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Rebirth Superman vs Zero

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I personally think Clark will fall first by that metric since Zero also has other Cyber Elves aside from his ten revives that can restore his ammo supply or energy reserves in case he runs out of Time Stopper to keep him in the game as well as to boost his speed to give him more time to work with outside of his Time Stopper. They're not huge boosts but certainly useful for keeping him alive a little longer alongside his teleportation.
Fair, but I do not think the Absolute Zero thing will necessarily kill Superman (especially given Superman's beyond infinitely greater durability), and the information manipulation thing is it's own debate in regards to reality warping, but I favor against it working.

Does Zero have an ace card that can bypass durability?
 
Fair, but I do not think the Absolute Zero thing will necessarily kill Superman (especially given Superman's beyond infinitely greater durability), and the information manipulation thing is it's own debate in regards to reality warping, but I favor against it working.

Does Zero have an ace card that can bypass durability?
Yeah, literally everything I just listed. If that Info Hax stops being contested, which it shouldn't even be in the first place since its two entirely separate forms of hax, then Zero can skip the drag out by just erasing Supes from existence or turn him into a Met which Zero can then just one-shot.
 
Yeah, literally everything I just listed. If that Info Hax stops being contested, which it shouldn't even be in the first place since its two entirely separate forms of hax, then Zero can skip the drag out by just erasing Supes from existence or turn him into a Met which Zero can then just one-shot.
Is the existence erasure layered?

Also, what's a Met?
 
It's powered by the Info Manip Type 2 like all the other Cyber Elf hax so Supes wouldn't be able to resist it like we discussed before.

Little fodder robot from the original classic era games that looks like a construction helmet with legs and eyes.
I have no idea why Information Manipulation is considered different to reality-warping. Not only is the description for it identical to reality-warping, but information manipulation is an inherent component in reality-warping. Information is "what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things", manipulating information in this context involves changing the fundamental building blocks of reality to the user's will, it's the exact same process as reality warping.

Also, Superman's immune to transmutation, so there's that.
 
I have no idea why Information Manipulation is considered different to reality-warping. Not only is the description for it identical to reality-warping, but information manipulation is an inherent component in reality-warping. Information is "what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things", manipulating information in this context involves changing the fundamental building blocks of reality to the user's will, it's the exact same process as reality warping.

Also, Superman's immune to transmutation, so there's that.
Hey man, I'm just telling you what Glass said since he knows how this kind of hax works better than I do. Clark has no resistance to Info Hax on his profile so it works on him. Also the Transmutation is still powered by the Info Manip.
 
Hey man, I'm just telling you what Glass said since he knows how this kind of hax works better than I do. Clark has no resistance to Info Hax on his profile so it works on him. Also the Transmutation is still powered by the Info Manip.
I get it, but based on the descriptions, there is no difference in how the manipulation works.

Honestly, I'm not convinced Zero's effective haxes are viable enough to actual kill or incap Superman. AZ is great and all, including the time-stop, but I'm not sure if Zero can do anything useful once Superman's frozen.

I won't vote quite yet, but I'm leaning more and more towards Superman.
 
I get it, but based on the descriptions, there is no difference in how the manipulation works.

Honestly, I'm not convinced Zero's effective haxes are viable enough to actual kill or incap Superman. AZ is great and all, including the time-stop, but I'm not sure if Zero can do anything useful once Superman's frozen.
I mean the AZ shouldn't just freeze him but outright breakdown his body due to how that works, especially since it's bypassing his resistance, but aight.
I won't vote quite yet, but I'm leaning more and more towards Superman.
I'm gonna keep my vote for Zero.
 
Can you find where it is stated the ice zero has negate resistances versus just being colder than the resistances the robots have, because Superman resist a colder temperature so him dying from the coldness makes no sense
 
Can you find where it is stated the ice zero has negate resistances versus just being colder than the resistances the robots have, because Superman resist a colder temperature so him dying from the coldness makes no sense
He has his AZ from his regular skills that is as potent as the AZ that froze Blizzard Buffalo despite his resistance to it. But some of his Cyber Elves also have it too and we all know how that song and dance is gonna go.
 
Yes but would that be resistance negation rather than just a writing mistake or plot hole. When does something get to be a resistance negation than a contradiction
 
Yes but would that be resistance negation rather than just a writing mistake or plot hole. When does something get to be a resistance negation than a contradiction
That's on you to prove a negative rather than me providing evidence of a positive. Besides, even if this specific AZ didn't work then the Cyber Elves one would due to the Info Manip as Glass and I keep saying.
 
It being a negation of a resistance would be the positive. I’ll make a thread on it tomorrow then.
 
It being a negation of a resistance would be the positive. I’ll make a thread on it tomorrow then.
Have fun with that. Either way X and Zero's profiles get updated with a new hax power, either actually having scans for layered AZ or just being able to bull rush through a resistance regardless.
 
Or it gets removed as a super obvious contraction. Since resistance negation should be a stated power and its not stated just people survive then don’t survive AZ weapons with no reason given.
 
