Red (Pokemon Origins) vs Rayquaza.

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Both are at 5-B, Red's Aware of what Rayquaza's Typing is and the fight takes place at Sky Pillar.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Red_(Pokémon_Origins) :

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rayquaza :

Incon:

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Both are at 5-B, Red's Aware of what Rayquaza's Typing is and the fight takes place at Sky Pillar.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Red_(Pokémon_Origins) :

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rayquaza :

Incon:

Rayquaza >> Deoxys > Mewtwo, and while Red has both Mewtwo and Mega Charizard X, Rayquaza should be much stronger than both of them, so it would easily defeat Mega Charizard X with Type Advantage (and lack of Dragon moves), and then proceed to beat down Mewtwo as well

Rest are fodder in comparison to these three

Going with Rayquaza

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Tbf, Mega Charizard X ******* Stomped Mewtwo so I think he's more Comparable to Deoxys than Mewtwo would be, but I can still see Rayquaza being Charizard's Superior due to having more Dragon Moves, though Base Rayquaza isn't insanely above Attack Form Deoxys either.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Tbf, Mega Charizard X ******* Stomped Mewtwo so I think he's more Comparable to Deoxys than Mewtwo would be, but I can still see Rayquaza being Charizard's Superior due to having more Dragon Moves, though Base Rayquaza isn't insanely above Attack Form Deoxys either.

Dexoys overpowered Mewtwo in the Manga, and Rayquaza canonically stomped Dexoys with ease

Rayquaza stomps Mewtwo as well, and will defeat Charizard due to AP advantage and type advantage, alongside Charizard X's lack of Dragon moves

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

When the hell did Base Rayquaza stomp Deoxys? I remember Deoxys giving Rayquaza a lot of difficulty in the movie, but if it comes from the Manga then I've never read any of the Pokemon Mangas.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

When the hell did Base Rayquaza stomp Deoxys? I remember Deoxys giving Rayquaza a lot of difficulty in the movie, but if it comes from the Manga then I've never read any of the Pokemon Mangas.

Rayquaza literally one shotted Deoxys with a Hyper Beam

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Rayquaza literally one shotted Deoxys with a Hyper Beam

That's an Off-Guard Base Form Deoxys, Deoxys was literally about to kill Rayquaza earlier in the fight.

 

[The_Pink_God]

This really would must be Mewtwo vs Rayquaza
And according to the scailing Mewtwo just ******* dies

 

[Rez]

This really would must be Mewtwo vs Rayquaza
And according to the scailing Mewtwo just ******* dies

Not really red's mega Charizard x stomped mewtwo

 

[Rez]

I honestly think red can win this with Charizard and Mewtwo fighting on the front line and the three legendary birds functioning as support

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I honestly think red can win this with Charizard and Mewtwo fighting on the front line and the three legendary birds functioning as support

Charizard lacks Dragon moves and half of his moves are resisted by Rayquaza. He ain't winning here

 

[Rez]

Charizard lacks Dragon moves and half of his moves are resisted by Rayquaza. He ain't winning here

Dragon claw

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Dragon claw

Red's Charizard don't have this move. This isn't a regular Charizard

 

[Rez]

Charizard lacks Dragon moves and half of his moves are resisted by Rayquaza. He ain't winning here

And how are Pokemon battle fought here do we use the in verse rules or the trainer can use multiple Pokemon at the same time

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And how are Pokemon battle fought here do we use the inverse rules or the trainer can use multiple Pokemon at the same time

No idea. It's not in character for Red to send all of his Pokemon at once though, so while there's no rule he can't do it, it's unlikely

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I was thinking In-Verse Style, but I guess I could Bloodlust Red to make this more fair for him if I have to.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I was thinking In-Verse Style, but I guess I could Bloodlust Red to make this more fair for him if I have to.

It's still fair, but it's just that Mewtwo and Charizard are below Rayquaza's level

 

[Rez]

It's still fair, but it's just that Mewtwo and Charizard are below Rayquaza's level

Articuno has 4x type advantage and zapdos can paralyze making rayquaza slow

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Articuno has type 4x advantage and zapdos can paralyze making rayquaza slow

Articuno is also Low 6-B, so 4 times that will do absolutely nothing to him

Rayquaza also blitzes the Birds

 

[Rez]

Articuno is also Low 6-B, so 4 times that will do absolutely nothing to him

Rayquaza also blitzes the Birds

Zapdos has an better speed stat

 

[The_Wright_Way]

We don't care about in-game stats, we use in lore feats.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Zapdos has an better speed stat

Hold up, are you actually arguing with In-Game Mechancins?

