Rimuru Tempest (LN) Vs Ji Ning - Battle For The Fifth Strongest High 6A Non-Smurf

[CodeCCLL]

Rimuru Tempest (LN)
(Demon Slime)

Vs

Ji Ning
(Void Fiendgod)


SBA
Speed Equalized

 

[deonment]

What answers does rimuru have to ning's concept manip + space lock or layered soul manip, which he leads with, + his primaltwin that he keeps within the starseizer manor who is stronger than him both hax and stats wise

 

[CodeCCLL]

What answers does rimuru have to ning's concept manip + space lock and layered soul manip, which he leads with, + his primaltwin that he keeps within the starseizer manor who is stronger than him both hax and stats wise

Rimuru's Soul is İnformation Type 2 so it is difficult to interact with.

How do work Concept Manip and Space Lock ?

 

[Robo432343]

Rimuru's Soul is İnformation Type 2 so it is difficult to interact with.

How do work Concept Manip and Space Lock ?

bruh if ji ning can interact with concept manip type 2 its easier to interact with info type 2
coz concept>info

 

[CodeCCLL]

Rimuru starts with layered information analysis (information type 2 level), thought acceleration (millions of times) and analytical prediction (that can mathematically calculate the future.)

 

[CodeCCLL]

bruh if ji ning can interact with concept manip type 2 its easier to interact with info type 2
coz concept>info

There isn't specific wiki standard for this. It all depends on how it is shown in the verse.

Also, Ji Ning seems to have Concept Type 2 based Law Manipulation. I'm not sure how Ji Ning would use this offensively.

 

[deonment]

Rimuru's Soul is İnformation Type 2 so it is difficult to interact with.

How do work Concept Manip and Space Lock ?

I forgor i know its a thing but pls put it on the profile eventually

Ning can manipulate the daos which are the concepts and laws that govern reality, in particular, he has mastered to the point of creating a dao domain with it, which entirely locks the area around him, to the point even the space is frozen, this also stops people from thinking or using their thought based powers all together. He can use this with a thought and is normally what he leads with.

Rimuru starts with layered information analysis (information type 2 level), thought acceleration (millions of times) and analytical prediction (that can mathematically calculate the future.)

Can that information analysis read minds or memories and can the analytical prediction account for variables that rimuru has no idea about?

 

[Georredannea15]

There isn't specific wiki standard for this. It all depends on how it is shown in the verse.

In fact, the highest level that Type 2 information can reach is the conceptual level. (i.e. actually being able to manipulate information in the reality at the conceptual level or something like that).

In short, a character with conceptual interaction can usually interact with Type 2 information.

 

[deonment]

In fact, the highest level that Type 2 information can reach is the conceptual level. (i.e. actually being able to manipulate information in the reality at the conceptual level or something like that).

In short, a character with conceptual interaction can usually interact with Type 2 information.

No, and we don't treat it like that, they are two separate things, and we don't presume they interact without a verse clarifying that.

 

[CodeCCLL]

In short, a character with conceptual interaction can usually interact with Type 2 information.

Verses often put concepts above basic information. But isn't always. So there isn't standard for this on wiki.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Can that information analysis read minds or memories and can the analytical prediction account for variables that rimuru has no idea about?

Yes, even in the basic level, it can read minds and memories. ( Just like did to Shizu )

Also... Information particle is the Fundamental aspect of Tensura and All the things such as Mind, Soul and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it.

Spoiler: To help you understand what level Rimuru is at.

Rimuru/Great Sage can analyze all non-concealed phenomenon, estimate the chances of him succeeding at any task, and record and accurately copy the contents of entire books to his mind within seconds. These books would have taken even experts of magic lifetimes to learn. Hence, his knowledge in the field of magic and magic science surpasses the expert and Rimuru is one of the smartest characters in his world. He understood the concept of how Magic Researcher, a complicated Golem built with spirit magic, works physically which is something that the best of mind of the Dwarfs and the elves couldn't do and had to give up on. The project was solved by the fairies and Ramiris, and Rimuru was able to make a much better improvement to Golem's concept with his creation that served as a basis for Beretta's body, with his methodology far outclassing what was made by the fairies. Under extreme pressure Rimuru with the help of Great Sage, calculated all the light position requirements for Megiddo's attack that required processing several hundred thousand floating water droplets as one of the main variables that he uses for it. From the creation of Megiddo, Rimuru created a new field of magic called physic magic. Great Sage can also predict the future from calculations alone.

