Kirbonic_Pikmin
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No fear, I'm not hear to downgrade anything, I'm not nearly knowledgeable in FF to do such a thing. In fact I'm actually hear in pursuit of knowledge. I'm researching a matchup I'm very invested in, and am writing a massive blog on the fight itself, and am having a bit of trouble finding some information necessary to help determine the verdict. The way I'm researching this fight is splitting Yuffie between two keys and having two fights, one key being her from original canon (FF7, Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, Remake, everything pertaining to FF7's canon), and a second fight utilizing her Dissidia incarnation. Generally navigating the pages to scrounge up the information I need on the verse has been a massive ******* pain and something I've spent far longer than I'd like to admit and I'm at my wits' end, so I figured I'd ask and hopefully get some assistance from those knowledgeable. So, here are my questions!:
1. Yuffie from FF7 & the associated original canon stuff, are any of her abilities, haxx, or resistances layered? This question may seem unimportant in most situations, but is incredibly important when it comes to this matchup. Anything of note is helpful. Is all of her magic baseline, or is it layered enough to bypass and affect those with resistances to specific spells? Are any of her resistances layered enough to remain unaffected by those who's attacks are layered enough to bypass other people's resistances? Even if only a few of her spells or resistances have layering, it would be appreciated. Also a note of any potential dimensional power to her magic would be appreciated. I know characters such as Kefka have 4D haxx/magic, does Yuffie have anything to this degree?
2. Essentially the same question as above, but for Dissidia. With how high the scale for Dissidia is, I'm sure there has to be at least a degree of layered haxx going on, if not that, then at least dimensional hierarchies when it comes to haxx, such as abilities being able to affect 4D or 5D entities?
3. Does anyone have a general list of major AP/Durability feats from the Dissidia series that Yuffie has either performed, or would scale to? I have things such as participating in the defeat of Shinryu Verus and the scaling to Chaos/Feral Chaos, as well as the Crystal of Darkness stuff, but is there anything else of note earned from Dissidia? Even feats that aren't absolutely insane or on a multiversal scale are appreciated. This blog tried to encompass as many notable feats for both characters, so having other things to note in the Dissidia section besides just the Multiverse+ scaling from Shinryu, Chaos, and the Crystals/Void would be nice.
4. I need to bitch about speed specifically because this has been driving me crazy. Finding the necessary speed calcs on this was absolutely insane. Several of the links on FF7 characters pages mention a millions x FTL feat off of Red XII that just IS NOT indexed correctly on any of the profiles, the links that you click end up leading to a blog that calculates the AP of the attack but not ITS SPEED. I had to find the calc for speed somewhere on the FF Verse page, which took longer than I'd like to admit. I managed to find an FF8 speed calc that Dissidia Yuffie scales to via Gilgamesh apparently scaling to the calc, which would be a 6.31 trillion x FTL feat, but that's not as impressive as the Sephiroth Supernova speed calc which was around 20.6 trillion x FTL iirc. Are there any other notable speed feats that Dissidia characters would scale too? I generally just end up on a circular scaling route off of "scaling to other Warriors of Materia" which leads to "scales to Warrior of Light" which just ends up leading to something less impressive than the Sephiroth Supernova stuff. Does anyone have anything helpful on this front or is the 20.6 trillion x FTL Supernova reactions gonna be the best that FF7 & Dissidia Yuffie scale to?
I know these were a lot of questions and I may have more questions for clarification and such later, but these have been driving me crazy for ages now and I haven't had any luck in solving them on my own. Thanks for your time if anyone ends up responding to this.
1. Yuffie from FF7 & the associated original canon stuff, are any of her abilities, haxx, or resistances layered? This question may seem unimportant in most situations, but is incredibly important when it comes to this matchup. Anything of note is helpful. Is all of her magic baseline, or is it layered enough to bypass and affect those with resistances to specific spells? Are any of her resistances layered enough to remain unaffected by those who's attacks are layered enough to bypass other people's resistances? Even if only a few of her spells or resistances have layering, it would be appreciated. Also a note of any potential dimensional power to her magic would be appreciated. I know characters such as Kefka have 4D haxx/magic, does Yuffie have anything to this degree?
2. Essentially the same question as above, but for Dissidia. With how high the scale for Dissidia is, I'm sure there has to be at least a degree of layered haxx going on, if not that, then at least dimensional hierarchies when it comes to haxx, such as abilities being able to affect 4D or 5D entities?
3. Does anyone have a general list of major AP/Durability feats from the Dissidia series that Yuffie has either performed, or would scale to? I have things such as participating in the defeat of Shinryu Verus and the scaling to Chaos/Feral Chaos, as well as the Crystal of Darkness stuff, but is there anything else of note earned from Dissidia? Even feats that aren't absolutely insane or on a multiversal scale are appreciated. This blog tried to encompass as many notable feats for both characters, so having other things to note in the Dissidia section besides just the Multiverse+ scaling from Shinryu, Chaos, and the Crystals/Void would be nice.
4. I need to bitch about speed specifically because this has been driving me crazy. Finding the necessary speed calcs on this was absolutely insane. Several of the links on FF7 characters pages mention a millions x FTL feat off of Red XII that just IS NOT indexed correctly on any of the profiles, the links that you click end up leading to a blog that calculates the AP of the attack but not ITS SPEED. I had to find the calc for speed somewhere on the FF Verse page, which took longer than I'd like to admit. I managed to find an FF8 speed calc that Dissidia Yuffie scales to via Gilgamesh apparently scaling to the calc, which would be a 6.31 trillion x FTL feat, but that's not as impressive as the Sephiroth Supernova speed calc which was around 20.6 trillion x FTL iirc. Are there any other notable speed feats that Dissidia characters would scale too? I generally just end up on a circular scaling route off of "scaling to other Warriors of Materia" which leads to "scales to Warrior of Light" which just ends up leading to something less impressive than the Sephiroth Supernova stuff. Does anyone have anything helpful on this front or is the 20.6 trillion x FTL Supernova reactions gonna be the best that FF7 & Dissidia Yuffie scale to?
I know these were a lot of questions and I may have more questions for clarification and such later, but these have been driving me crazy for ages now and I haven't had any luck in solving them on my own. Thanks for your time if anyone ends up responding to this.