken to throw Natsu off, Taiyoken to blind Natsu, Telekinesis to help him fight, Goku can also read minds, further helping with his Limited Precognition.


Overall, I believe Goku just has the versatility to overcome Natsu, even with his Dragon Force making him 4x faster, Goku's flight, precognition, and better ranged option (as well as skill hax) should allow him to have the edge.

I don't think he wins everytime, but he is more likely to win than not.
 
Okay, after looking through both profiles, I believe Goku takes this.

Both have their own ways of increasing their stats, so that's not really a point that needs to be discussed, it's a neutral ground,

Still, Goku is far more skilled than Natsu will ever be, being able to predict teleportation just by analysis, and had far more versatile ranged option, being able to change the trajectory of his Kamehameha attacks. Natsu is not hitting Goku anytime soon, neither is he dodging properly. Goku can also use Kiai attacks, which are invisible, can Natsu track energy? Ki isn't verse equalized to Magic.

"Oh, but he can't destroy the building",
Ki control. Goku won't destroy the building.

Sorry, this whole "Natsu has fire attacks, and they burn a lot, therefore he should win" just sounds like a god awful win condition, especially when Goku has so many ways of dealing with this.


Goku has skill options such as the Zanzoken to throw Natsu off, Taiyoken to blind Natsu, Telekinesis to help him fight, Goku can also read minds, further helping with his Limited Precognition.


Overall, I believe Goku just has the versatility to overcome Natsu, even with his Dragon Force making him 4x faster, Goku's flight, precognition, and better ranged option (as well as skill hax) should allow him to have the edge.

I don't think he wins everytime, but he is more likely to win than not.
Pretty sure that goku can only read mind via touching and well yeah....
 
That's... Isn't that a MASSIVE advantage?
Goku would curbstomp Natsu at the beginning of the fight.

Natsu: >>2.7 Yottatons
Goku: 13.45 Yottatons

That's a 5x advantage, Jesus Christ.
Woah what? I didn't realize. This is way in Goku's favor. I thought it was a 2x advantage or smth. Natsu can't even enter dragon force at will.
 
Literally any serious natsu atack that has fire will desintrigate goku
Uhhh, yeah no. Natsu's Fire even with its temperature doesn't go around vaporizing opponents. Characters have been exposed to direct exposure of his fire and weren't vaporized.


It would definitely burn the **** out of him but to say that it would vaporize him is wrong.
 
Uhhh, yeah no. Natsu's Fire even with its temperature doesn't go around vaporizing opponents. Characters have been exposed to direct exposure of his fire and weren't vaporized.


It would definitely burn the **** out of him but to say that it would vaporize him is wrong.
Wait what??? then why does natsu have the millon degree in his profile???
 
Uhhh, yeah no. Natsu's Fire even with its temperature doesn't go around vaporizing opponents. Characters have been exposed to direct exposure of his fire and weren't vaporized.


It would definitely burn the **** out of him but to say that it would vaporize him is wrong.
He can if his aura doesn't have 200 mil his fire does he control the temperature of his it's stated in the profile
 
