Pizza El Dante vs Carrot Cake (Dante [Devil May Cry] vs Goku [Dragon Ball Super])

[Jin2188]

Speed is equalized.

Dante has his DMC5 key; Goku has his Super Hero Arc key.

Battle takes place in Tournament of Power arena; SBA for everything else.

Wacky Woohoo Pizza Man:

Insane From Earth:

 

[Jin2188]

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[Pyro9278]

Speed is equalized.

Dante has his DMC5 key; Goku has his Super Hero Arc key.

Battle takes place in Tournament of Power arena; SBA for everything else.

Wacky Woohoo Pizza Man:

Insane From Earth:

Goku: 6 Universes

Dante: 25 Universes

This is a stomp.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Dante outhaxes and stomps

 

[Jin2188]

Goku: 6 Universes

Dante: 25 Universes

This is a stomp.

Does he oneshot though? I don't really know how stuff works when you go beyond Tier 3, but it doesn't seem like he eclipses Goku by orders of infinity or anything like that. Plus Goku has skillslop and lots of experience fighting opponents stronger than himself.

 

[Robo432343]

Does he oneshot though? I don't really know how stuff works when you go beyond Tier 3, but it doesn't seem like he eclipses Goku by orders of infinity or anything like that. Plus Goku has skillslop and lots of experience fighting opponents stronger than himself.

Yes…a character who scales to 25 universes one shots a character who scales to 6 universes, that’s just how it works here

 

[AThe1412]

Does he oneshot though? I don't really know how stuff works when you go beyond Tier 3, but it doesn't seem like he eclipses Goku by orders of infinity or anything like that.

Universes are infinite so even a difference of 1 is a oneshot.

Plus Goku has skillslop and lots of experience fighting opponents stronger than himself.

Dante from DMC2 onwards easily cooks him.

Mundus (Devil May Cry)

Mundus (Lat: "world" or "universe") is the primary antagonist of the first Devil May Cry. According to legend, Mundus was a demon prince who consumed the fruit of the sacred tree Qliphoth in ancient times, gained divine powers and killed the god of demonkind, becoming the ruler of the...

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He has what is basically UI on crack that lets him somehow hit and dodge attacks from an omnipresent being. Just to put into perspective how ridiculous this is, imagine someone jumping into a pool of water, walking around everywhere in it, then getting out COMPLETELY dry because they somehow managed to dodge every single water molecule in the pool DESPITE being in the water.

Beastheads (Devil May Cry)

The Beastheads was a demon created by Mundus, which can see the past, present, and future. It possesses the ability to show the future to any human which touches it; however, this often drives the human insane. It was one of the antagonists in Devil May Cry Volume 2. Tier: 4-A | Varies from 4-A...

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Chen the Cannibal

Chen the Cannibal, also known as Cold-blooded Chen or simply Chen, is the main antagonist of Devil May Cry 2 novel. He is the head of the underworld crime syndicate. Despite being such a powerful figure, Dante doesn't learn of him until the events of the novel. He dresses in an old-fashioned...

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Dante's precognition is good enough to match and eventually defeat someone who can perfectly view everything in the past, present, future, and even beyond space-time itself.

 

[Random-Helper323]

This is both a hax stomp and a stat stomp.

Actually, both characters have insane skillslop as well. Dante even scales higher in speed and has Mid Godly regeneration.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Does he oneshot though? I don't really know how stuff works when you go beyond Tier 3, but it doesn't seem like he eclipses Goku by orders of infinity or anything like that. Plus Goku has skillslop and lots of experience fighting opponents stronger than himself.

He does. If even someone who is 2-C scales, say for example, 3 universes compared to someone who is 2-C but scales to 2 universes, it's a AP stomp for the one with 3 universes.

 

[Tanin_iver]

SBA for everything else

If however it wasn't SBA and they are in character or their normal selves, then we can have a wholesome ending where Goku can train and try to land a hit while Dante uses Royal Guard to parry.
They can train with each other indefinitely and improve themselves.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Dante stomps. Maybe stat equal sparring match is better debate.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Dante stomps. Maybe stat equal sparring match is better debate.

Both have great skill, although Dante's is still better. I do think people underestimate Goku's skill though.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Skill debates are like drawing lines in sand, but fun

 

[Random-Helper323]

Both these two have the ability to copy moves after seeing them once and learn skills quickly, although Dante does this better overall.

 

[Jin2188]

Universes are infinite so even a difference of 1 is a oneshot.

Yes…a character who scales to 25 universes one shots a character who scales to 6 universes, that’s just how it works here

He does. If even someone who is 2-C scales, say for example, 3 universes compared to someone who is 2-C but scales to 2 universes, it's a AP stomp for the one with 3 universes.

