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I've brought this up on the One Piece discussion thread but shouldn't Ace get Explosion manipulation via Hotarubi? He show cased this ability against Teach in thier fight.
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Portgas D Ace ability addition
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Looks just like an application of Fire Manipulation to me. I don't think explosion manipulation is appropriate.
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It fire that explodes on impact, why wouldn't it be appropriate? It's 100% appropriate fire doesn't explode like that by itself.
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Dr.Fix said:
I agree.
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I agree with explosion generation
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Meh, I don't think the first example actually looks like an explosion.
It looks like Blackbeard is just being engulfed by fire that Ace is creating through the Firefly attack.
It looks like Blackbeard is just being engulfed by fire that Ace is creating through the Firefly attack.
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It's an explosion, Blackbeard isn't simply being taught on fire. They explode from a distance then set the target on fire.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that, but to me it definitely looks like Ace is just creating a bunch of small fireballs which surround Blackbeard and then move inwards, setting him on fire from all directions.
If we look at the scene in the anime then it really doesn't look like any other kind of explosio. It just looks like fire...
If we look at the scene in the anime then it really doesn't look like any other kind of explosio. It just looks like fire...
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Move inward? They don't move inward, they explode from a distance away from Blackbeard and explode on him. And the anime scene doesn't further your point since it's non Canon, we go with the Manga not the anime. Plus Ace's fire has been shown to cause explosions with other attacks as well.
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Notice in the first panel that Blackbeard notices the Firefly bullets and they're stationary? Well, in the next panel we see Ace commanding them to move and on the centre panel we see them hitting Blackbeard and some of them are still moving in towards him. There is no explosion. It's just all fire.
Anime filler is non-canon certainly, but the fact that the anime depiction of the manga scene doesn't show an explosion is a point towards my interpretation I think.
If Ace's abilities has caused other explosions then I'd like to see those.
Anime filler is non-canon certainly, but the fact that the anime depiction of the manga scene doesn't show an explosion is a point towards my interpretation I think.
If Ace's abilities has caused other explosions then I'd like to see those.
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Cleary not the, Ace isn't commanding them to move towards Blackbeard we blatantly see him causing them to explode in front of Blackbeard instead of moving them towards him to set him on fire. If you want to look at a better scan you can look at mine in the OP which shows everything much better and in color. We see an explosion happening, not just set him on fire as you think. It's an explosion, not just fire. The explosion is what catches him on fire not the attack itself.
Again that's a non factor. The anime shouldn't be used in any case given how much different things happen in the anime as compared to the Manga. Literally in the fight Ace absorbs fire that's around him which didn't happen in the Manga.
I'll gather the other scans but someone posted one already here.
Again that's a non factor. The anime shouldn't be used in any case given how much different things happen in the anime as compared to the Manga. Literally in the fight Ace absorbs fire that's around him which didn't happen in the Manga.
I'll gather the other scans but someone posted one already here.
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> Cleary not the, Ace isn't commanding them to move towards Blackbeard we blatantly see him causing them to explode in front of Blackbeard instead of moving them towards him to set him on fire.
Okay, come on. The things are stationary in the first panel and then they're moving in the next two panels.
How could Ace not be commanding them to move?
What you're seeing as an explosion, I can only see as a mass of fire. And that's what the anime clearly went with as well.
I'm not saying the anime is something that must always be used or consulted. That'd be silly. I'm saying it can be supporting evidence towards interpretations of something when it may be unclear in the original artwork.
Okay, come on. The things are stationary in the first panel and then they're moving in the next two panels.
How could Ace not be commanding them to move?
What you're seeing as an explosion, I can only see as a mass of fire. And that's what the anime clearly went with as well.
I'm not saying the anime is something that must always be used or consulted. That'd be silly. I'm saying it can be supporting evidence towards interpretations of something when it may be unclear in the original artwork.
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> Okay, come on. The things are stationary in the first panel and then they're moving in the next two panels.
