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Shalltear Bloodfallen vs Samus
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When voting for Ains vs Samus, I voted in favor of Ains as he had the means to get past the Chozo Battle Armor, potentially one shot Samus with Grasp Heart and has durability to endure some of her dumber abilities. Sadly for Shalltear, I feel she lacks the physical stats to fight someone like Samus even when 6-C version is used as she is more durable and has destructive power then the NPC can't hope to match. That said, she does have several things going in her favor.
Shalltear's Favor --------------------------
Einherjar, Summon Monster 10th & Summon Household - Gives Shalltear the numbers advantage, though that alone won't win her the fight. Samus may have to focus on the extra numbers, but she is use to dealing with foes with simular tactics though. Likewise nothing Shalltear can summon would be able to take Samus by themselves, only really being effective as a stall tactic. When summoning is coupled with the Spuit Lance though it gives her an additional and more versatile means of healing that works in conjunction to her negative energy spells.
Greater Lethal - Reliable self heal and less reliant on Regen than Samus.
Impure Shockwave Shield, Greater Teleportation, Time Reverse, Mist Form & Force Sanctuary - Gives Shalltear the ability to hold off Samus's attacks for a bit and reposition into a better position. Wouldn't give total immunity however and is limited in her ability to use these spells in rapid use.
Time Accelerator - Because Samus is using her 6-C version, she lacks a means to warp time to speed herself up (Phase Drift). Shalltear has the ability to still do so. Slight oversight on the matchup, not a deal breaker for Samus.
Samus's Favor --------------------------
Precognition & Information analysis- Samus has the means to track Shalltear even through invisibility. The information gathered via her Scan Visor would also help Samus deal with the vast majority of her trickier attacks. The later proved to be her downfall against Ains during their fight.
Greater Stamina and Durability - Shalltear is canonically a MMORPG character and has weaknesses attributed to that system. Mainly MP, as she has no effective means of regaining it when she runs out where as Samus has proven to be able to endure much longer conflicts and can even regain health and even ammo via concentration.
Immunity to Mental Attacks - Alot of Shalltears attacks are based on charms and unlike Ains lacks the ability to get around those immune to said attacks.
Wave Beam - A broken ability in a lot of match ups. The sole reason why Shalltear's defensive abilities aren't perfect against her as it ignores their defenses.
Bludgeoning Vulnerability V & Doubled Damage by Fire - In Overlord, Undead have a several universal weaknesses unless stated otherwise as seen here. Since she is a Vampire, she is weak to holy, fire and bludgeoning. Samus's Missles, Plasma Beam and melee strikes would tear through her defenses unless she wears equipment to counteract that, which she is never shown to do so.
My vote is for Samus Aran for the reasons stated above.
Shalltear's Favor --------------------------
Einherjar, Summon Monster 10th & Summon Household - Gives Shalltear the numbers advantage, though that alone won't win her the fight. Samus may have to focus on the extra numbers, but she is use to dealing with foes with simular tactics though. Likewise nothing Shalltear can summon would be able to take Samus by themselves, only really being effective as a stall tactic. When summoning is coupled with the Spuit Lance though it gives her an additional and more versatile means of healing that works in conjunction to her negative energy spells.
Greater Lethal - Reliable self heal and less reliant on Regen than Samus.
Impure Shockwave Shield, Greater Teleportation, Time Reverse, Mist Form & Force Sanctuary - Gives Shalltear the ability to hold off Samus's attacks for a bit and reposition into a better position. Wouldn't give total immunity however and is limited in her ability to use these spells in rapid use.
Time Accelerator - Because Samus is using her 6-C version, she lacks a means to warp time to speed herself up (Phase Drift). Shalltear has the ability to still do so. Slight oversight on the matchup, not a deal breaker for Samus.
Samus's Favor --------------------------
Precognition & Information analysis- Samus has the means to track Shalltear even through invisibility. The information gathered via her Scan Visor would also help Samus deal with the vast majority of her trickier attacks. The later proved to be her downfall against Ains during their fight.
Greater Stamina and Durability - Shalltear is canonically a MMORPG character and has weaknesses attributed to that system. Mainly MP, as she has no effective means of regaining it when she runs out where as Samus has proven to be able to endure much longer conflicts and can even regain health and even ammo via concentration.
Immunity to Mental Attacks - Alot of Shalltears attacks are based on charms and unlike Ains lacks the ability to get around those immune to said attacks.
Wave Beam - A broken ability in a lot of match ups. The sole reason why Shalltear's defensive abilities aren't perfect against her as it ignores their defenses.
Bludgeoning Vulnerability V & Doubled Damage by Fire - In Overlord, Undead have a several universal weaknesses unless stated otherwise as seen here. Since she is a Vampire, she is weak to holy, fire and bludgeoning. Samus's Missles, Plasma Beam and melee strikes would tear through her defenses unless she wears equipment to counteract that, which she is never shown to do so.
My vote is for Samus Aran for the reasons stated above.
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Samus for this lovely guys solid ass reasons.
Also the Ice Beam and Samus's range help a lot.
Also the Ice Beam and Samus's range help a lot.
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Samus for Otters reasons above
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Samus FRA, additionally, she's far more tactical, versatile and has far superior range.
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Samus for Ottermonk reasons.
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Samus for Otter reason's above,poor Shalltear,already lose to stranger who always give you a gift and now this.
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Samus should take this for the reason stated above.
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@Ottermonk
A little correction that didn't make any significant affect in this matchup:
Bludgeoning Vulnerability V - It's only for skeleton type undead. Vampire didn't have such thing.
Technically Shalltear can fight pretty damn long in melee, via Spuit Lance Regenerationn. How good Samus Regenerationn ability? And what about some ways to hinder Shalltear movement, can Samus prevent teleportation?
