One Piece: Enel Gets His Well Deserved Megaboom

[KingTempest]

You waited until after the thread that said “what happened” to say “so here’s what I think happened” after clearly being in the thread that was talking about “what happened”.

 

[Damage3245]

You waited until after the thread that said “what happened” to say “so here’s what I think happened” after clearly being in the thread that was talking about “what happened”.

I apologize, but I mentioned in that thread that I was keeping my thoughts reserved until I saw what the full proposal was.

 

[KingTempest]

I mentioned in that thread that I was keeping my thoughts reserved until I saw what the full proposal was.

Yeah that's like saying "if it scales here then he got punched but if it scales here then didn't get hit".

I'll tackle whatever that was when I'm free but this is a load of bs

 

[Duedate8898]

Oh hey, I figured this is where it was going.

As I understood from the previous thread, that was just determining what the explanation would be if we scaled Enel to the explosion. Hence why I asked this question, and Tempest you agreed that was the purpose of the thread.

That said, I don't at all agree to scaling Enel to the explosion that this machinery survived. Damage outlined well pretty much the issues I would have with the scaling but even beyond that I don't believe we have any solid supporting feats or statements which would not put this in outlier territorty for Enel. His next best feat before this requires a large amount of prep and setup. There is no solid justification being provided as to why he's now casually able to do a High 6-A feat as seen by the cover story.

Mark me down as a rejection of any scaling to this.

 

[KingTempest]

This website is so trash

 

[SlendVeny]

I'm top 1 Enel hater, but I have to agree with the proposal.

 

[That_moron2]

This website is so trash

At least its not twitter

 

[FinePoint]

I find myself agreeing with Damage.

Given that the depiction of the explosion is inconsistent, I agree it makes far more logical and narrative sense for the smaller depiction to be the actual scale and the other one to be artisitcally exaggerated for the sake of making it visible there.

 

[KingTempest]

Whoever else wants to evaluate, wait until the counterpoints for Damage's argument are dropped before you do so

 

[SlendVeny]

I'm top 1 Enel hater, but I have to agree with the proposal.

Option 3 btw

 

[FinePoint]

Whoever else wants to evaluate, wait until the counterpoints for Damage's argument are dropped before you do so

No. We don't need to hear every possible refutation of someone's point to simply say we currently agree with it.
There's always room for minds to be changed later. I understand you are passionate about this, but you seem to be getting a bit too emotional. You've already referred to Damage's argument as BS and then insulted the entire website.

If you are unable to be civil about this right now, I would suggest you be the one who waits to respond.

 

[Kachon123]

Brother, what are you even talking about? It's pretty basic respect to see what both sides have to say before coming in to vote.

 

[KingTempest]

Like am I trippin?

 

[SlendVeny]

You've already referred to Damage's argument as BS and then insulted the entire website.

Pretty sure the thing he was calling a load of bullshit was Damage's position that the events that he would accept as what canonically happened depended on later proposals, not his argument.

 

[FinePoint]

Brother, what are you even talking about? It's pretty basic respect to see what both sides have to say before coming in to vote.

Tempest is the OP, and their original argument is what Damage was responding to. Therefore, both sides did already have a say.

In general, I would agree with you, but if we extend that logic forever then nobody would ever be able to comment so long as anybody is having a back-and-forth.

Anyway, it is not appropriate for us to have an extended argument about this here. If Tempest is offended by my input then they are free to message me or HR about it. I just wish for things to remain relatively neutral and civil.

 

[KingTempest]

No. We don't need to hear every possible refutation of someone's point to simply say we currently agree with it.
There's always room for minds to be changed later. I understand you are passionate about this, but you seem to be getting a bit too emotional. You've already referred to Damage's argument as BS and then insulted the entire website.

If you are unable to be civil about this right now, I would suggest you be the one who waits to respond.

I didn't even say his argument was bs. I said that it's bs that Damage chose to tackle a point in an old thread in a new thread.

I made a whole thread to say "this is what happened".
Damage said "I won't say anything".
Now after that thread is concluded and we make a thread to see "who scales", Damage chooses to say "so here's what I think actually happened".

