Ninjago Balance Changes

[Vietthai96]

Morever, it holds the dimensions Wu has created for the Ninjas to train, including a re-creation of Prime Empire and its coding into reality

i remember I saw this before and i disagree with this being Info 2 already in the past

Fake worlds supposively existing on a smaller lvl than the Real World shouldn't be affected on the same lvl as the Real World, yet it was when the Time Twins started to mess with the timeline

This isn't even an argument, you can even punch it or destroy it with RW and whatever it is, the issue is not really how you interact and can affect it, but the nature of the "realm" itself. You can warp dreams with space-time, suddenly it makes said dream real??

 

[Vietthai96]

Anyway, at best I could see possibly Info 2 for Prime Empire, but not Digiverse. Digiverse is Data manip only

The 5D removal stuff is fine

 

[Bobsican]

I may as well clarify on KH before it snowballs into some wacky CRT:

Only characters that have a heart being showcased to "exist" (compared to Nobodies) in a Datascape would imply that a heart is required to exist even in a realm made of data. and generally the manipulation of data realms on a fundamentally existencial level is sufficient to qualify for type 2 info, especially with characters originating from such realm being able to specifically delete characters not made from data.

All of that said, as far this CRT is concerned I'm neutral for now, but leaning towards agreeing given precedents.

 

[VladimirMakarov317]

I may as well clarify on KH before it snowballs into some wacky CRT:

Only characters that have a heart being showcased to "exist" (compared to Nobodies) in a Datascape would imply that a heart is required to exist even in a realm made of data. and generally the manipulation of data realms on a fundamentally existencial level is sufficient to qualify for type 2 info, especially with characters originating from such realm being able to specifically delete characters not made from data.

All of that said, as far this CRT is concerned I'm neutral for now, but leaning towards agreeing given precedents.

Prime Empire should be in the same capacity as it was stated he could control everything referring to the real world and shown here he could effect it. Even when he arrived to the real world he's still made of data

Anyway, at best I could see possibly Info 2 for Prime Empire, but not Digiverse. Digiverse is Data manip only

The 5D removal stuff is fine

I also want to add that Prime Empire is not just a game, but a ticket to entirely different world that can change the Real World. Prime Empire is also stated to be as real as the Real World, not a fake unlike Digiverse as Prime Empire is way more complex

 

[Vietthai96]

Prime Empire should be in the same capacity as it was stated he could control everything referring to the real world and shown here he could effect it. Even when he arrived to the real world he's still made of data

idk why you keep repreating this, it is pretty not really help the argument

I also want to add that Prime Empire is not just a game, but a ticket to entirely different world that can change the Real World. Prime Empire is also stated to be as real as the Real World, not a fake unlike Digiverse as Prime Empire is way more complex

This actually just destroys your argument; it was repeatedly stated to be a game. In the first clip it literally says that:

Prime Empire isn't just a video game, it is a ticket to another world, the world so immersive you think it is real. Prime Empire isn't going to just change how game are played, it is going to change the world

This is literally textbook hype advertising statement from video game developer, literally meaning that the game is very immersive to the point it seems like the real world and the game is going to be a revolution. You just somehow interpreting this as literal powerscaling statement of it changing or altering literal reality and is real reality

Actually, after seeing this statement, i switch back to full-on disagree with Information Type 2, this is at best just Data Manipulation

Only characters that have a heart being showcased to "exist" (compared to Nobodies) in a Datascape would imply that a heart is required to exist even in a realm made of data. and generally the manipulation of data realms on a fundamentally existencial level is sufficient to qualify for type 2 info, especially with characters originating from such realm being able to specifically delete characters not made from data.

This is completely wrong; manipulating data realms isn't going to give you information type 2, said Data Realm must be a real realm made of data. The rest which you posted is irrelevant

All of that said, as far this CRT is concerned I'm neutral for now, but leaning towards agreeing given precedents.

This is another wrong example. From the perspective of Doki Doki characters, their game world is real world, and said world is the base reality, so capable of manipulating file of the game is equal to underlying data that make up the universe in the game

 

[VladimirMakarov317]

idk why you keep repreating this, it is pretty not really help the argument

This actually just destroys your argument; it was repeatedly stated to be a game. In the first clip it literally says that:

This is literally textbook hype advertising statement from video game developer, literally meaning that the game is very immersive to the point it seems like the real world and the game is going to be a revolution. You just somehow interpreting this as literal powerscaling statement of it changing or altering literal reality and is real reality

Actually, after seeing this statement, i switch back to full-on disagree with Information Type 2, this is at best just Data Manipulation


This is completely wrong; manipulating data realms isn't going to give you information type 2, said Data Realm must be a real realm made of data. The rest which you posted is irrelevant


This is another wrong example. From the perspective of Doki Doki characters, their game world is real world, and said world is the base reality, so capable of manipulating file of the game is equal to underlying data that make up the universe in the game

Are you purposely ignoring this scan? Regarding immersive part it was stated by Milton when he was young. Now when he's old, he said "It's impossible! Prime Empire is an illusion", he literally gets corrected that it's not by Pixal saying "Prime Empire is no less real than I am"

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This actually just destroys your argument; it was repeatedly stated to be a game. In the first clip it literally says that:

This is literally textbook hype advertising statement from video game developer, literally meaning that the game is very immersive to the point it seems like the real world and the game is going to be a revolution. You just somehow interpreting this as literal powerscaling statement of it changing or altering literal reality and is real reality

This argument was litterally debunked by Pixal in the last scan, who's far more reliable and smarter than Milton Dyer. He THINKS its just an illusion, but its much more than that

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I can't see this being information type 2, one of the scan literally said whoever it is need to go out to become real, that mean the Digital World is a fake world, which only grant Data Manipulation at best

I think you meant this scan, whoever Pixel was explaining that Overlord needs FSM's powers for become Golden Master and have physical/real body, as in Digiverse, he was just a abstract soul/spirit

 

[Vietthai96]

This argument was litterally debunked by Pixal in the last scan, who's far more reliable and smarter than Milton Dyer. He THINKS its just an illusion, but its much more than that

Do you have a longer clip?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Do you have a longer clip?