This doesn't seem right. Where on the wiki does it say this? Universes being infinite doesn't mean anything, since both characters are capable of destroying only a finite amount of space-time continuums. 25 / 6 ≈ 4, not infinity. Where on the wiki does it say that this is not the case?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Omega zero stomps both uwu

 

[Tanin_iver]

This doesn't seem right. Where on the wiki does it say this? Universes being infinite doesn't mean anything, since both characters are capable of destroying only a finite amount of space-time continuums. 25 / 6 ≈ 4, not infinity. Where on the wiki does it say that this is not the case?

Note 1:

Because the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the sub-tiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A. This does not mean that the difference between these tiers is greater than infinite, merely that the difference is unknown.

Some people have kinda miswrote it. It's not due to infinite size but due to the unknown distance between the universes due to which even a difference of 1 extra universe is considered unsurmountable AP gap in the wiki that even an infinite multiplier will not be capable of overcoming.

Q: What is the Tier for destroying or creating several timelines?​

A: As the Tiering System specifies, destroying or creating multiple timelines or space-time continuums is usually ranked between 2-C and 2-A, depending on the number of timelines involved.
However, there are two edge cases, which require particular considerations.

First, note that in our terms a universe, and hence also space-time continuums and timelines, always includes all of the three dimensional space that can be reached from it. That is to say, any place that can theoretically be reached via regular three-dimensional movement alone (e.g. via spaceflight) would be considered as part of the same universe, and hence timeline, regardless of whether the fiction considers it as such. Traveling from one universe to another should only by possible via portals, higher-dimensional movement, teleportation or other unusual means of transportation.
By default, universes are assumed to have separate three-dimensional spaces, but should a piece of fiction demonstrate the opposite destruction of several timelines connected in such a way would only be Low 2-C (Universe level+).

Second, is the case of timelines that at certain points are connected. Contrary to the case where one can always travel from one universe to the other via three-dimensional movement, it is only possible in those at certain times. In fact, at certain points in time they might be the same universe. E.g. if a timeline branches into two, then the timelines were the same universe before the branch split happened. And for the other way around, if two timelines get merged into one, then they are the same universe only after they were fused.
In those cases, the destruction of any one timeline is only counted if it was not connected to any other timeline for an infinite amount of time. Otherwise, if there are several timelines none of which are separate for an infinite amount of time, they would all be counted as just one timeline for the purpose of tiering their destruction or creation.
Note that timelines, by default, are assumed to be infinitely long i.e. it’s assumed that there is no end to time. Hence, unless the contrary are shown, the destruction of timelines that branch out from each other, and then never merge together again, would still be ranked between 2-C and 2-A (depending on the amount).
The underlying idea behind all of that is that each timeline that is counted should still be a large four dimensional object, as that’s the fundamental criteria to qualify for those tiers.

I personally do not agree with the way we define it or index it, but it is what it is.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Ughh yeah. Even 1 Universe difference is a complete AP stomp, unfortunately. And then the hax for Dante is insane. And IIRC DMC is getting upgraded

Def needs a new matchup, or thread can be closed.

 

[Jin2188]

Some people have kinda miswrote it. It's not due to infinite size but due to the unknown distance between the universes due to which even a difference of 1 extra universe is considered unsurmountable AP gap in the wiki that even an infinite multiplier will not be capable of overcoming.

I personally do not agree with the way we define it or index it, but it is what it is.

Unknowable, not insurmountable.

Because the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the sub-tiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A. This does not mean that the difference between these tiers is greater than infinite, merely that the difference is unknown.

And besides, distance really shouldn't matter at this point considering that you're already exerting infinite energy anyways.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Unknowable, not insurmountable.

And besides, distance really shouldn't matter at this point considering that you're already exerting infinite energy anyways.

It still gets taken as a huge gap. Even without it this would be a hax stomp though.

 

[Apotheosis69]

I do feel like the difference between 2-C Universes stats, should be more clear in its explanation. Idk if that needs a Staff Thread, prob does.

 

[Arkansalter2]

I'll get this closed I guess.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

why not make it a skillslop thread?

 

[Jin2188]

Mundus (Devil May Cry)

Mundus (Lat: "world" or "universe") is the primary antagonist of the first Devil May Cry. According to legend, Mundus was a demon prince who consumed the fruit of the sacred tree Qliphoth in ancient times, gained divine powers and killed the god of demonkind, becoming the ruler of the...

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He has what is basically UI on crack that lets him somehow hit and dodge attacks from an omnipresent being. Just to put into perspective how ridiculous this is, imagine someone jumping into a pool of water, walking around everywhere in it, then getting out COMPLETELY dry because they somehow managed to dodge every single water molecule in the pool DESPITE being in the water.

Afaik this is listed as speed on Dante's profile and speed is equalized here so it doesn't count.

Beastheads (Devil May Cry)

The Beastheads was a demon created by Mundus, which can see the past, present, and future. It possesses the ability to show the future to any human which touches it; however, this often drives the human insane. It was one of the antagonists in Devil May Cry Volume 2. Tier: 4-A | Varies from 4-A...