I insulted the site because this is shit he gets away with all the time, and other staff not acquainted with the verse feed into it, all the time. And I am tired of it. Because he does it all the time. For years on end with every big One Piece thread I make, he finds a way to bullshit it into dragged out headaches.
Now this thread won't be about the options in the OP. It won't even be about the OP anymore. You responded to the thread and didn't even tackle the point of the thread. You are a testament to this thread's imminent derailment, as it's already been derailed.

I will tackle his point now and I will be as respectful as I can be.

 

[FinePoint]

I didn't even say his argument was bs. I said that it's bs that Damage chose to tackle a point in an old thread in a new thread.

I made a whole thread to say "this is what happened".
Damage said "I won't say anything".
Now after that thread is concluded and we make a thread to see "who scales", Damage chooses to say "so here's what I think actually happened".

I insulted the site because this is shit he gets away with all the time, and other staff not acquainted with the verse feed into it, all the time. And I am tired of it. Because he does it all the time. For years on end with every big One Piece thread I make, he finds a way to bullshit it into dragged out headaches.

Alright, I apologize if I misinterpreted anything. But again, this sort of grievance between staff shouldn't be done in public.

Now this thread won't be about the options in the OP. It won't even be about the OP anymore. You responded to the thread and didn't even tackle the point of the thread. You are a testament to this thread's imminent derailment, as it's already been derailed.

I will tackle his point now and I will be as respectful as I can be.

As for this, I do sympathize, though this site has always operated under the assumption that no precedent is set in stone, and a later discussion can always override a previous one if the points brought up are reasonable and agreeable. I also wasn't part of that first thread

So, my general opinion is that this calculation shouldn't be used.

However, if it does become widely held that it should, then I think Option 2 works the best in that theoretical.

 

[Crabwhale]

You wouldn't want to see KT rage.

 

[Saqphire]

I read Damage's arguments, it just boils down to alot of incredulity and a massive false equivalence fallacy there but I'll let KT cook on his response. Also I agree with KT on the fact that these type of arguments should've been made during the last thread's proposal where the context was discussed, not in this one where it's already accepted and we're simply discussing how the feat should be indexed, it comes off as disingenuine imo

 

[FinePoint]

I read Damage's arguments, it just boils down to alot of incredulity and a massive false equivalence fallacy there but I'll let KT cook on his response. Also I agree with KT on the fact that these type of arguments should've been made during the last thread's proposal where the context was discussed, not in this one where it's already accepted as one, it comes off as disingenuine imo

Well, for the record, I don't agree with Damage in that the machine being unharmed might be invalid. On that front they are probably being too skeptical.

Just that between the two depictions of the explosion, the smaller one makes a lot more sense to use.

 

[Saqphire]

Just that between the two depictions of the explosion, the smaller one makes a lot more sense to use.

That's fine to have as an opinion, I'm just saying that should've been brought up in the last thread but oh well. Bigger explosion upscales the smaller explosion's size and in turn upscales the moon's size

 

[KingTempest]

Yall bout to hate me.

Okay, so I'll start right off the bat with stating the controversial conclusion I came to: I don't think we should use this feat for powerscaling the characters, including Enel himself.

So I'm going to call you out real quick because all of this could've been said last thread, which is actually pissing me off that now my thread will be derailed because you wanted to be a goober and wait last minute before you tackled the topic of a thread that was closed, that you were in. Like if I didn't like not being banned I'd say many more words of your character, but I'll hold it off because I'm not going to do what you want me to do and just close this thread off like I always do.

But I think some things which are being taken at face value are heavily dependant on a lot of assumptions here. First of all, let me preface that the Cover Stories overall are pretty sparse on details; we get them as a single captioned panel at a time, often skipping scenes and portraying the events of their stories as a bunch of snapshots. We sometimes need to make assumptions and inferences about what is going on, but it is because of that very problem that we can't always be completely sure about what is happening.

For those who don't know, there is an entire databook called "One Piece: Databook Green" which goes through the cover stories and tells us more information.
On top of that, each cover story in itself tells us enough, as it gives whole sentences below each picture to explain what goes on.
But I digress.

