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Restoring The Creator to Tier 0 once again.

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Welcome everyone. Today, I want to clarify and correct some important points regarding Umineko, especially The Creator, because some people are unaware of the true nature and concept of the Creator in Umineko when discussing returning it to Tier 0 on the forum.

Please, this time I do not want off-topic comments. I will be busy, so I may be late in responding to comments, and I apologize in advance.

Note: Three staff approvals = acceptance.

Alright, I’ll begin:

The Creator in Umineko is one, indivisible, and immutable. However, many people here have fallen into an obvious trap, which is the use of the term “Creators”. This leads them to believe that it negates the existence of a single Creator, pushing them to claim that it is not Tier 0.

The term Creators is, in essence, equivalent to the term Creator within the context of Umineko. Follow me carefully to understand the reason, because this requires focus:

Beings that completely lost all restrictions, ... in exchange for obtaining everything, they lose even the restriction of their own 'meaning'... Even the concept of life and death disappears, even the meaning of their existence disappears, and they reach the Realm of Zero. Or fall. Crash. Crumble. Vanish like mist.
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The Creator is the supreme being that stands beyond all restrictions, including that of one's 'meaning' and 'will', as the endless sea of zero. It's the ultimate state of being a Witch reaches as it evolves through the infinite layers of the Witch and 3rd Domain, losing restrictions with every step, and gaining freedom as it ascends towards godhood.

The Creator is a sacred being who can create 1 out of the sea of nothingness. It can give birth to 1 from 0, give birth to the endless, and then return it to 0 again in a flash. Freed from all restrictions, the voyagers in particular even call him God.

In that sense, perhaps the Witch of Origins, Maria, is the "chosen one" promised to be The Creator...

Voyagers fear that the end of their own journey is to become a Creator. As to why they would be frightened of evolving into a higher-order being, none can understand except they themselves.
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In the context of Umineko, the terms “the Creator” and “the Creators” do not refer to multiple independent entities, but rather to a single, indivisible reality. Anyone who reaches the rank of the Creator loses their individual identity, meaning, existence, and even the concepts of life and death, becoming free from all restrictions to the point of nothingness.

At this stage, no distinction or multiplicity remains. All who reach this level merge into the one Creator, who is indivisible and unchanging. Therefore, the use of the plural term “Creators” does not imply true plurality, because those who attain this state lose everything that defines them as separate beings and become one with the Creator itself.

Accordingly, there is no contradiction between the use of the terms “Creator” and “Creators” in Umineko, as the plurality is merely nominal while the essence is singular. In the end, the Creator is one absolute entity, and the plural form carries no real ontological meaning within this context.

_ You can find more details here for those who are not familiar with the tier system regarding this ↓

A character cannot become Tier 0:

This logically follows from the first and fourth requirements. A Tier 0 cannot change, and neither does its power have any "degrees." Therefore it is not possible to "rise up to that level" (i.e. It is possible to increase the degree of your power until it reaches something with no degree at all)

However, this is worth to note separately, because there is indeed a sense in which a character can "become" Tier 0, even if not in the conventional manner. More specifically, if a verse functions on a nondualist cosmology, where all distinctions are illusory and the innermost core of everything is some undifferentiated ultimate reality, then a character may in a sense "become" Tier 0 by shedding all their individual traits and dissolving back into the nondual ground.

So only in that sense can a character "become Tier 0." Though this is, of course, not at all a conventional ascension to godhood or anything of the like, so much as a "return" to the source of your being, or realizing what you have always been all along. Otherwise, it is impossible to become Tier 0 in the sense of filling a spot that wasn't there before.
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That is everything. The essence is one and undifferentiated; when anyone reaches this level, they become one with the Creator and lose their identity, meaning, and existence, which makes them a single, immutable, and unchanging entity.

Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:
 
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I see that the members here are attacking me one after another, even though I said I don’t want off-topic comments. If anyone has any objections to the topic, I am ready to hear them and respond. Otherwise, please, I don’t want any off-topic comments, as I haven’t posted anything funny or wrong in this discussion.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I see that the members here are attacking me one after another, even though I said I don’t want off-topic comments. If anyone has any objections to the topic, I am ready to hear them and respond. Otherwise, please, I don’t want any off-topic comments, as I haven’t posted anything funny or wrong in this discussion.
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My guy, it is obvious that no one is going to take you seriously because this thread is basically scanless. You have limited yourself to copying part of the justifications for why Umineko is Tier 0 on PSW without actually understanding what is being argued, and you have only made the actual argument worse.