Again that's clearly not the case. What's happening is that the fire Flys explode, igniting him on fire from a Distance. Saying that he's simply being lit on fire is quite frankly dishonest whenever the clear thing that's happening here is Ace causing the fire to explode right in front of Teach. And again, this isn't the first time his fire has done this, his Holy Cross also created an explosion upon hitting Banana Rock and his Dai Enkai Entei also caused an explosion when clashing with Teach's darkness.
And once more, we can't pick and choose like that. Either nothing from the anime is alright to use or everything is alright to use. Otherwise I could just as easily use the anime to upgrade the verse with Fujitora's meteorites since they happen like they happen in the Manga.
Again that's clearly not the case. What's happening is that the fire Flys explode, igniting him on fire from a Distance. Saying that he's simply being lit on fire is quite frankly dishonest whenever the clear thing that's happening here is Ace causing the fire to explode right in front of Teach. And again, this isn't the first time his fire has done this, his Holy Cross also created an explosion upon hitting Banana Rock and his Dai Enkai Entei also caused an explosion when clashing with Teach's darkness.
And once more, we can't pick and choose like that. Either nothing from the anime is alright to use or everything is alright to use. Otherwise I could just as easily use the anime to upgrade the verse with Fujitora's meteorites since they happen like they happen in the Manga.
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> And once more, we can't pick and choose like that. Either nothing from the anime is alright to use or everything is alright to use.
Once again you manage to misunderstand me.
I'm not saying we only go by the anime, I'm saying that in cases where it is unclear what is happening in the manga we can look to the anime to see if it makes it any clearer what is happening so that one plausible interpretation can be considered to be more correct than another plausible interpretation.
I'm unconvinced by this but it looks like majority of people agree with you so feel free to add it in whenever a staff member shows up to confirm it.
Once again you manage to misunderstand me.
I'm not saying we only go by the anime, I'm saying that in cases where it is unclear what is happening in the manga we can look to the anime to see if it makes it any clearer what is happening so that one plausible interpretation can be considered to be more correct than another plausible interpretation.
I'm unconvinced by this but it looks like majority of people agree with you so feel free to add it in whenever a staff member shows up to confirm it.
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I actually agree with damage as far as using anime goes. It is secondary canon, so when it adds that is great, when it contradicts, dismiss it.
That said the anime looks like an explosion as well, at least to me. I can kind of understand Damage's view in that there is no blowback but the fireflies are basically compressed fire which then expand. Ace calls it "Popping" which again speaks explosion to me.
Neither in the scans nor in the anime do I see the fireflies actually move and hit BB. they are compressed, then they are not.
So bottom line I vote explosion, but hope whoeever makes the edit makes it clear exactly what it is/is not.
That said the anime looks like an explosion as well, at least to me. I can kind of understand Damage's view in that there is no blowback but the fireflies are basically compressed fire which then expand. Ace calls it "Popping" which again speaks explosion to me.
Neither in the scans nor in the anime do I see the fireflies actually move and hit BB. they are compressed, then they are not.
So bottom line I vote explosion, but hope whoeever makes the edit makes it clear exactly what it is/is not.
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@Dr. Fix; you see the green Fireflys in the middle panel in the page posted in the OP? See how they have a contrail behind them? As in they're thicker at one end with a tapering tail behind them? That indicates movement to me. They're moving towards Blackbeard which is why they have the long, thinning trail behind them.
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I'll add limited explosion manipulation then.
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Blackbeard was force to learn stuff while on fire? Goddamn, that must be a rigorous training course. OwORin The Dragon Empress said:
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As for the OP's suggestion I'm neutral. After seeing Damage's point I'm not sure myself.
And I agree with Damage about the use of the anime. If it's supported by the manga, using it shouldn't be much of a problem.
And I agree with Damage about the use of the anime. If it's supported by the manga, using it shouldn't be much of a problem.
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So you agree that it is just Fire Manipulation for Ace in that page?
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I'm fine with Dr.Fix's suggestion then.