Firstly, I don't think we can be sure that the machine was at the centre of this explosion when it went off.

We don't know what this machinery is exactly or what role it plays in the Space Pirates' excavation other than we see it in the crater after the explosion has taken place. Did it cause the explosion itself? Is it used to clear rubble or debris after the explosion? Does it drill further down perhaps? As I said, details are sparse on its exact nature; if it isn't directly involved in the explosion itself then thar raises the question of if it was at point-blank range of whatever explosive was set off.

And does it being located in the crater in this panel necessarily mean that it was always right there the whole time since before the explosion was set off? We don't have a "Before" shot prior to the explosion going off. All we see is the explosion itself, and the aftermath. In the aftermath, we see this big eel-like alien seemingly inside the crater and touching the machinery. Maybe, after the explosion happened, this big guy lowered the machinery into the newly created crater.

As KT pointed out, the Space Pirates have infrastructure around the excavation zone. The whole area is fenced off and there's other machinery present. It's possible that this machine was just present next to the crater and was lowered in to continue the excavation work.

But okay - maybe the machinery was actually there, dug into the ground and it was used to detonate some kind of explosive. Maybe it drilled down into the lunar surface and then placed the bomb there. I can't assert that the big alien definitely moved the machinery after the explosion went off, so I'm just raising the possibility.

This entire point is a point of just raw skepticism, a bunch of "yeah no", and even more. And respectfully, it's a terrible point.
Your argument is "they could've thrown these things in the crater after the explosion went off" WHILE DUST WAS STILL SETTLING???

WHAT?????​

First of all, this whole sequence is the explosion. They can not go and move things in the middle of an explosion. This panel is immediately after the explosion.
Do you go to move things right after debris flies? No. You don't. This logically makes zero sense.
How would they lower the tool to continue the excavation work literal seconds after the explosion went off. The smoke is clearing from the debris.
Second of all, "lowered in" is a cop out because we can see the tools on the outside of the gated area already reaching in. Unless you think they moved around all of that in microseconds, it was there.

Secondly, the bigger issue is that the proposal in the OP isn't that we use the explosion that we see on-screen here in which the machinery could plausibly have been in close proximity of and withstood. The proposal is that we use this other explosion to scale the machinery's durability. I'll refer to the former as Explosion 1 and the latter as Explosion 2.

The benefit at the least for Explosion 1 is that the machinery is visible after the explosion took place and in the crater that was caused by the explosion. That at least makes it a plausible assumption that it was there all along and therefore scales to the explosion as we see it intact.

But we have even less context about Explosion 2 than we do with Explosion 1. We don't see what machinery was used during it, or whether that machinery truly did survive intact despite supposedly being at the center of this Multi-Continental explosion. We don't know that it is the exact same equipment used during Explosion 1. We don't know that the Space Pirates only have one of these things and they use the same one each time.

Without direct evidence of the machinery being at the dead-centre of this vast explosion, it currently comes across as an association fallacy; where we presumably see the machinery intact after one explosion, therefore in a vastly different explosion the same machinery was probably used and it was just as unaffected by larger explosion as it was by the smaller explosion.

I'm gonna group this with the argument below because I typed in a bunch of insults but I removed them for obvious reasons.
You will see why I consider this a terrible argument in the manner of a few scrolls.

Thirdly, I think there is also a simple common sense matter here that I think needs to be taken into account. Let's consider the narrative logic behind what is happening here; the Space Pirates are performing an excavation mission of the ruins on the Moon. They're blasting a hole into the Moon's surface in order to uncover the entrance to the ruins visible here. It's dozens of meters, or a couple hundred meters, below the lunar surface.

Which makes the use of an explosion like this to uncover it rather implausible.

As KingTempest calculated, this explosion here is about 363608626 meters across, or 363608.626 kilometers. It is as wide 28.5 planet Earth's lined up end-to-end. It is an explosion massively larger than most planets.

And the Space Pirates were using this to... uncover some ruins near the Moon's surface? A couple of hundred meters down?

