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@Samlex1234 no more posts unless something new and substantial to add onto the case. Everyone has heard your case clear and loud and its just repetitive at this point. Anymore of repeated post will be deleted.
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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)
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The report has been evaluated. The amount of evaluation has been extremely high, in fact, for such a report. Every evaluation of the report has found it to be accurate but not reportable given that the evidence in question was just corrected in reaction. There is no ambiguity in that the translation was incorrect and that in the future these translations should be handled better- but none of the staff feel this is even a minor infraction, it could easily have occurred by mistake and seems to have been in this case.
Unless you are a staff member who has not yet spoken on this case who wants to share their thoughts, move along. I urge other staff members who have spoken to do the same and consider this report concluded. Thanks.
Unless you are a staff member who has not yet spoken on this case who wants to share their thoughts, move along. I urge other staff members who have spoken to do the same and consider this report concluded. Thanks.
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World of Darkness
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This random guy keeps adding some Imam onto the WoD page, this isn't a WoD character
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Left him a warning and reverted it.World of Darkness
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This random guy keeps adding some Imam onto the WoD page, this isn't a WoD character
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I think my previous message already answers this question... Since they've been moved to blog posts there's no need for them to remain as pages, and as pages they don't really follow our rules so... what else could be done besides deleting them?
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I would like to report @Jason_Voorhees1986 for what I consider clear vote manipulation.
Thread in Question: Why is this vote manipulation?
He also questioned @Qawsedf234 's ability to properly judge a sandbox because he disagreed with him.
To make things even better, when someone "agrees", he instantly adds them to the voting tally, but when they disagree with them, he tries to spin their agreement, or make up an excuse to not add them to the disagreement section.
To make things worse, he was already told to add him to the disagreement section at least 3 times, and with what I consider an informal warning.
Thread in Question: Why is this vote manipulation?
- He first disagreed here (First comment on the thread here)
- Made it clear here
- Asked to be put under disagreement tally here.
- He refused and claimed he "withdrew from the debate"
- Small summary by @VeryGoofyToddler2
- Was reminded again by @Apotheosis69
- Again fully ignored it and made up an excuse.
He also questioned @Qawsedf234 's ability to properly judge a sandbox because he disagreed with him.
To make things even better, when someone "agrees", he instantly adds them to the voting tally, but when they disagree with them, he tries to spin their agreement, or make up an excuse to not add them to the disagreement section.
To make things worse, he was already told to add him to the disagreement section at least 3 times, and with what I consider an informal warning.
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I don’t think this qualifies as vote manipulation, but rather as a deliberate disregard for a staff vote. While I’m unsure if this behavior warrants punishment, at the very least, a strict warning should be given to him.
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Ah... I forgot the two threads were different tbh xD
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They're back at it, they're clearly going to keep doing it over and over again until they're blocked.
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A warning should suffice, considering it's his first violation. He also just seemed clueless and also misinterpret Qawsedf's stance. I will tag him and hear out what he have to say first tho @Jason_Voorhees1986
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To be honest, I have to admit that I'm not entirely familiar with this wiki's rules. I just thought it would be a good idea to place Qawsedf in a special category called "somewhat agree" since he participated in a significant portion of the content revision, particularly regarding the High 1-A tier. Additionally, I wanted to clarify which tier scaling he found reasonable so that others seeing his approval would understand that he agreed with at least part of the content revision but wasn't convinced about the High 1-A+ aspect. However, after the tension that occurred yesterday, I completely removed it.
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Well then, if there wasn't any malicious intent, I don't think any action needs to be taken for mere cluelessness, considering it's your first violation too. So next time, just make sure to count an agreement or disagreement only if it is clearly stated, rather than basing it on an unclear interpretation.
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Of course.
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Please
Guys permit me to leave this on here,
I want it to be seen openly.
After having a long and much-needed conversation with @Arc7Kuroi , I’ve come to realize that I should have spoken to him first before making any report. Instead, I reported in anger and I didn’t give him the chance to share his side of the story, yet he still responded with maturity and kindness by reaching out to me.
Based on our discussion, it’s clear to me now that I was in the wrong. The mistranslation was indeed an honest error, and in reacting the way I did, I ended up slandering him. Had the moderators agreed with my initial report, an innocent person could’ve been wrongly judged.
I want to publicly apologize to @Arc7Kuroi for the false accusation and also to @KingTempest regarding the mistranslation. To everyone who saw the situation unfold, I apologize for how I handled it.
I fully accept any official punishment the wiki deems appropriate. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Guys permit me to leave this on here, I want it to be seen openly.
After having a long and much-needed conversation with @Arc7Kuroi , I’ve come to realize that I should have spoken to him first before making any report. Instead, I reported in anger and I didn’t give him the chance to share his side of the story, yet he still responded with maturity and kindness by reaching out to me.
Based on our discussion, it’s clear to me now that I was in the wrong. The mistranslation was indeed an honest error, and in reacting the way I did, I ended up slandering him. Had the moderators agreed with my initial report, an innocent person could’ve been wrongly judged.
I want to publicly apologize to @Arc7Kuroi for the false accusation and also to @KingTempest regarding the mistranslation. To everyone who saw the situation unfold, I apologize for how I handled it.