Or it gets removed as a super obvious contraction. Since resistance negation should be a stated power and its not stated just people survive then don’t survive AZ weapons with no reason given.
Tech in Mega Man is constantly advancing so I don't see how it would be a huge contradiction to have found a way to get past that level. Hell, we have Layered Time Stop so Layered AZ isn't much of a stretch.
 
I have no idea why Information Manipulation is considered different to reality-warping. Not only is the description for it identical to reality-warping, but information manipulation is an inherent component in reality-warping. Information is "what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things", manipulating information in this context involves changing the fundamental building blocks of reality to the user's will, it's the exact same process as reality warping.
Reality Warping is just a broad term for every ability that is capable of warping reality. Info 2 hax isn't an inherent component of reality warping, idk where you get this idea from, but rather info 2 hax could achieve reality warping effect, or reality warping is a possible effect of info 2 hax. The possible uses in Reality Warping page only mean you could achieve reality warping effect via the usage of those abilities, not that they are subset or component of reality warping. Of course in some specific verses with specific contexts, there are reality warping ability that have those possible usage abilities as subset, but at least in our site standard, it is exception, not general rule. By default and standard, reality warping is just a very vague and broad term that could be covered and achieved by many other abilities
 
Tech in Mega Man is constantly advancing so I don't see how it would be a huge contradiction to have found a way to get past that level. Hell, we have Layered Time Stop so Layered AZ isn't much of a stretch.
The time stop is unrelated and the weapon is stated to be the very same temperature.
 
Reality Warping is just a broad term for every ability that is capable of warping reality. Info 2 hax isn't an inherent component of reality warping, idk where you get this idea from, but rather info 2 hax could achieve reality warping effect, or reality warping is a possible effect of info 2 hax. The possible uses in Reality Warping page only mean you could achieve reality warping effect via the usage of those abilities, not that they are subset or component of reality warping. Of course in some specific verses with specific contexts, there are reality warping ability that have those possible usage abilities as subset, but at least in our site standard, it is exception, not general rule. By default and standard, reality warping is just a very vague and broad term that could be covered and achieved by many other abilities
Information manipulation is the rewriting of reality, taking the fundamental information of the universe and altering it, changing what is and isn't possible based on the whims of the user. That's exactly what Mr. Mxyzptlk does. On Zero's profile, the information manipulation is literally listed as reality warping, the only difference I see between the Cyber Elves and Mxyztlk is that one is technology-based or whatever and one is magical-imagination based.
 
anyway, after a brief investigation, i suppose zero gonna win, I don't know why sup resist information manip is a thing even though he doesn't have any scan for it
 
It isn’t, not until a site wide crt is made. But Superman doesn’t kill so I see him just knocking zero’s lights out instead.
 
When though, i can only remember he blown up in x1, sacrifice his body in x3, being cut by half in x5, and all of that he always end up death
Zero 2 when he falls unconscious in the sandstorm and Zero 3 where he falls unconscious briefly after Omega explodes followed by X needing to save him.
 
About z3, well i think he did unconscious, forgot about that, but he still wake up right away though, instead i think that robot does really can get unconscious if u think about it, like my old phone got shutdown in a brief moment after i drop it and later it can still turn on
 
He have information manip type 2, can death for 10 times, have layered absolute zero and layered time stop
I think many of the arguments for Zero are a little lackluster- people are just listing the names of the abilities without much elaboration. How fast is the layered absolute zero and what does Zero even use in character? Why can't Superman just like, incap him by punching him hard before getting hit by any ability that would incap him?

Superman's win con is "hit him once" while Zero's is "hit him with 1 ability that we have no idea if he'll actually use before getting destroyed". Zero has like a shit ton of Cyber Elves, so which one is he gonna use on Superman? Resurrection can be bypassed by knocking him out
 
I think many of the arguments for Zero are a little lackluster- people are just listing the names of the abilities without much elaboration. How fast is the layered absolute zero and what does Zero even use in character? Why can't Superman just like, incap him by punching him hard before getting hit by any ability that would incap him?

Superman's win con is "hit him once" while Zero's is "hit him with 1 ability that we have no idea if he'll actually use before getting destroyed". Zero has like a shit ton of Cyber Elves, so which one is he gonna use on Superman? Resurrection can be bypassed by knocking him out
All cyber elves is capable of using information manip, he can use it to rewrite, erase existence, or any defensive hax using cyber elves … in this case pretty sure he gonna use some offensive hax to kill sup, about the knocking out, pretty much sup gonna harness his power very much to knock zero out, even then zero just go unconscious for a few minute, like the situation in z3 where he also get down by the blown that destroy 4 people that strong as him, and he awake right after that
 
he also using element hax a lot and, one of them is az hax, i don’t think he gonna use time stop hax right away but if he witness the strength that sup have, he gonna use it right away
 
And also i want to ask that does sup even hesitate at robot ? Because i’m pretty sure he only knock out human, if i’m wrong then correct me
 
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