There's no getting away from the fact that this explosion and this explosion are about as far apart as you can get in their differing depictions. The one we actually see the Space Pirates use in detail in their excavation plan is a few hundred meters across, maybe a kilometer. The other one? Hundreds of thousands of times bigger, and no narrative cause behind it; we don't see a vast crater left behind by it. As mentioned above don't even see any surviving machinery used in this detonation.

Now, I know what some people maybe thinking here: "Damage, what are you talking about? We see the explosion happen on-panel. That means it really did happen and it was that big despite all your skepticism."

The thing is, just because we see something on-screen doesn't always mean it is meant to be taken literally. Exaggeration is a common technique and it's not limited to just statements either; art style can be deliberatelt exaggerated even without getting into the whole Toon Physics thing.

Like take this panel of Darkshine from the manga One-Punch Man as an example. He's not literally that big; we would be silly for trying to pixelscale his height here. He's drawn in an exgerrated manner to emphasize the intimidation / power he has. Or an example closer to home, the Seven Warlords of the Sea in One Piece are drawn in an exagerrated manner in this panel. Just like at the tiny Marine in front of them. Mihawk is only mean to be 2 meters tall but here he looks twice that size.

Things can be drawn in an exaggerated manner for many reasons; for comedic purposes, for emphasis, for dramatic effect, etc. In this case, I think it's simply that if the explosion was drawn at the proper scale for what it's intended purpose is, then it would of course be nigh-invisible against the true scale of the Moon. It was simply drawn big so that the audience can see it and so that the old man would suffer a heart attack upon noticing an explosion go off on the Moon's surface, thus giving the tiny Automata people a reason to travel up to the Moon for vengeance.

Now, too much skepticism is a bad thing I know. If there were more consistency to this feat, then there wouldn't be as much of a problem with it. But the fact is that we don't juse have a single Moon explosion to judge off of. We have two. And with there being such an enormous difference in portrayal between the two, that calls into question the legitimacy of exclusively scaling off of the one explosion.

This is such a terrible point for a person who makes calculations, much less a CGM, to say that I don't even feel like tackling it, but okay.

Disclaimer​

To sum your argument up, you are basically saying that this is a toon force explosion.
This has got to be the worst point I have ever seen from you in my life, and I've seen some things from you in the past 4 years.
I've seen you calc an ocean depth from inconsistent characters in a known ocean irl with a stated depth.
I've seen you calculate sizes of islands from blurry characters so tiny in frame that they looked like the pieces of a sock stuck to the bottom of your feet.
I've seen you switch stances in the middle of threads because a calc had an upgrade.
But this is so bad that idek how it got a vote.
But if 2 other people said this is okay, then okay. I'll act as if it is a plausible point.
And don't dare focus on the disclaimer as if I don't have a point to tackle. Because I know you.

Number One​

Nobody said the fireball of the explosion was that big.
What I actually calculated was whatever force moved that much dust. Mainly a potential shockwave let off after the explosion.
We see that the actual "explosion" and the "fireball" are 2 different things.
It was noted in the calculation blog of the first calc that I linked in my calc that because the crater wasn't deep, and for many other factors including that we don't know where all that dust was from (whether it was from a big ass crater or just dust on the moon), I had to downgrade the calculation, which is why I used 3 psi on it, because
A. Nobody said he destroyed that much. The calc is measuring the shockwave/force/whatever the hell spanned that much distance, which is allowed with the explosion formula.
B. Nobody said the fireball was that big. So comparing it to another explosion where the fireball was small, does not matter.
We know the root of the shockwave was the explosion. We know the root of the explosion was the tool. That's where the scaling comes in.
The AP of the explosion was huge. The DC could've been much smaller (as we see), but the AP was huge.
Mitch said this.

This is a super big unknown feat, so I'm skeptical of it's usage, and the smoke being that large doesn't inherently mean it's an explosion that large

Do we see any major destruction in the aftermath of the explosion?

Then it's sorta iffy to accept, maybe using a lower psi would be better?

