Questions about AE1 Plot

[ThienDe01]

1. What are some ways to beat a character that is AE1 Plot without Plot hax?

2. If a character is AE1 "fate fundamental" and everything in the verse must follow that character, can that character be upgraded to "AE1 Plot fundamental"? If not, what additional conditions are needed to upgrade to plot fundamental?

 

[ThienDe01]

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[ThienDe01]

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[AlexSamDen]

1. Yes, Plot NPI
2. No, Plot is strictly limited to story itself and "real world" things. No amount and/or greatness of fate can become plot

 

[ThienDe01]

1. Yes, Plot NPI

What if there is no "NPI Plot"?

 

[AlexSamDen]

What if there is no "NPI Plot"?

Just like any other AE1, if someone has AE1 on CM1 and you don't have NPI or CM1, you can't interact with them

 

[ThienDe01]

Just like any other AE1, if someone has AE1 on CM1 and you don't have NPI or CM1, you can't interact with them

Is there really no other way?

 

[AlexSamDen]

Is there really no other way?

Pretty much none, there is a reason AE1 is always a major part of VS matchups. Well technically if their AE1 is tied to some other aspect of existence, kinda like Immortality type 8, then you can affect that aspect to strip them of their AE, but it's an extremely rare case

 

[Absolutely_111~]

What if there is no "NPI Plot"?

I think it was mentioned on the page

Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.

 

[ThienDe01]

Pretty much none, there is a reason AE1 is always a major part of VS matchups. Well technically if their AE1 is tied to some other aspect of existence, kinda like Immortality type 8, then you can affect that aspect to strip them of their AE, but it's an extremely rare case

So if we destroy the plane of existence, can we destroy AE1 Plot?

 

[Absolutely_111~]

So if we destroy the plane of existence, can we destroy AE1 Plot?

The term about PoE only appears in Vietnam. You should ignore it on this wiki page.

 

[AlexSamDen]

So if we destroy the plane of existence, can we destroy AE1 Plot?

Wdym by plane of existence? If you just destroy the verse, no. If some higher things, which I heavily doubt are possible without plot Mani or 1A, maybe, but still not definitely

 

[Rikimarox2]

1. What are some ways to beat a character that is AE1 Plot without Plot hax?

Unless said character doesn't have a concept/info/whatever, then concept or info hax could screw them over. Hell, even other esoteric hax such as Fate or whatever, if said character doesn't have resistance to it (or fate isn't mentioned in the verse), even that could potentially beat them.

 

[Absolutely_111~]

Wdym by plane of existence? If you just destroy the verse, no. If some higher things, which I heavily doubt are possible without plot Mani or 1A, maybe, but still not definitely

Yeah. PoE is often defined as the entire space-time within a verse,
if I go further, I can only say that PoE is a place that contains everything in the verse, something like that...

 

[AlexSamDen]

Yeah. PoE is often defined as the entire space-time within a verse,
if I go further, I can only say that PoE is a place that contains everything in the verse, something like that...

Then no

 

[ClockFire]

Then no

Not exactly. Just read the AE page.

Abstract entities recurrently strictly embody a concept, thought, or idea up to a certain level of reality. For example, Eternity only embodies time on a local, universal scale. If the universe is destroyed, so is he.

 

[Arency]

1. What are some ways to beat a character that is AE1 Plot without Plot hax?

I don't remember which staff, but one them told me that you can win by using indirect attacks that doesn't target the character, like time stop, fate ect...

(Update : nvm, it was you Alex lol)

 

[AlexSamDen]

Not exactly. Just read the AE page.

Yeah, and plot is above the reality it governs

 

[AlexSamDen]

(Update : nvm, it was you Alex lol)

It's good to be a staff, you know)

 

[ThienDe01]

Unless said character doesn't have a concept/info/whatever, then concept or info hax could screw them over. Hell, even other esoteric hax such as Fate or whatever, if said character doesn't have resistance to it (or fate isn't mentioned in the verse), even that could potentially beat them.

You mean you can use concept hax to beat AE1 Plot?

 

[ThienDe01]

Yeah, and plot is above the reality it governs

But what if that AE1 plot doesn't govern reality but governs an object that exists within reality?

 

[Vietthai96]

1. What are some ways to beat a character that is AE1 Plot without Plot hax?

Plot NPI, being qualitative superior or if AE1 Plot character can't survive their reality get nuked

2. If a character is AE1 "fate fundamental" and everything in the verse must follow that character, can that character be upgraded to "AE1 Plot fundamental"? If not, what additional conditions are needed to upgrade to plot fundamental?

1. What is fate fundamental?
2. Just fate, plot is underlying narration

 

[ThienDe01]

1. What is fate fundamental?

fate acts as a fundamental aspect that governs the object (like how "concept type 1" governs).

Plot NPI, being qualitative superior or if AE1 Plot character can't survive their reality get nuked

thank you.

 

[Vietthai96]

fate acts as a fundamental aspect that governs the object (like how "concept type 1" governs).

Still fate, nothing to do with plot

 

[Rikimarox2]

Fate could honestly also be Plot shenanigans depending on the verse. IIRC some xianxia verse had fate as the actual narrative shit, and normal fate shenanigans do.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Fate could honestly also be Plot shenanigans depending on the verse. IIRC some xianxia verse had fate as the actual narrative shit, and normal fate shenanigans do.

Well, different verses can have different names for plot, but our standarts for plot are pretty straightforward and strict. So far, I haven't seen anything that could qualify here

 

[ClockFire]

Yeah, and plot is above the reality it governs

If the plot's object is not space-time, then of course it will still be destroyed along with the L2-C universe. The default is seen as such.
AE still need a plane to maintain their existence, and the timeline is that thing. Their PPF is still existing on the timeline.

 

[AlexSamDen]

If the plot's object is not space-time, then of course it will still be destroyed along with the L2-C universe. The default is seen as such.
AE still need a plane to maintain their existence, and the timeline is that thing. Their PPF is still existing on the timeline.

Not necessarily. Fiction has different ways to portray different concepts with it not being rare that AE individuals are unaffected by the destruction of their structure. Heck, it would even be contradictory if we say that AE on CM1 could be affected this way. Similarly with plot, it's often portrayed as above and independent of the reality

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah no, plot isn't independent of reality by default, it need to be proven as such