 

[Rez]

Oh then speed equalise should help here

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

In that case, if Zapdos paralyses Rayqyaza, which almost certainly won't happen before Rayquaza one shots it, then Zapdos would blitz Rayquaza, which would mean the battle would not be added as it will be a case of a slower character blitzing a faster one due to speed equalization

 

[Rez]

In that case, if Zapdos paralyses Rayqyaza, which almost certainly won't happen before Rayquaza one shots it, then Zapdos would blitz Rayquaza, which would mean the battle would not be added as it will be a case of a slower character blitzing a faster one due to speed equalization

The slower character is lowering the faster characters speed here not amping himself to be faster

 

[Rez]

If red is bloodlusted then he can use Mewtwo and Charizard to distract rayquaza and then use zapdos for paralyzing

 

[Rez]

Hold up, are you actually arguing with In-Game Mechancins?

My mistake shouldn't have used that

 

[Rez]

In that case, if Zapdos paralyses Rayqyaza, which almost certainly won't happen before Rayquaza one shots it, then Zapdos would blitz Rayquaza, which would mean the battle would not be added as it will be a case of a slower character blitzing a faster one due to speed equalization

Even the amp rule only applies in speed equalised

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Even the amp rule only applies in speed equalised

Yes. This is why I said that if speed would be equalized and Zapdos will paralyse Rayquaza, then it'll count as a slower character blitzing a faster one

 

[Rez]

Yes. This is why I said that if speed would be equalized and Zapdos will paralyse Rayquaza, then it'll count as a slower character blitzing a faster one

No need to equalise speed here though this battle isn't an stomp without speed equalise also if red's bloodlusted he can just do what I stated above to paralyze rayquaza

 

[Rez]

And about the stomping deoxys part that's rayquaza's high 3-a key meanwhile here the 5-b key is used

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And about the stomping deoxys part that's rayquaza's high 3-a key meanwhile here the 5-b key is used

Rayquaza still defeated Deoxys easily and one shotted it with a Hyper Beam, and Deoxys nearly killed Base Mewtwo in the manga with a psycho boost. Rayquaza shook off the same psycho boost and still easily defeated Deoxys

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

No need to equalise speed here though this battle isn't an stomp without speed equalise also if red's bloodlusted he can just do what I stated above to paralyze rayquaza

Paralysing isn't an option since Rayquaza is already MFTL+ to Infinite speed, while the Birds are Relativistic+

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Yes. This is why I said that if speed would be equalized and Zapdos will paralyse Rayquaza, then it'll count as a slower character blitzing a faster one

...What? Why? It's not a Speed Amp. It's a status effect. There's a difference. That's like saying Spider-Man can't web up faster opponents because then he'd speed blitz.

 

[Rez]

Paralysing isn't an option since Rayquaza is already MFTL+ to Infinite speed, while the Birds are Relativistic+

If red is bloodlusted then he can use Mewtwo and Charizard to distract rayquaza and then use zapdos for paralyzing

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

...What? Why? It's not a Speed Amp. It's a status effect. There's a difference. That's like saying Spider-Man can't web up faster opponents because then he'd speed blitz.

This is a different case then Spiderman immobilizing someone with webs. Paralysis in Pokémon is also Speed Reduction, which is equivqlent of the opponent recieving a Speed Buff

 

[Rez]

This is a different case then Spiderman immobilizing someone with webs. Paralysis in Pokémon is also Speed Reduction, which is equivqlent of the opponent recieving a Speed Buff

No it's not it's still status effect inducement

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

No it's not it's still status effect inducement

That plus Speed Reduction. It's literally also halves your speed

 

[Rez]

There is no rule against Speed reduction anyway and it technically still falls under status effect inducement

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I guarantee if Speed Reduction being treated as a Speed Amp was a thing, there would probably be an explicit mention of it by Staff Members or in the rules somewhere.