We already accounted for the unknowns. That's why this calc is 20 Exatons and not 4 Zettatons. Because we already nuked the calc even more so that it could align with common sense.
Enel > Tool (Very small) > Explosion (around 40+ meters) > Shockwave (22 earths wide) > 22 Exatons.
Arguments like "toon force explosion" are just bad. I woulda just said inconsistency. But this is awful.

Number Two​

Besides this, there's the fact that it was visible from earth.
The newly accepted distance from the blue planet to the moon is 746070.1582047 kilometers.
The human eye has an angular resolution of 0.02 degrees. The thing a human can see needs to fit under this.
If we plug these 2 numbers into the angular size calculator, then the explosion would be 260.43 kilometers wide.
Even if this was the regular moon, our moon, the distance is barely even half of that, and to see a literal dot on our moon, it would need to be 134.18 kilometers wide.

This is assuming that the explosion is a literal dot in his peripheral. Much less a wide spread explosion.
Bringing me to my next point.

Number Three​

I have already calced that explosion in a different calculation by accident. This calc was not Enel, it was the explosion we see here.
A diameter of 47.409756313691 meters.
This means that for someone to be able to see this, they need to have the angular resolution of 3.6409e-6 degrees.
This is resolution so good that someone can see something a meter tall 15737 kilometers away.
Characters are knocked out of peripheral going a few dozen kilometers away, much less more than earth.
This is a non factor argument.

Number Four​

This explosion is canonically big as shit lore wise.
It is so big that the person who watched it happen DIED because they were shocked at how big the explosion was, and they choked on food looking at it.
If this was, what, 40 meters wide
1. This couldn't be seen from earth.
2. He wouldn't be surprised at it.
3. He wouldn't have died from looking at this shit.

So literally every single point of your argument is just... wrong.

Now, I apologize for the lengthy post but I just want to make it clear that I don't think that the situation is as straightforward to powerscale as is presented. Does this mean that I don't think we should powerscale Enel destroying the machinery at all? No.

I think the better options would be that we calculate the actual explosion that the machinery can most plausibly be tied to, Explosion 1. We can also calculate the actual damages to machinery itself as an alternative to that by finding its volume, assuming a reasonable material for it, and then calculating how much of it Enel destroyed or damaged - but that's a more complicated option with more assumptions.

I just think that there are enough issues with trying to powerscale Enel directly to the High 6-A explosion for me to be against the proposals in the OP.

@Elizhaa @Dalesean027 @Duedate8898 @Reiner04 As you all evaluated this earlier thread which argued in favor of having Enel scale to the large explosion on the Moon, I would appreciate it if you could read my thoughts on this topic here.

This is so straightforward that I'm upset that it took this much.

I'll make a separate "disagree to all" section and put you in it if that's what you want me to do.
But if you really wanna disagree with a thread after it's closed, next time reopen the last one.
Don't derail my thread with bad arguments. Because I can already smell the back and forth coming.

Yall got me typing these mini Chariot ass responses to these paper dipped in water ass arguments.

 

[SlendVeny]

True

 

[FinePoint]

Number Four​

This explosion is canonically big as shit lore wise.
It is so big that the person who watched it happen DIED because they were shocked at how big the explosion was, and they choked on food looking at it.
If this was, what, 40 meters wide
1. This couldn't be seen from earth.
2. He wouldn't be surprised at it.
3. He wouldn't have died from looking at this shit.

Well, if it's consistently narratively considered to be absurdly large, then I suppose I'm fine using the larger explosion.

So, you can just consider me to be agreeing with Option 2 then.

 

[KingTempest]

Thank you.

 

[FinePoint]

Thank you.

No problem. I'm evaluating from an outside perspective here, so any additional context can be really helpful in forming an opinion.

On a similar note, if anybody who voted for Option 3 wants to provide further argument for it, my current reasoning for leaning towards it is as follows:

In general, in fiction, significant gaps in time or publication can lead to characters displaying drastically different capabilities, even if it's not explicitly established canonically that they 'grew stronger' in that time.

So, since there was a time gap here, and from what I understand these feats are significantly above what was previously showcased, then it makes sense to make a new key for it.

