Question about Plot, BDE2, Layer hax

[ThienDe01]

1. If a character destroys the AE1 plot, does that character have a plot hax? or is it just npi plot?
2. Character A is formed from Lore. If the lore is destroyed, character A disappears, but when character A is destroyed, the lore remains. When lore changes, character A also changes. So is that Lore a Plot Fundamental?
3. What level of existence is a character that lacks the concept of space, the concept of time, and the concept of dimension? And what feats does that character achieve for it?
4. A character with infinite layer resistance hax resisted several characters with infinite layer hax, but was affected by character B using finite layer hax. What feat did character B achieve?
5. Does BDE2 require large character size?

 

[ThienDe01]

bump

 

[Newbiman]

1. If a character destroys the AE1 plot, does that character have a plot hax? or is it just npi plot?

they will have both

5. Does BDE2 require large character size?

you can argue for 1-A if the lore can't be affected by the characters. Character A is formed from Lore.

3. What level of existence is a character that lacks the concept of space, the concept of time, and the concept of dimension? And what feats does that character achieve for it?

depend if the character is superior to the space-time they will get either 1-A or L1-A

4. A character with infinite layer resistance hax resisted several characters with infinite layer hax, but was affected by character B using finite layer hax. What feat did character B achieve?

power null infinite layer

5. Does BDE2 require large character size?

yep

 

[Faridw]

4. A character with infinite layer resistance hax resisted several characters with infinite layer hax, but was affected by character B using finite layer hax. What feat did character B achieve?

resistance negation/bypass resistance

 

[Faridw]

power null infinite layer

Isn't that bypass resistance or resistance negation?

 

[Newbiman]

Isn't that bypass resistance or resistance negation?

thk

 

[ThienDe01]

you can argue for 1-A if the lore can't be affected by the characters. Character A is formed from Lore.

Why is Lore ranked 1A? I don't know if this has anything to do with tier.

depend if the character is superior to the space-time they will get either 1-A or L1-A

If that character transcends the concept of space and the concept of time, is it automatically L1A being?

resistance negation/bypass resistance

Can it be converted to layer hax?

 

[Faridw]

Can it be converted to layer hax?

NO, BECAUSE IT IGNORE/BYPASS/PEET THE HAX SYSTEM LAYER

 

[Faridw]

NO, BECAUSE IT IGNORE/BYPASS/PEET THE HAX SYSTEM LAYER

but if there is a character who can withstand bypass/negation resistance, then that character will get layered

 

[Faridw]

1. If a character destroys the AE1 plot, does that character have a plot hax? or is it just npi plot?

will get npi AE1 plot and plot hax because to affect AE1 Plot must affect the plot itself

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

1. If a character destroys the AE1 plot, does that character have a plot hax? or is it just npi plot?
2. Character A is formed from Lore. If the lore is destroyed, character A disappears, but when character A is destroyed, the lore remains. When lore changes, character A also changes. So is that Lore a Plot Fundamental?
3. What level of existence is a character that lacks the concept of space, the concept of time, and the concept of dimension? And what feats does that character achieve for it?
4. A character with infinite layer resistance hax resisted several characters with infinite layer hax, but was affected by character B using finite layer hax. What feat did character B achieve?
5. Does BDE2 require large character size?

1.) Just NPI without further context how
2.) Yes
3.) BDE Type 1 without context with unknown Tier
4.) Contradiction, Outlier if nothing changed from Character B at that moment. Might want to reevaluate the Infinite layer if that is the case
5.) As they are already beyond physical size they would be larger than anything bound by dimension in a sense

 

[ThienDe01]

Just NPI without further context how

if that move is supposed to erase existence, then there should be an existence erase (AE1 plot) right? then can it be reduced to plot hax?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

if that move is supposed to erase existence, then there should be an existence erase (AE1 plot) right? then can it be reduced to plot hax?

just plot erasure

 

[ThienDe01]

Yes

1. But for Lore to be a fundamental plot, does character A have to be metafictional? Or does Lore have to have the "govern" nature as I described above? I see many people say that for a plot to be a fundamental plot, it must have metafictional elements.
2. Is there a requirement for Plot fundamental's range of influence? Is it the entire 4D reality or a single character's range?

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

1. If a character destroys the AE1 plot, does that character have a plot hax? or is it just npi plot?

Plot hax

2. Character A is formed from Lore. If the lore is destroyed, character A disappears, but when character A is destroyed, the lore remains. When lore changes, character A also changes. So is that Lore a Plot Fundamental?

Yes .

3. What level of existence is a character that lacks the concept of space, the concept of time, and the concept of dimension? And what feats does that character achieve for it?

BDE type 1

4. A character with infinite layer resistance hax resisted several characters with infinite layer hax, but was affected by character B using finite layer hax. What feat did character B achieve?

Infinte layered Resistance negation

5. Does BDE2 require large character size?

No .

 

[ThienDe01]

Looking at the different answers makes me confused.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Looking at the different answers makes me confused.

Well , @TheGreatJedi13 is the most correct one here .

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

1. But for Lore to be a fundamental plot, does character A have to be metafictional? Or does Lore have to have the "govern" nature as I described above? I see many people say that for a plot to be a fundamental plot, it must have metafictional elements.
2. Is there a requirement for Plot fundamental's range of influence? Is it the entire 4D reality or a single character's range?

1.) Mostly yes, so you know which ones can be affected by plot hax since their effects vary depending on what the ability or the feat has achieved. For example, some plot hax acts like fate hax, where a predetermined plot will unfold regardless of what occurs. Or some plot hacks ignore anything in the story, forcing the user's desired plot, and in some cases, they use specific changes in the form of a 4th wall break.
For most cases, you can still achieve plot hax without necessarily doing 4th wall breaks and such (or having awareness that you're in a story) as long as it is acknowledged that the story can be changed through the story rather than some other haxes like concept, abstract, or other means outside plot manipulation, etc.
2.) Depends on how the story explains or elaborates on them. We have a page called Metaphysical aspect. Wherein some fiction can make it so plot is lower in the hierarchy or higher. It's all case by case.
As for the range. Case by case as well, but if it's specifically targeting an Abstract metaphysical aspect of plot that has priority over other universal forces like Concept, history, time, type 2 information. Then it very much affects the entirety of what universal force can affect as well.
If it's a plot hax on a limited rang,e then it depends on the shown range