Its stated here he doesn't understand what he created (speaking of himself before Pixal made him realize what he were)

Milton Dyer: I didn't understand what I had created. I didn't fully see what you were. I...I was scared.

Unagami: To fear something you created is illogical.

Milton Dyer: Yes, but it's true. I didn't understand how real you were. How alive. And then when Scott disappeared and the company panicked, I shut the project down.

He later states Unagami is as alive as the humans from the REAL WORLD he captured

Milton Dyer: But you must release all the people you took. They are living beings, like yourself. And they deserve freedom.

Unagami: (He looks at the Manifestation Gate's beam. He turns back to Dyer.) Very well. But all who choose.

(Gayle Gossip runs away from a group of Visors. Okino pulls her to safety.)

Unagami: Not just the ones from this realm, also the ones from Prime Empire. They too deserve freedom.

Extended Transcript of the last clip Vlad sent

Game Voice: Would you like to enter Prime Empire?

Dyer: But this is impossible. We never completed these, the game was never finished!

P.I.X.A.L.: It was finished by Unagami, whoever that is.

Dyer: That's ... that's not possible.

P.I.X.A.L.: Why not?

Dyer: Because Unagami's not a real person. Unagami was the game, Unfinished Adventure Game 1. It was the working title before we came up with Prime Empire, but the name stuck. It was just a harmless program.

P.I.X.A.L.: This "harmless" program wants revenge, and is taking it out on Ninjago City. It is employing the services of the Mechanic, who kidnapped Zane.

Dyer: But that's impossible. Unagami isn't alive, it isn't real.

P.I.X.A.L.: It is no less real than I am, and it is very angry.

Dyer: But you are a robot. What you experience as emotion is merely a simulation of emotion. It's just code, ones and zeroes.

P.I.X.A.L.: As are yours! They are electrical impulses in your brain. I assure you, Unagami's emotions are just as real to him. And if we do not find a way to stop him, he will cause tremendous harm.

Dyer: I - I don't know how to stop it.

To sum up in a few words: Prime Empire is Unagami, and Unagami is a "living video game" who exists on the same lvl as the people in the Real World

 

[Vietthai96]

i need to sleep now, will see this tomorrow

 

[Lloydblitzed]

i need to sleep now, will see this tomorrow

okay

 

[Dark_Shadow-34513]

Isn't PE already confirmed to be a Shadow of the real world? So it's certainly not just an ordinary video game.

 

[VladimirMakarov317]

i need to sleep now, will see this tomorrow

Respond?

Its stated here he doesn't understand what he created (speaking of himself before Pixal made him realize what he were)




He later states Unagami is as alive as the humans from the REAL WORLD he captured



Extended Transcript of the last clip Vlad sent


To sum up in a few words: Prime Empire is Unagami, and Unagami is a "living video game" who exists on the same lvl as the people in the Real World

 

[Vietthai96]

Respond?

Dude i'm not at home, and using phone for vsbw isn't the greatest thing in the world, i will respond eventually

 

[Dark_Shadow-34513]

Respond?

Be patient, because he's just an ordinary person busy with life.

 

[VladimirMakarov317]

Be patient, because he's just an ordinary person busy with life.

I saw he was responding to other CRTs instead of continuing the current, he may forgot which I needed to confirm

 

[Vietthai96]

I saw he was responding to other CRTs instead of continuing the current, he may forgot which I needed to confirm

Most other CRTs just need explanation, but this CRT i need to see scan, which my phone sometime have issue with, that why i need to go home with my PC to properly evaluate scan, and i'm not at home at the moment

 

[VladimirMakarov317]

Most other CRTs just need explanation, but this CRT i need to see scan, which my phone sometime have issue with, that why i need to go home with my PC to properly evaluate scan, and i'm not at home at the moment

Lloyd already laid out the transcripts so you just need to check that

 

[VladimirMakarov317]

Most other CRTs just need explanation, but this CRT i need to see scan, which my phone sometime have issue with, that why i need to go home with my PC to properly evaluate scan, and i'm not at home at the moment

Home? It's night time so I assume you are unless having a night job

 

[Vietthai96]

Its stated here he doesn't understand what he created (speaking of himself before Pixal made him realize what he were)




He later states Unagami is as alive as the humans from the REAL WORLD he captured



Extended Transcript of the last clip Vlad sent


To sum up in a few words: Prime Empire is Unagami, and Unagami is a "living video game" who exists on the same lvl as the people in the Real World

i think i'm oke with this new evidence i guess, though only Prime Empire get Info 2, Digiverse is still Data hax only

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

i think i'm oke with this new evidence i guess, though only Prime Empire get Info 2, Digiverse is still Data hax only

I don't think, because Digiverse are universe, and also:

I think you meant this scan, whoever Pixel was explaining that Overlord needs FSM's powers for become Golden Master and have physical/real body, as in Digiverse, he was just a abstract soul/spirit

The Overlord itself is real being not digital being,

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.