That's not how that works. Having the same martial arts doesn't mean you use it as effectively, Goku still skill stomps, also Analytical Prediction is cracked if Natsu doesn't have an equivalent.
Natsu who isn't a master swordsman, copied Suzaku's swordmanship and matched his skill with it. Natsu copies the moves he sees along with the skill of the opponent. Plus I don't see resistance to Power mimicry on Goku's profile so...
Slightly disagree on that, though. Goku senses can track one's movement regardless if he sees them or not, so the advantage shouldn't be that expressive, Goku's limited precognition should also give him an edge.
Natsu has fought and beaten people like Zeref who have way better precog than Raditz fight goku.
First of all that's Post Sayian Saga Goku, which isn't the same as Raditz Goku. Second he was worried about surface sun temperature which is like 30 thousand times cooler than Natsu's Flames, if he gets hit by them he's gonna get severally burned.
So does Goku, although not as much as Natsu. Again, the advantage is not massive at all.
What Stamina feats does goku have at this point in the series?
Still, Goku is far more skilled than Natsu will ever be, being able to predict teleportation just by analysis, and had far more versatile ranged option, being able to change the trajectory of his Kamehameha attacks.
Even Pre timeskip Gray and Loki could deal with Teleportation, and current Natsu is far more skilled than them. Natsu can do the same with his fire.
Natsu is not hitting Goku anytime soon, neither is he dodging properly. Goku can also use Kiai attacks, which are invisible, can Natsu track energy? Ki isn't verse equalized to Magic.
Natsu has danger sense which would tell him to dodge out of the way.
Goku has skill options such as the Zanzoken to throw Natsu off, Taiyoken to blind Natsu, Telekinesis to help him fight, Goku can also read minds, further helping with his Limited Precognition.
After images won't do much as Natsu can just use his other senses to find Goku same thing for blindness, TK is useless here as Natsu has a LS advantage. Natsu can turn off his brain and fight on instinct alone, which makes this useless as well.
Overall, I believe Goku just has the versatility to overcome Natsu, even with his Dragon Force making him 4x faster, Goku's flight, precognition, and better ranged option (as well as skill hax) should allow him to have the edge.
Flight is useless as they're inside a building, Natsu also has a bit of precog himself, Natsu having a 4x speed advantage means he's near blitz territory on Goku and has senses that can fight characters that can blitz him FTE. Goku's gonna get tagged given the restrictive space their in.
I don't think he wins everytime, but he is more likely to win than not.
I respectfully disagree, and believe that Natsu takes this.
 
Anyway voting natsu because stupid fire, and would be able to literally burn every KI atack of goku giving him a big advantage
 
Natsu who isn't a master swordsman, copied Suzaku's swordmanship and matched his skill with it. Natsu copies the moves he sees along with the skill of the opponent. Plus I don't see resistance to Power mimicry on Goku's profile so...
Nope. Suzaku's swordmanship has little to no on-screen accomplishments. Natsu has never been shown to copy anything remotely close to Goku's level of skill, therefore he is not capable of doing so. Saying otherwise is NLF.
Natsu has fought and beaten people like Zeref who have way better precog than Raditz fight goku.
That doesn't mean it's not an advantage 👍
First of all that's Post Sayian Saga Goku, which isn't the same as Raditz Goku.
Resistances aren't influenced by PS unless they're shown to be due to sheer power.
What Stamina feats does goku have at this point in the series?
Can fight with holes in body, three of his limbs broken, and internal injuries in his chest.
Even Pre timeskip Gray and Loki could deal with Teleportation, and current Natsu is far more skilled than them. Natsu can do the same with his fire.
That doesn't mean it's not an advantage. You're using false equivalency here, they deal with the hax their own way, Goku dealt with it with Precognition, which is notable for this fight.
Natsu doesn't have precognition because it's not on his profile.
Natsu has danger sense which would tell him to dodge out of the way.
Fair nuff, what does he do against an omnidirectional Kiai?
After images won't do much as Natsu can just use his other senses to find Goku same thing for blindness.
Zanzoken can trick people who can sense energy,
Taiyoken can still throw people who can sense energy off long enough.
Natsu also has a bit of precog himself
He doesn't.
, Natsu having a 4x speed advantage means he's near blitz territory on Goku and has senses that can fight characters that can blitz him FTE. Goku's gonna get tagged given the restrictive space their in.
Goku has ways to deal with that, as explained.
 
His fire can interact with and attack ethernanos, shadows, and conceptual time itself

He can burn time itself and CM2, why couldnt he burn something far more simple like energy
Perhaps I misunderstood, the way you said it seemed like you meant that Natsu could burn the concept of KI itself, which is something he can't do, but he should reasonably be able to powernull his KI blasts just fine.
 
Zanzoken can trick people who can sense energy,
Taiyoken can still throw people who can sense energy off long enough.
Well just cause it can trick people who can sense energy that doesn't mean that it'll trick those with extremely sensitive and enhanced senses... unless I'm wrong?
 