Rimuru/Raphael's intelligence is beyond the realm of mortal intelligence and has the processing power to out-compute a quantum computer easily, and is more economic and precise than a supercomputer. Raphael is far more cunning and always gives Rimuru the best outcome in a given scenario. It’s capable of planning ahead of time and will warn Rimuru to the events that are taking place even if they're from unknown places. Successfully resurrected seven hundred thousand soldiers, which required a tremendous amount of computation, checking the genetic information on the bodies against his soul records to instantly identify people)

 

[Robo432343]

Also... Information particle is the Fundamental aspect of Tensura and All the things such as Mind, Soul and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it.

ok so Ji Ning's concept interaction and rimuru's info stuff cancel each other out
that makes it so that ning can interact with rimurus info

 

[deonment]

Yes, even in the basic level, it can read minds and memories. ( Just like did to Shizu )

Also... Information particle is the Fundamental aspect of Tensura and All the things such as Mind, Soul and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it.

Spoiler: To help you understand what level Rimuru is at.

Rimuru/Great Sage can analyze all non-concealed phenomenon, estimate the chances of him succeeding at any task, and record and accurately copy the contents of entire books to his mind within seconds. These books would have taken even experts of magic lifetimes to learn. Hence, his knowledge in the field of magic and magic science surpasses the expert and Rimuru is one of the smartest characters in his world. He understood the concept of how Magic Researcher, a complicated Golem built with spirit magic, works physically which is something that the best of mind of the Dwarfs and the elves couldn't do and had to give up on. The project was solved by the fairies and Ramiris, and Rimuru was able to make a much better improvement to Golem's concept with his creation that served as a basis for Beretta's body, with his methodology far outclassing what was made by the fairies. Under extreme pressure Rimuru with the help of Great Sage, calculated all the light position requirements for Megiddo's attack that required processing several hundred thousand floating water droplets as one of the main variables that he uses for it. From the creation of Megiddo, Rimuru created a new field of magic called physic magic. Great Sage can also predict the future from calculations alone.

Rimuru/Raphael's intelligence is beyond the realm of mortal intelligence and has the processing power to out-compute a quantum computer easily, and is more economic and precise than a supercomputer. Raphael is far more cunning and always gives Rimuru the best outcome in a given scenario. It’s capable of planning ahead of time and will warn Rimuru to the events that are taking place even if they're from unknown places. Successfully resurrected seven hundred thousand soldiers, which required a tremendous amount of computation, checking the genetic information on the bodies against his soul records to instantly identify people)

K, was just checking to see if rimuru would get knowledge of ning's primaltwin and other stuff

ok so Ji Ning's concept interaction and rimuru's info stuff cancel each other out
that makes it so that ning can interact with rimurus info

No it doesn't

 

[Robo432343]

No it doesn't

yeah because ji nings cm and rimurus info seem to be equal

 

[CodeCCLL]

ok so Ji Ning's concept interaction and rimuru's info stuff cancel each other out
that makes it so that ning can interact with rimurus info

According to Ji Ning's profile, never does anything like that. Please do not confuse this vs thread.

 

[Robo432343]

According to Ji Ning's profile, never does anything like that. Please do not confuse this vs thread.

bruh
Type 2. Daos exists in all things[46] and are the the governing principles of the world that existed since the creation of the universe.[

 

[Georredannea15]

No, and we don't treat it like that, they are two separate things, and we don't presume they interact without a verse clarifying that.

I suggest you read the page again. Type 2 information has many uses and is at best equated with concepts. In such a case you can interact with information type 2 via conceptual manipulation.

 

[deonment]

I suggest you read the page again. Type 2 information has many uses and is at best equated with concepts. In such a case you can interact with information type 2 via conceptual manipulation.

I would recommend you take read the pages again as neither of them refer to each other in their contents, we do not presume concepts and information interact without the verse giving evidence to the positive, just as how we assume that interacting with abstract existence does not let you interact with intangibility does not let you interact with nonexistent physiology, and saying otherwise is faulty.

 

[Georredannea15]

I would recommend you take read the pages again as neither of them refer to each other in their contents, we do not presume concepts and information interact without the verse giving evidence to the positive, just as how we assume that interacting with abstract existence does not let you interact with intangibility does not let you interact with nonexistent physiology, and saying otherwise is faulty.

This nonsense... The page says that information type 2 can sometimes only control information in reality, sometimes it can also control things like concepts and laws in reality. In such a scenario, CM and type 2 information may be equal.

