Question about Tier 1-A

[Astral_void4]

This will be a short question, but I started wondering whether a 1-A being necessarily has to lack a physical body, or if it could still manifest or exist through a physical form without ceasing to belong to that category.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yeah, it's called avatar creation

 

[Astral_void4]

Yeah, it's called avatar creation

I understand, but shouldn’t the true nature of a 1-A being be incapable of having a physical body, unless that body is merely an avatar or a manifestation?

 

[Lycoris4812]

I understand, but shouldn’t the true nature of a 1-A being be incapable of having a physical body, unless that body is merely an avatar or a manifestation?

No.

 

[Astral_void4]

No.

So, does a 1-A being not necessarily have to lack a physical body?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I understand, but shouldn’t the true nature of a 1-A being be incapable of having a physical body, unless that body is merely an avatar or a manifestation?

Depends on the context, some verses make it so even being L1A makes you lose any physicality unless operating directly under lower dimensional avatars, however iirc even 1A characters operation on a notion of dimensionality, it is just far more unique and unconventional than anything below 1A. Though generally, from what I have seen yeah, most 1A characters tend to be incorporeal/nonphysical but I don't think it's a strict disqualifier or anything (unless the physical body is stated to be 3D or compared to that or something)

 

[Lycoris4812]

So, does a 1-A being not necessarily have to lack a physical body?

Yeah.

 

[Astral_void4]

Depends on the context, some verses make it so even being L1A makes you lose any physicality unless operating directly under lower dimensional avatars, however iirc even 1A characters operation on a notion of dimensionality, it is just far more unique and unconventional than anything below 1A. Though generally, from what I have seen yeah, most 1A characters tend to be incorporeal/nonphysical but I don't think it's a strict disqualifier or anything (unless the physical body is stated to be 3D or compared to that or something)

I see, so a 1-A being could have a physical form as long as that physicality is not limited to a conventional 3D existence? Or am I misunderstanding the concept?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I see, so a 1-A being could have a physical form as long as that physicality is not limited to a conventional 3D existence? Or am I misunderstanding the concept?

From what I know more or less, but the verse in question has to define what exactly it refers to as "physicality", because it is very easy for a statement like that to be seen as an immediate disqualifier for 1A. I'd try and get more opinions though (preferably from staff) maybe SpaceMan sees this later

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Since 1-A can be achieved through R > F, they don't 'have' to exist a certain way. They can just be normal beings in a higher reality, but their bodies will just be more real than those of the lower reality.

 

[Vietthai96]

1. What Spaceman said

2. You can have higher concept of physicality that is more real and totally beyond what below

 

[Reiner04]

Their physical composition would consist of elements that are outside, distinct from, and superior to the entire set of all possible extensions of the lower reality, to the point that lower realm do not even exist in comparison.

 

[Astral_void4]

From what I know more or less, but the verse in question has to define what exactly it refers to as "physicality", because it is very easy for a statement like that to be seen as an immediate disqualifier for 1A. I'd try and get more opinions though (preferably from staff) maybe SpaceMan sees this later

Since 1-A can be achieved through R > F, they don't 'have' to exist a certain way. They can just be normal beings in a higher reality, but their bodies will just be more real than those of the lower reality.

1. What Spaceman said

2. You can have higher concept of physicality that is more real and totally beyond what below

Their physical composition would consist of elements that are outside, distinct from, and superior to the entire set of all possible extensions of the lower reality, to the point that lower realm do not even exist in comparison.

I understand it better now, thanks for the clarifications.

 

[Hecky2222]

1-A is like just inaccessiblity. Idk why people interpret it as Abstract Existence(or else every 1-A would be given AE1 by default)

 

[Vietthai96]

1-A is like just inaccessiblity. Idk why people interpret it as Abstract Existence(or else every 1-A would be given AE1 by default)

Because the first thing people think about 1-A was abstractions, concepts that free from physicality, dimensionality

 

[Hecky2222]

Because the first thing people think about 1-A was abstractions, concepts that free from physicality, dimensionality

With same reasons some people think Independent Concepts are Qualitatively Superior

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I believe every 1A character does need to lack conventional physicality though no? Just that they can operate on a higher notion of dimensionality exclusive to their reality

 

[Vietthai96]

I believe every 1A character does need to lack conventional physicality though no? Just that they can operate on a higher notion of dimensionality exclusive to their reality

That only get them BDE Type 3, not AE1

 

[Hecky2222]

I believe every 1A character does need to lack conventional physicality though no? Just that they can operate on a higher notion of dimensionality exclusive to their reality

1-A in question is just Qualititavely superior to non 1-A(Cant be accessed to any non 1-A add-ups)

With same reason you can completely transcend fiction via reality yet you have own "3 dimensionsal size". Just that dimensions and size in question would be qualitatively superior to below

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

That only get them BDE Type 3, not AE1

Oh, well yeah I didn't mean AE1 specifically