Re:Zero Existence Erasure Removal

[Fezzih_007]

Where この世 literally just means this world or this life.

I already read this scene.

You forcing me to repeat myself.
"And with a single flash, erased Roy Alphard of Gluttony, wrapped in blue flame, from this world" is just the text metaphorically saying he killed Roy.

Extrapolating that to EE don't make sense, Reinhard already can one tap Roy normally, he don't need to EE Roy.

He would continue burning, the burning would never dissipate (which wouldn’t make sense if it was burning him to death since his soul would then return to Od Laguna

Not really.

“Should I renounce this oath, my soul shall be tainted and my flesh enveloped and burned away by purifying flame. And my soul shall fall into the void, never to return to Od Lagna again.” Re:Zero Light Novel Volume 15, Closing Chapter, Section 5.

When someone break a oath, they soul don't return to od lagna.

 

[Hercules1125]

I already read this scene.

You forcing me to repeat myself.
"And with a single flash, erased Roy Alphard of Gluttony, wrapped in blue flame, from this world" is just the text metaphorically saying he killed Roy.

Extrapolating that to EE don't make sense, Reinhard already can one tap Roy normally, he don't need to EE Roy.

You don’t know that, perhaps the reason why he chose to EE him there is so that his soul is no longer being used as kindling for a fire that would never diminish so he erases him. You never skepticise people on why they have EE on this basis.

Not really.

When someone break a oath, they soul don't return to od lagna.

Peep how he says THIS oath, which is not analogous to ALL oaths.

 

[UrongSygn1]

the real question is what the hell did reinhard do to turn "the night sky" into day when he erased puck and the world and remade the world

 

[Hercules1125]

the real question is what the hell did reinhard do to turn "the night sky" into day when he erased puck and the world and remade the world

I mean it’s obvious he just destroyed the universe IMO then remade it, I just interpret it as there being a time limit for who he can destroy and bring back, or they must be killed by the dragon sword

 

[MrTayman616]

Huh, I didn't realize Reid's justification only used that one scan, I thought it was this:

His simple sword slash becomes a light that splits the world, erasing everything in the light's path.

Which is then directly compared to Reinhard:

The point is that it cuts the world itself, no? The series shows that several times as well.

This isn't EE, especially when the reasoning itself is based on cutting the world. This'd just be spatial manipulation.

Is the argument that Reinhard's sword slash didn't target Puck's body and only attacked his soul? That would make no sense, the Dragon Sword isn't selective like the Yang Sword, it will destroy what it hits, not just ignore it and hit everything except his opponent's body.

No, that's not the argument.

And as for range, it is the case that it was along the arc of his slash that the world slid, it's still the entire frozen world that was destroyed and restored, i.e all directions. In fact, another sword slash that's said to be the same as one of Reinhard's explicitly affected all directions instead of just in front of them, he can be choosy with his direction here.

The novel specifically tells us what happens there.

The next instant, Reinhard raised the Dragon Blade above his head, and there was a single flash of light—the sky split, cracks running through the very air; the ground crumbled; mana swirled in a vortex; and along the arc of his slash, the world…slid.
“—”
The moment after that cascading slash settled down, the white, cold air covering the world…recovered.
The slide in the world was repaired, the parts that had become a swirling vortex of mana reverted to their proper forms, flowers budded forth from the shattered ground, and peace spread through the cracked air. From the sky, dazzling sunrays poured down.
And the enormous beast that had been bathed in that slash had been annihilated from the world without a trace. There were not even side effects of destruction to be seen; that a battle had even taken place seemed like nothing but a dream.

He didn't "erase" everything there or something like that either as the ground still existed, just shattered. Same for the sky, the air around them. The description in the novel shows it, same for the manga version which shows the scene here seemingly accurate to novel.

Literally says that the white cold air covering the world still remained after the world slid by his slash, but then recovered. Ground just shattered but it still remained, which later healed. Just Restoration feat.

Even if the restoration reaches that far, that doesn't mean his attack range does as we don't even see such a thing in any of the feats there.

The sword affects the surrounding, sure. But doesn't appear to be in a omnidirectional AOE style...

And I'm not saying it has no affect around the surrounding, but it's far different than where he slashes. Not like space itself gets slashed in every direction or everything gets erased etc.

Impact of Reinhard's slash also shattered the ground around him and stuff, Cecilus's slash blown away the stone pillars that were literally right beside him. This doesn't say anything for the range&AOE.

 

[Entity]

Is the argument that Reinhard's sword slash didn't target Puck's body and only attacked his soul? That would make no sense, the Dragon Sword isn't selective like the Yang Sword, it will destroy what it hits, not just ignore it and hit everything except his opponent's body.

I think the arguement is more like that the attack destroys both body and soul and that's the reason Puck disappears, but does not qualify for Existence Erasure, like a kamehameha, but it also targets the soul of the enemy

 

[UrongSygn1]

I think the arguement is more like that the attack destroys both body and soul and that's the reason Puck disappears, but does not qualify for Existence Erasure, like a kamehameha, but it also targets the soul of the enemy

Dura Neg Kamehameha Goku could never

 

[Entity]

Dura Neg Kamehameha Goku could never

EE and Soul manipulation to all ki blasts

 

[Huesito88]

Dura Neg Kamehameha Goku could never

I mean very briefly we did have soul dura neg for Goku

 

[Zabazab]

And I'm not saying it has no affect around the surrounding, but it's far different than where he slashes. Not like space itself gets slashed in every direction or everything gets erased etc.

Impact of Reinhard's slash also shattered the ground around him and stuff, Cecilus's slash blown away the stone pillars that were literally right beside him. This doesn't say anything for the range&AOE.