For this would not be like an absurd difference between a spiritual abstraction and an abstraction that cannot exist. Information Type 2 would be controlling concepts through, which is almost same to CM.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Ning can manipulate the daos which are the concepts and laws that govern reality, in particular, he has mastered to the point of creating a dao domain with it, which entirely locks the area around him, to the point even the space is frozen, this also stops people from thinking or using their thought based powers all together. He can use this with a thought and is normally what he leads with.

Enhanced Law Manipulation (Ultimate Skills are devices to grant access to the ultimate principles of the world, being able to control the very laws of nature.)
+
Resistance for this.

Space-Time Manipulation (Can rip a hole in time and space)

Enhanced Space-Time Manipulation (Spirit Particle attacks can move through the barrier of space and time. It can penetrate Rimuru's Absolute Defense which severs space between both sides if the attack isn't decoded)
+
Resistance for this.

I think these will help Rimuru.

As for Rimuru's Attack :

After information analysis, power mimicry etc , Rimuru can use any useful ability against his opponent.

Dimensional BFR / Sealing (Thought-based activated) , Enhanced Sealing (Can trap his target in a complex number of spatial dimensions) (It cannot be escaped by interdimensional portals or teleportation.) (EE (Type 2 Information) (Light Speed Attack), Death Manipulation (Based on Subjective Reality) (Thought-Based), Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation and Reality Warping (Writes on Cause and Effects.) (For example: It can cut something that can never be cut.)

Rimuru also has a number of passives, can activate based on thought.

Passive : Aura, Radiation Manipulation , Corruption (Type 2), Sleep Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Confosion Inducement, Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Death Manipulation.

 

[Robo432343]

Passive : Aura, Radiation Manipulation , Corruption (Type 2), Sleep Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Confosion Inducement, Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Death Manipulation.

where does it say its passive

 

[CodeCCLL]

where does it say its passive

Check NA next time.

Spoiler

Magic Aura: An Extra Skill that combines Magic and Arts. Lets the user easily add magical effects to attacks with the user's own aura allowing the user to harm beings like spiritual life-forms that have no physical body.

Spoiler

Demon Lord's Haki: A Skill that enhances a magic-based creature's Monster Aura. Needs to be at least on the level of a Demon Lord Breed to acquire. This Skill is a composite of several other Skills like Coercion and Magic Aura, among others. Causes Fear and can even cause instant death to those who can't resist it.

 

[deonment]

Enhanced Law Manipulation (Ultimate Skills are devices to grant access to the ultimate principles of the world, being able to control the very laws of nature.)
+
Resistance for this.

Space-Time Manipulation (Can rip a hole in time and space)

Enhanced Space-Time Manipulation (Spirit Particle attacks can move through the barrier of space and time. It can penetrate Rimuru's Absolute Defense which severs space between both sides if the attack isn't decoded)
+
Resistance for this.

I think these will help Rimuru.

This won't exactly help as while a notable part of it is stopping the world down to the level of space, it isn't exactly manipulating space or time, it is simply just causing everything to halt under his domain, including space, meaning Rimuru would have to overcome his CM2 to get past this, not just space manip.

As for Rimuru's Attack :

After information analysis, power mimicry etc , Rimuru can use any useful ability against his opponent.

Dimensional BFR / Sealing (Thought-based activated) , Enhanced Sealing (Can trap his target in a complex number of spatial dimensions) (It cannot be escaped by interdimensional portals or teleportation.) (EE (Type 2 Information) (Light Speed Attack) , Death Manipulation (Based on Subjective Reality)(Thought-Based) , Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation and Reality Warping (Writes on Cause and Effects.) (For example: It can cut something that can never be cut.)

Rimuru also has a number of passives, can activate based on thought.

Passive : Aura, Radiation Manipulation , Corruption (Type 2), Sleep Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Confosion Inducement, Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Death Manipulation.

As I said above, the lock stops even thought-based abilities so this entire list prolly goes out the window

 

[CodeCCLL]

As I said above, the lock stops even thought-based abilities so this entire list prolly goes out the window

Since Rimuru has increased her thought speed a million times, He will first strike.

Also, how will this lock prevent abstract attacks ? As most of Rimuru's hax works at information type 2.

I think we should wait Planck or Zaratthustra. Because I really don't understand how this thing works. Conceptual Manipulation only seems to control the Dao?

 

[XDragnoir]

Ning's Law hax comes from his Concept hax, he manipulates the Daos (type 2 concepts) in an area so that the opponent can't move or use thought based abilities while also locking space (which blocks things like teleportation)

Said concept hax is layered to some extent, btw.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

um rimuru is upgraded already

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Bump?