I fully accept any official punishment the wiki deems appropriate. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
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This report is regarding @Astral_Trinity439, who is already banned for violating a kind of translation ban due to being an unreliable translator and using MTL.
Considering the right place for following quote, I will post this message here:
Also the fact that he invalidated the reliable fan translation just so he could use his own MTL based translations for the upgrades:
Which seems to be supported by other actions of his that has been pointed out here by @CodeCCLL
Post in thread 'tensura translation issue' https://vsbattles.com/threads/tensura-translation-issue.178477/post-7044995
I view this situation not as a mere mistranslation issue that his translations had (for which he is banned), but rather as dishonest manipulation of the translations to fit a particular agenda. So I think we need to look at this situation seriously and further action needs to be taken.
Considering the right place for following quote, I will post this message here:
Also the fact that he invalidated the reliable fan translation just so he could use his own MTL based translations for the upgrades:
Which seems to be supported by other actions of his that has been pointed out here by @CodeCCLL
Post in thread 'tensura translation issue' https://vsbattles.com/threads/tensura-translation-issue.178477/post-7044995
I view this situation not as a mere mistranslation issue that his translations had (for which he is banned), but rather as dishonest manipulation of the translations to fit a particular agenda. So I think we need to look at this situation seriously and further action needs to be taken.
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Honestly many such cases, it's honestly why we should hold off on verses that need translating, because people are inherently biased (naturally, because we all want to see our favs succeed, including myself) and with only their word to go on what it says, it's ripe for manipulation and misinformation.
We saw it happen for a long time with Shinza Bansho until someone came in to set the record straight, and it seems that people keep trying to do it and can't set their feelings aside.
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I haven't gone through all the posts in that thread, so apologies in advance. However, I did see the thread in question, and @Lycoris4812 mentioned that the accepted CRTs with mtl was not applied. If that's the case, would this still fall under a rule violation?
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Yes and also that some were accepted and already applied.
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Two of them were applied and the reason the others were not applied was because not all the revisions were finished so no.
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Hmmm, ic.
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Reporting this user, for continuously committing argument of repetition in this thread (saying the other characters can't have immeasurable speed since they don't perform the same feats as well, and replying to every counter point with the former), and trying to justify it
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It's not really a rule violation. Just agree to disagree and move on rather than going back and forth.
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He doesn’t seem to be stonewalling, just responding to @Ednaxel2 counter-arguments, just as Ednaxel is replying to his, creating a back-and-forth situation. I’d suggest that both of them write a single post summarizing their arguments, agree to disagree, and let the staff decide.Well, excessive stonewalling is technically a rule-violation. Maybe an instruction warning message would be warranted?
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I would also like to add translation of a RAW scan by Astral that he did here in this thread, I scrolled through only qawsed final judgement randomly and first thing I got is misleading mistranslation by Astral.
RAW scan:
その時間軸で何が起きたのか、正確にはわかっていない。
シエルさんが跳ばされた時点で、全ての物事は終わっていたからだ。
シエルさんが跳ばされた時点で、全ての物事は終わっていたからだ。
Context is that Qawsedf asked for evidence that entire timeline was destroyed so he sent that scan which was "his edited MTL". His scan clearly implies that something had happened to the entire timelime as in his translation he translated "時間軸で" as "to the timeline" while any quick MTL translates it as "in the timeline" and also one of our consistent and reliable TL thread member had translated it as "in that timeline". That's makes it clear that his Mistranslations is derived from dishonesty and greed for his upgrades. You can't really add up "to" there as result of mistranslation when infact any random MTL just translates it to straight up "in that timeline". I even asked Chatgpt and even Chatgpt caught up this issue and explained it well.
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Your Chatgpt says "So unless the context is literally about the timeline being affected directly, "in that timeline" is the right way to phrase it." In this context, the universe has ended. I'm not a translator, but just saying.
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Just going to clarify that something did indeed happen to that timeline.as the universe itself was destroyed. What happened IN that timeline was just an attack powerful enough to destroy it.
Astral translation genuinely doesn’t help. As what happened TO the timeline is indeed known, it was destroyed. Ciel just doesn’t know HOW it was destroyed. Context of the feat did not change. I agree it was mistranslated tho
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That's exactly what Qawsed was asking, whether the timeline was actually destroyed or not, but what was sent to him is scan that itself was misleading by implying "the entire timeline was destroyed" due to the use of 'to'. If there were scans or context to imply that entire timeline was destroyed then he should have sent that, a misleading human edited translation isn't proper evidence or a valid scan to begin with. Whether or not there's actual evidence or a scan showing the timeline being destroyed is a separate matter and should have been presented in that thread. Presenting a scan about the timeline being destroyed with a dishonest mistranslation doesn’t prove anything.
Again. What Qawsedf asked for is the scan that "entire timeline was destroyed". He was served with misleading translation. Destroying Universe doesn't mean Timeline here but either way separate matter. The scan in demand should have been clear on its own rather than forced.
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Yes, but what I'm trying to say is that this is less of it being dishonest and more of it being a mistranslation.