 

[SlendVeny]

Not against option 2 either, I find it and 3 to be comparable plausible

 

[Da3ggman]

Holy shit that was a crazy smack down by Tempest lmaooo, go off king

I’m for option 2, personally.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This explosion is canonically big as shit lore wise.
It is so big that the person who watched it happen DIED because they were shocked at how big the explosion was, and they choked on food looking at it.
If this was, what, 40 meters wide
1. This couldn't be seen from earth.
2. He wouldn't be surprised at it.
3. He wouldn't have died from looking at this shit.

it also literally says that the moon exploded... Like it's obvious it's meant to be an explosion relative to the moon

This is a real picture taken of kingtempest in this thread btw:

 

[Eseseso]

Maybe just:

1. Give Enel a second key.
2. Scale no one to the feat except post-Skypiea key Enel and the top tiers via DF scaling.

 

[Dalesean027]

Since I was pinged I'll just say I'm still in agree with KT here after reading both sides

Edit: As for the OP im fine with either option B or C

 

[Damage3245]

Don't derail my thread with bad arguments. Because I can already smell the back and forth coming.

I don't want to have a back and forth with you on this, it is clear that I've annoyed and probably offended you there I've made my counter-argument here instead of in your earlier thread. You and i have so much history that even in your counter-response to me where you promise to be as civil and respectful as possible you can't help but dragging up things from my past to slander my decision-making and indicate you would say a lot more if you just didn't want to banned. This is textbook Ad Hominem attack and i can't trust that a further conversation really will remain civil if i annoy you more. Any time i disagree with you, the attacks come out.

Out of respect for this thread, i will withdraw those arguments from it and let staff make up their own minds and save the arguments i do have for a thread of my own at a more appropriate time.

EDIT: I will still keep my disagree vote for the thread for Duedate's reasons above, for now.

 

[Saqphire]

-snip-

I lowkey also feel like almost all of the arguments from damage can be simply dismissed with Occam's razor since he's the one making the least plausible assumptions which he even acknowledged himself by being "too skeptical" so. Good refutation btw and no, it's not an ad hominem either because you're not insulting him/using your personal experience with him to say his argument's invalid since you're attacking the argument itself

 

[Damage3245]

I lowkey also feel like almost all of the arguments from damage can be simply dismissed with Occam's razor since he's the one making the least plausible assumptions which he even acknowledged himself by being "too skeptical" so. Good refutation btw

I didn't say I considered myself as being too skeptical in this instance. I just said too much skepticism in general is a bad thing. I think it takes more assumptions to try and scale Enel to the feat than to not to scale him.

 

[Saqphire]

Maybe just:

1. Give Enel a second key.
2. Scale no one to the feat except post-Skypiea key Enel and the top tiers via DF scaling.

This is literally option 1 and 2 combined although I kinda agree with this.

I didn't say I considered myself as being too skeptical in this instance. I just said too much skepticism in general is a bad thing. I think it takes more assumptions to try and scale Enel to the feat than to not to scale him.

????

Lemme quote you verbatim here so we're not confused as to what we're on about

Things can be drawn in an exaggerated manner for many reasons; for comedic purposes, for emphasis, for dramatic effect, etc. In this case, I think it's simply that if the explosion was drawn at the proper scale for what it's intended purpose is, then it would of course be nigh-invisible against the true scale of the" Moon. It was simply drawn big so that the audience can see it and so that the old man would suffer a heart attack upon noticing an explosion go off on the Moon's surface, thus giving the tiny Automata people a reason to travel up to the Moon for vengeance.

Now, too much skepticism is a bad thing I know. If there were more consistency to this feat, then there wouldn't be as much of a problem with it. But the fact is that we don't juse have a single Moon explosion to judge off of. We have two. And with there being such an enormous difference in portrayal between the two, that calls into question the legitimacy of exclusively scaling off of the one explosion.

Is this not you saying "too much skepticism is a bad thing" that, while framed in a general manner, is literally about this very specific instance in this context, thus meaning that you believe yourself to be too skeptical in this instance? Because from how I interpret that, all this skepticism only comes from the fact that you believe it's inconsistent overall, otherwise they wouldn't exist in the first place as you wouldn't have much problems with the feat anyhow.

