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I believe so as well. The only difference we know of for sure is that Jiraiya can't gather and maintain NE on his own, while Naruto can.I think they are the same Sage Mode. It is just that Jiraiya needs Pa and Ma to active it while Naruto doesn't.
I don't wanna bog down this thread with scaling discussions, but if you ask me, it's entirely possible that Naruto just became that much stronger than Jiraiya tbh.IIRC though. Sage Mode Jiraiya has an anti-feat right? Like his arm was ripped off by Asura Pain, the same Pain that was one-shot by Sage Mode Naruto. But it could be because he caught him off-guard.
He was caught off guard, but that shouldn't have any bearing on his durability because he was in Sage Mode which passively increases his durability (thanks to Pa and Ma). There's no reason to assume his durability dropped.IIRC SM Jiraiya was caught off guard and the Paths get stronger with fewer bodies active, and at that moment only three paths were active after Jiraiya killed the first three right?
I'm not saying his Durability dropped, I'm saying he wasn't actively defending himself and that at specific circumstances (Fewer bodies active) the Asura Path could have enough AP/SS to do what he did.He was caught off guard, but that shouldn't have any bearing on his durability because he was in Sage Mode which passively increases his durability (thanks to Pa and Ma). There's no reason to assume his durability dropped.
Thanks for your input.And here I was hoping Damage would sprinkle some spice in this thread so I could say something more than “I agree FRA”.
You’re points look sound and I can’t find fault with it. Only think I can say, which has already been said, is to watch inconsistencies later on by that has no bearing on the legitimacy of Sage mode scaling to or above CM2
In conclusion, I agree FRA
Well, the only thing he could've really done was dodge, but yes, you are correct about there being fewer bodies active at that point.I'm not saying his Durability dropped, I'm saying he wasn't actively defending himself and that at specific circumstances (Fewer bodies active) the Asura Path could have enough AP/SS to do what he did.
Even the Soul Suck Path was able to block/catch SM Jiraiya's punch when only three bodies were active.
Thanks for your input.
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In the case instead of pulling numbers out of thin air, then it's best to say they receive at least 10x amp, which is the lowest they could possibly getYes, they get a speed amp, but again it's not allowed for us to assume multipliers on the wiki.
For example, I pointed out in the OP that Juugo and Sasuke have a much more powerful and controlled version of the Curse Mark than Jirobo, and SM users are even stronger than that most likely, but we can't just slap a 20x multiplier on them arbitrarily, right? Even if it makes sense to an extent, we can't assume numbers that aren't stated verbatim.
We literally can't. The wiki doesn't accept multipliers for speed unless they're explicitly stated to affect speed as well, which isn't the case here unfortunately.In the case instead of pulling numbers out of thin air, then it's best to say they receive at least 10x amp, which is the lowest they could possibly get
It’d just be 10x his base form, seems pretty simple.Minato uses SM but we don’t really have any feats. Are we still gonna use that for him?
He got stomped by JJ Madara, but realistically he would've gotten stomped even if it were a 1000x multiplier lol, so nothing really invalidates it for him.Minato uses SM but we don’t really have any feats. Are we still gonna use that for him?