Well just cause it can trick people who can sense energy that doesn't mean that it'll trick those with extremely sensitive and enhanced senses... unless I'm wrong?
I mean, yeah?
If it tricks people who can sense where the opponent is 100% of the time, it wouldn't be any different for enhanced senses.
Also, it's entirely possible that Zanzoken makes his Chi appear in each after-image.
 
Just gonna post this. Natsu has no chance against Goku's skill level.
Man already surpasses master martial artists when he was 15. And can learn techniques that master martial artists took years to learn. He also basically creates techniques and entire martial arts on the spot and improves on them. Man is so skilled that he views master martial artist that skill stomp master martial artists as fodder. He can keep up with dudes many times fte to himself and even move that fast against opponents comparable to him.
Nothing I saw from fairy tail comes close to that.
 
Nope. Suzaku's swordmanship has little to no on-screen accomplishments. Natsu has never been shown to copy anything remotely close to Goku's level of skill, therefore he is not capable of doing so. Saying otherwise is NLF.
Even if Natsu can't copy Goku's level of skill, it really doesn't matter. Natsu has Info Analysis which would tell allow Natsu to recognize Goku's movement patterns adn respond with an appropriate counter.
Resistances aren't influenced by PS unless they're shown to be due to sheer power.
Again doesn't really matter given he'd take insane amounts of damage due to the massive temp difference
Can fight with holes in body, three of his limbs broken, and internal injuries in his chest.
Fair enough
Natsu doesn't have precognition because it's not on his profile.
He does have it, but it doesn't work on people faster than him, which isn't an issue in this fight as he has the speed advanatge
Fair nuff, what does he do against an omnidirectional Kiai?
Powernull
Zanzoken can trick people who can sense energy,
Taiyoken can still throw people who can sense energy off long enough.
Natsu's senses are Natural, unless they can affect things like super hearing and smell then they're useless against him.
He doesn't.
He does, check again. It's in the middle of the page near Info analysis.
 
Natsu: 6 votes
Goku: 3 votes

Natsu is dangerously close to grace given his reasoning is "fire attack goes brrrrr" when it's not hitting Goku anytime soon.
 
Skill is a wanked thing, like it doesn't mean you can avoid literally everything the opponent can throw out.

Although in this case I feel like Natsu's information analysis wouldn't do that much since it just tells him about shit like footing.
 
cause the votes came before yall came in and argued

if i hadnt had called yall this would've just been a fra train with no debate 😐😐
 
Even if Natsu can't copy Goku's level of skill, it really doesn't matter. Natsu has Info Analysis which would tell allow Natsu to recognize Goku's movement patterns adn respond with an appropriate counter.
Goku's movement patterns can adept and change. Also this implies Goku will get hits in, which would damage Natau BEYOND reasonable comeback.
Again doesn't really matter given he'd take insane amounts of damage due to the massive temp difference.
Fair 'nuff
He does have it, but it doesn't work on people faster than him, which isn't an issue in this fight as he has the speed advanatge
Again, it's limited.
Powernull
Kiai is an invisible gust of wind, he can't powernull that.
Natsu's senses are Natural, unless they can affect things like super hearing and smell then they're useless against him.
It tricked Goku's super sense of smell when used against him. Hearing is the weird part, each after image is able to talk and make sounds.
He does, check again. It's in the middle of the page near Info analysis.
Fair. It's limited, has he ever used it in a 1v1 fight? Goku's isn't limited, so he should still have an edge regardless of the answer.
 
Voting son Goku.
Goku is the same man capable of matching and surpassing a dude who consistently avoided roshi from touching him for 3 years straight. Goku can also read air currents to read people's moves, is easuly able to read a master assassin's entire moveset just by briefly throwing hands. And predict as well as detect afterimages that fool people who can already detect and predict after images.
I just don't see natsu hitting Goku in a vital consistently. However natsu can definitely win. 1 fire attack and Goku turns into a fillet mignon.
 
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