Scaling Enel from the feat requires far less assumptions that are far-fetched compared to your interpretations (i.e. KT's is "Enel does feat -> feat is shown relative to the moon (even stated that the moon exploded to hammer down -> Enel scales to what is shown", while yours is "Enel does some random small explosion that was somehow bigger for toon force purposes/plot") and as how others brought up, if the feat was so small compared to the moon itself, the guy on Earth wouldn't have seen it and literally die from the sheer insanity of that. You yourself say that but still dogmatise that the explosion would be small

 

[Damage3245]

Is this not you saying "too much skepticism is a bad thing" that, while framed in a general manner, is literally about this very specific instance in this context, thus meaning that you believe yourself to be too skeptical in this instance? Because from how I interpret that, all this skepticism only comes from the fact that you believe it's inconsistent overall, otherwise they wouldn't exist in the first place as you wouldn't have much problems with the feat anyhow.

Perhaps I wrote that section poorly, I apologize. If I thought I was genuinely being too skeptical to the point where my whole position can't be used... why would I bother posting it in the first place?

Also, I think you may have misunderstood what is going on here because you wrote "Enel does some random small explosion that was exaggerated for toon force purposes"; I never said that Enel caused the explosion or that the actual explosion is the result of Toon Force. I said things can be exaggerated without even getting into Toon Force. Meaning that I don't think Toon Force is taking place here.

EDIT: Anyway, I don't want to bogged down in a debate about no. of assumptions here. As KT has already stated, that is not a part of the thread.

 

[Raiden38]

This is a direct continuation to this thread. Mainly in the application of the calculation at hand. 22 Exatons.
Now that Enel scales to the value, this thread is going to be the primary discussion as to how he scales with his showcase in his prior arc.

Option 1: Restrict His Devil Fruit Scaling to Anyone in Skypiea​

Enel is stated to have a powerful devil fruit, even among logias. One of the invincible powers.
As it stands, there are 13 Logia fruits. 6 of them scale to God tier values (Sakazuki, Borsalino, Kuzan, Teach, Sabo, and Aramaki), 1 has no profile yet but has potential scaling (Karasu). Weaker users such as Caesar Clown, Smoker, Crocodile, and Monet are far above the likes of the pre timeskip strawhats who "combatted" (badly lost to) Enel.
With this in mind, the Gura Gura no Mi is noted to be as powerful as the logias. One of the more powerful logias should scale in the same ballpark as one, and not a million times weaker.
It is consistent for him to be a character with an upper echelon of strength. Inferior characters have no reason to scale to him.

Option 2: Moon Key​

We can isolate his scaling on the moon via a moon key. He has uniquely more powerful feats there anyways.

Option 3: Up to High 6-A​

Throughout Skypiea until Luffy, Enel wasn't trying at all.
Kamikiri. Random Shandian. Raki. Nola. Gan Fall. Robin. Zoro. Wyper.
Absolutely no issues when it came to defeating these characters. The only one who could stand in his power was Luffy, who was rubber.
Enel had the power to even bring down sky islands. He could do that with Skypiea easily, stated by everybody who has seen his power or knows his power. The only reason why he didn't, shown again, was because he wanted the golden bell.

Conclusion​

Either mark everyone's feats against Enel as outliers, give him a new key, or give him an "Up to High 6-A" rating.
At the end of the day, Enel is a force of nature.

Option A:
Option B: MonkeyOfLife, Apollonir.Scale, Fireld, Popbum, FinePoint, Dalesean027 (Or C)
Option C: Kachon123, Eminiteable, Saqphire, Eseseso, XDragnoir, Ryuga21, Raiden38, Dalesean027 (Or B)
Agrees to Using Calc, Option Unknown:
Disagree To All: Damage3245, Duedate8898

change in Moon calc option
but I'm very uncertain that I might also disagree with everything like Damage and Duedate I'll wait and see but for now I'm going with option B

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I'd prefer option 2, though I'm not against option 3.

 

[Robo432343]

disagree with duedate fra

 

[OrangeFR]

Option 2 seems best to me.