It's fine if only that which falls within the arc of the slash is hit with whatever esoteric effects the swordcery has as long as the attack itself is still omnidirectional, yeah.

The point is that it cuts the world itself, no? The series shows that several times as well.

This isn't EE, especially when the reasoning itself is based on cutting the world. This'd just be spatial manipulation.

A space-cutting slash does not necessarily erase things, so the fact that the light does erase everything in its path means it's EE.

 

[UrongSygn1]

the real question is what the hell did reinhard do to turn "the night sky" into day when he erased puck and the world and remade the world

Also this is really important to me, dude just did a "/Time Set Day"

 

[UrongSygn1]

It's fine if only that which falls within the arc of the slash is hit with whatever esoteric effects the swordcery has as long as the attack itself is still omnidirectional, yeah.


A space-cutting slash does not necessarily erase things, so the fact that the light does erase everything in its path means it's EE.

I do think Reid should have EE, Reinhard is a weird case because its kinda vague tbh

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I saw that there are other statements like Reid’s.

But the main ones about “annihilated from the world without a trace” and “strike vanished without a trace”—could they just mean a very high level of destruction?

Since the guys above mentioned Dragon Ball. Like, the Genki Dama annihilated Kid Buu without leaving a trace—especially since Buu can fully regenerate even if he’s turned into vapor. And the Genki Dama isn’t EE because of that (actually, if that’s in the profile, let me know, because I don’t feel like checking).

So I think it’s just a figure of speech rather than literal erasure of existence.

Although I think for Reid it’s more literal—at least the statements seem less vague.

 

[Huesito88]

so the fact that the light does erase everything in its path means it's EE.

What are the chances that attack's effect is done via raw power difference?

 

[Kachon123]

I think this makes sense. I agree

 

[Fezzih_007]

And the Genki Dama isn’t EE because of that (actually, if that’s in the profile, let me know, because I don’t feel like checking).

Is not EE.

 

[E1iminxtion]

Since the guys above mentioned Dragon Ball. Like, the Genki Dama annihilated Kid Buu without leaving a trace—especially since Buu can fully regenerate even if he’s turned into vapor. And the Genki Dama isn’t EE because of that (actually, if that’s in the profile, let me know, because I don’t feel like checking).

its not, and im assuming that isnt a mistake or an oversight because hakai is a thing and is very much EE

 

[Random-Helper323]

So far, I'm leaning towards the destruction of Puck being safest to classify as Non-Physical Interaction for hitting his soul.

Unsure about the rest so far.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Following

 

[Zabazab]

Unsure about the rest so far.

How about this?

 

[Random-Helper323]

How about this?

That by itself could possibly be AP though.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I am actually fairly certain that the flash bang that they perform is a hax via skill similar to the other stuff we get from the skillslop instead of AP. This is because its specifically stated that someone on par with Reinhard's Skill can perform the feat. It is explicit that Cecilus does not even scale close to Reinhard's strength.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Seems fine to me from a glance.

 

[Hercules1125]

Just gonna say I think it’s obvious Reinhard and Reid have EE, so no.

 

[Hercules1125]

That by itself could possibly be AP though.

No amount of AP erases things, it will only turn them at most into its most fundamental form, matter cannot be erased so it’s quite obvious IMO that it’s EE.

I will say though, that the justification we had in the past was pretty butt

 

[Planck69]

The removal of Existence Erasure is fine, based on what I'm seeing here. Non-Physical Interaction or Soul Manipulation fit better here.

 

[Huesito88]

No amount of AP erases things, it will only turn them at most into its most fundamental form, matter cannot be erased so it’s quite obvious IMO that it’s EE.

That's in real life yes, in fiction that can be a possibility though.

 

[Hercules1125]

That's in real life yes, in fiction that can be a possibility though.

Are you claiming that the matter in fiction works differently from real life without evidence of a distinction? And if so you do realise if I steel man this and apply this skepticism to everything related to matter in fiction, scaling is impossible, right?

 

[UrongSygn1]

Can we adress the Elephant in the room? How did Reinhard make night turn day? Like we got bigger fish to fry (also i do think its EE, atleast for Reid, Reinhard is kinda vague tho so idk (Reinhard Probably has EE tho), But Reid definetly has EE)

 

[Fezzih_007]

Can we adress the Elephant in the room? How did Reinhard make night turn day?

That's like, the third time you bring that up lol

You should try your luck in the general discussion thread, no one wants to discuss that here.

 

[UrongSygn1]

That's like, the third time you bring that up lol

You should try your luck in the general discussion thread, no one wants to discuss that here.

I mean it is related to the EE and Restoration, since he did allthat simultaneously

 

[Fezzih_007]

I mean it is related to the EE and Restoration, since he did allthat simultaneously

Yeah, but no one wants to talk about that now.

We discussing just the EE.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

This is all because you threw Reinhard at Saitama.

 

[Zabazab]

This is all because you threw Reinhard at Saitama.

This doesn't change the outcome of Reinhard vs Saitama.

That by itself could possibly be AP though.

Reid isn't really relying on AP, but the more esoteric properties of the Heavenly Sword. It's the same way you can't cut space with sheer AP, and how his "strength" doesn't change between wielding a chopstick and wielding a holy sword.

 

[UrongSygn1]

This doesn't change the outcome of Reinhard vs Saitama.


Reid isn't really relying on AP, but the more esoteric properties of the Heavenly Sword. It's the same way you can't cut space with sheer AP, and how his "strength" doesn't change between wielding a chopstick and wielding a holy sword.

Reid 100% should have EE