Do you realize that we have not even started working on the lowest layers of the cosmology yet? What is the point of a thread like this beyond being a nuisance?

I told you in the other thread not to do this, but you did it anyway.
 
Yeah no I agree with Bern here

Not to mention your argument doesn't provide how it is Logical Omnipotence proving indivisiblity, immutablity you just pulled out from omnipotence page about how to become "Boundless" without actually providing how they are Boundless

It is obvious that argument seems like not to be yours, I agree with Creator being Tier 0(Not with this like reasoning)

It is better to leave this CRT now my friend or else you will make serious damage for upcoming Umineko CRTs because we would have to wait another 3 months
 
Notlaziz said:
Yeah no I agree with Bern here

Not to mention your argument doesn't provide how it is Logical Omnipotence proving indivisiblity, immutablity you just pulled out from omnipotence page about how to become "Boundless" without actually providing how they are Boundless

It is obvious that argument seems like not to be yours, I agree with Creator being Tier 0(Not with this like reasoning)

It is better to leave this CRT now my friend or else you will make serious damage for upcoming Umineko CRTs because we would have to wait another 3 months
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Yes, The Creator is Tier 0. I just clarified an important point here: witches who reach the Creator level, that is, the rank of the Creators, become one with the Creator itself, losing their identity, existence, meaning, and even the concept of life and death—to the point of nothingness. They become one with the Creator, which is why the term “Creators” has no separate significance here, as they ultimately become one with the Creator: a singular, undifferentiated, indivisible, and immutable essence. That’s all; I didn’t say anything else.
 
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Yes, The Creator is Tier 0. I just clarified an important point here: witches who reach the Creator level, that is, the rank of the Creators, become one with the Creator itself, losing their identity, existence, meaning, and even the concept of life and death—to the point of nothingness. They become one with the Creator, which is why the term “Creators” has no separate significance here, as they ultimately become one with the Creator: a singular, undifferentiated, indivisible, and immutable essence. That’s all; I didn’t say anything else.
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🥀🥀🥀😭😭My fav verse is cooked
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
My guy, it is obvious that no one is going to take you seriously because this thread is basically scanless. You have limited yourself to copying part of the justifications for why Umineko is Tier 0 on PSW without actually understanding what is being argued, and you have only made the actual argument worse.

Do you realize that we have not even started working on the lowest layers of the cosmology yet? What is the point of a thread like this beyond being a nuisance?

I told you in the other thread not to do this, but you did it anyway.
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I didn’t do that. Last time, I said I would raise Fadhrin to +High 1-A, and you asked me not to do it, which I respected and did not do as you requested.

I opened this topic and it has nothing to do with PSW, and I didn’t quote anything from it—unless I accidentally took something without knowing, because this is my own explanation and this is the first time I’ve heard of the site you mentioned.

I only stated that the term “Creators” does not negate that the Creator is Tier 0, because they are one, sharing the same essence. This does not change the truth about the Creator, since those who reach this level lose their identity, existence, and even meaning, to the point of nothingness, becoming one with the Creator. That’s all.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I didn’t do that. Last time, I said I would raise Fadhrin to +High 1-A, and you asked me not to do it, which I respected and did not do as you requested.

I opened this topic and it has nothing to do with PSW, and I didn’t quote anything from it—unless I accidentally took something without knowing, because this is my own explanation and this is the first time I’ve heard of the site you mentioned.

I only stated that the term “Creators” does not negate that the Creator is Tier 0, because they are one, sharing the same essence. This does not change the truth about the Creator, since those who reach this level lose their identity, existence, and even meaning, to the point of nothingness, becoming one with the Creator. That’s all.
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Do whatever you want to Fadhrin but don't touch Featherine
 
we reporting this one (jk)

no but fr, dude half of the profiles for umineko are not even finished getting reworked, they only got FAA done. you are doing more harm than good with this upgrade.

Also iirc the creator isnt even a character, its a just a higher state than anyone else

edit: also senidng this to be closed, as umineko has very big revision coming up, I saw you want to do yogiri too, which is going to end the same way
 
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