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Chen the Cannibal

Chen the Cannibal, also known as Cold-blooded Chen or simply Chen, is the main antagonist of Devil May Cry 2 novel. He is the head of the underworld crime syndicate. Despite being such a powerful figure, Dante doesn't learn of him until the events of the novel. He dresses in an old-fashioned...

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Dante's precognition is good enough to match and eventually defeat someone who can perfectly view everything in the past, present, future, and even beyond space-time itself.

This is listed on Dante's profile as resistance to precog, so the only precog he actually seems to have is a minor ability to sense threats:

• Minor Precognition (With Alastor, capable of sensing incoming threats before they appear, like Phantom and Nelo Angelo, the latter was in a mirror dimension before he appeared.)

Which Goku also has.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Afaik this is listed as speed on Dante's profile and speed is equalized here so it doesn't count.

This is listed on Dante's profile as resistance to precog, so the only precog he actually seems to have is a minor ability to sense threats:

Which Goku also has.

Dante's ability to dodge things without seeing them is still a better version of UI. He's displayed this very consistently and the feat of dodging Mundus' omnidirectional attacks while submerged in them is still a sign of this.

Not that it matters. This is a stomp of the highest order for so many reasons. It's kind of a shame, because these two are both awesome, both have some of the best skill around, and both evolve during fights.

 

[Apotheosis69]

I mean. You can do a Fun & Games matchup with these two.

Equalizing AP/Dura, and possibly other stuff (like Powerup multipliers). Restricting specific hax if it causes a complete stomp. Though best for you to work on that first before posting it.

Just a shame there's no good way to archive F&G matchups, like how real versus matches do on Profiles.

 

[Random-Helper323]

We'd pretty much have to restrict Dante's entire ability list along with his weapons. We'd also have to equalise AP and speed, and even then Dante actually outskills as well. This is not fair at all.

Goku really struggles in his Tier. It seems he's best off if he has the AP and speed advantage to counter all the hax. Thankfully he's very fast and his AP is decently above baseline.

 

[AThe1412]

Afaik this is listed as speed on Dante's profile and speed is equalized here so it doesn't count.

His speed is MFTL+ while Void Mundus is OMNIPRESENT. Here's where the ability is listed.

"Enhanced Non-Physical Interaction (Void), Immortality Negation (Type 5) & Instinctive Action (Was capable of interacting with and eventually killing an alternate timeline Mundus[45] who exists as an empty void, dodging and fighting instinctively)"

Afaik this is listed as speed on Dante's profile and speed is equalized here so it doesn't count.

This is listed on Dante's profile as resistance to precog, so the only precog he actually seems to have is a minor ability to sense threats:

Which Goku also has.

Not what I'm talking about buddy. That's from his DMC1 key alone.

"Enhanced Analytical Prediction (Can go toe to toe with Beastheads' clairvoyance through skillful predictions alone. First with Ducas, later with Chen.)"

Resistance:
"Precognition & Cosmic Awareness (When serious Dante was capable of surprising Chen,[20] who was stated and show multiple times to be able to predict the future thanks to Beastheads and also is aware of events that exist even beyond space and time[47])"

Even the weakest Sparda descendant has analytical prediction by default and Dante by the time of DMC2 has far surpassed Sparda.

Demon Physiology (Devil May Cry)

Demons are the most common enemies in the Devil May Cry game series, appearing in all media involving the title. Most demons are generally very selfish, power-hungry, and cruel; often seeking to increase their own power or influence at the expense of either other demons or humans. Very rarely do...

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"Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction (Gilver, a a clone modeled on the battle data of Sparda and his sons, could detect patterns behind opponent's attack in an instant and read all his moves, enabling him to narrowly avoid every one of them. Gilver was able to analyze the patterns of an amplified Rebellion and adapt by predicting them again.[95])"

 

[Tanin_iver]

Unknowable, not insurmountable.

Because the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the sub-tiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A. This does not mean that the difference between these tiers is greater than infinite, merely that the difference is unknown.

Yeah, it's unknown but for the purpose of the wiki, it doesn't matter, even if the character has an infinite multiplier.
Yeah I know it's silly but it is what it is.

And besides, distance really shouldn't matter at this point considering that you're already exerting infinite energy anyways.

Firstly, the infinite energy tier is High 3-A where it's still measured in joules. Secondly, range/scale are more strictly tied to AP from Tier 2 onwards. And that scale of destruction is defined by number of universes in Tier 2.
Also Tier 2 is unique in that it is not defined by size but by number of unis, you cannot upscale to higher number of universes no matter the multiplier unless you have feats of higher number of unis or scale to character with said feat.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Dante got buffed? Major W

Anyways yeah bro stomps

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Dante got buffed? Major W

he did?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Dante got buffed? Major W

Anyways yeah bro stomps

Pretty sure last time I seen Dante, he was 2-A. He got nerfed lmfao.