A little correction that didn't make any significant affect in this matchup:
Bludgeoning Vulnerability V - It's only for skeleton type undead. Vampire didn't have such thing.
Technically Shalltear can fight pretty damn long in melee, via Spuit Lance Regenerationn. How good Samus Regenerationn ability? And what about some ways to hinder Shalltear movement, can Samus prevent teleportation?
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Actually, Samus doesn't have Plasma Beam in her 6-C key. However, Samus is no stranger to teleporting foes, and she can spam attacks with infinite ammo. Also, her Ice Beam is like really close to Absolute Zero levels, which is far above Shalltear's Ice Resistance. Samus's regen is pretty much mediocre, it's High-Low which is the 3rd lowest of the 13 Regenerationn levels on site. But that's irrelevant because Samus typically dodges attacks Ultra Instinct style.
Samus can still combine her Wave Beam and her Ice Beam, which Wave Beam has a special ability to bypass all armors and forcefield barriers. So even if Shalltear has special equipment to resist/negate statuses, Wave Beam would make it all moot. She can't "negate teleportation" per say, but her precognition easily enables her to know exactly when and where Shalltear is going to teleport. Also, Samus could perhaps disarm her with her grapple Beam.
Samus can still combine her Wave Beam and her Ice Beam, which Wave Beam has a special ability to bypass all armors and forcefield barriers. So even if Shalltear has special equipment to resist/negate statuses, Wave Beam would make it all moot. She can't "negate teleportation" per say, but her precognition easily enables her to know exactly when and where Shalltear is going to teleport. Also, Samus could perhaps disarm her with her grapple Beam.
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Okay, then there no chance in melee, because Samus can dodge all of her attack. How about Samus magic resistance?
Purifying Javelin and Implosion still a thing.(Honestly i'm not sure she can spam enough of them before getting hit by all those Beams.)
Purifying Javelin and Implosion still a thing.(Honestly i'm not sure she can spam enough of them before getting hit by all those Beams.)
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Samus fight against The Repticulcus a race that practiced The Primal Traditions, which consists of magic and curses and all that. Which may be far more potent than people realize, especially when the Repticulcus were greatly enhanced by Phazon.
Also, Samus's Ice Beam can freeze enemy projectiles turning them into floating, stationary, platforms. And again, when combined with Wave Beam, it can basically freeze entire lines of enemy fire.
Also, Samus's Ice Beam can freeze enemy projectiles turning them into floating, stationary, platforms. And again, when combined with Wave Beam, it can basically freeze entire lines of enemy fire.
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Their magic and curses weren't that op, at least not to warrant any effective "experience against magic".
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I mean, they aren't Doctor Doom's level per say, but it's still moderately powerful magic at least. But then again, it was in her PED Suit. Still, she still versatile and tactical enough to have the advantage in this fight.
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Not really actually. Its borderline energy projection at some points.
True, she would be tatical enough to have the advantage.
True, she would be tatical enough to have the advantage.
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>Also, Samus's Ice Beam can freeze enemy projectiles turning them into floating, stationary, platforms. And again, when combined with Wave Beam, it can basically freeze entire lines of enemy fire.
She can freezing spells?
Edit: And i can't say Reptilicus have some strong attack magic besides Glowing sphere(?), Whip\Chakram imbued by magic(?)and teleportation
She can freezing spells?
Edit: And i can't say Reptilicus have some strong attack magic besides Glowing sphere(?), Whip\Chakram imbued by magic(?)and teleportation
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@SD That could just be limitations due to game mechanics, the in depth lore seems to suggest otherwise. This page, which is full of direct quotes, mentions them becoming creative with their magic according to backstories; albeit to unknown extent. Even mentions transforming intelligent lifeforms into mindless beasts with their magic. Still, even the in game showings make it look at least on par with Shalltear's magic.
And if it's simply a magic projectile, then most likely.
And if it's simply a magic projectile, then most likely.
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> Still, even the in game showings make it look at least on par with Shalltear's magic.
Ok, then i didn't really see how Shalltear can win this or even fight back, she can't go in her mist form because Samus have means to harm her with Forcefield Bypassing with the Wave Beam, can affect the intangible (Spatial, Immaterial, and Elemental).
Shalltear can't kill Samus before getting frozen, she can't attack her in melee because precog and Samus typically dodges attacks Ultra Instinct style.┬®DarkDragonMedeus
Vote for Samus.
Ok, then i didn't really see how Shalltear can win this or even fight back, she can't go in her mist form because Samus have means to harm her with Forcefield Bypassing with the Wave Beam, can affect the intangible (Spatial, Immaterial, and Elemental).
Shalltear can't kill Samus before getting frozen, she can't attack her in melee because precog and Samus typically dodges attacks Ultra Instinct style.┬®DarkDragonMedeus
Vote for Samus.
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"Magic was lost to them, and they became as savage as the predator beasts of the wild."
You do know that the Reptilicus Samus fought had lost most of their magic right?
If Shalltear's magic is pretty baseline, go ahead, its a valid comparsion, but if its not...
You do know that the Reptilicus Samus fought had lost most of their magic right?
If Shalltear's magic is pretty baseline, go ahead, its a valid comparsion, but if its not...
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It doesn't affect my vote but, if i'm understand you correctly Samus fight against not one of these guys but many at once? Now i don't think Reptilicus magic would be on par with Shalltear.
It doesn't affect my vote but, if i'm understand you correctly Samus fight against not one of these guys but many at once? Now i don't think Reptilicus magic would be on par with Shalltear.
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Probably depends on the area, but typically 2 or 3 at once usually.
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Samus still has far superior range, she could deep freeze her before she uses that. Otherwise, Samus has resistance to atomic destruction and attacks that attack her from the inside.
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You can't resist attacks that target your insides, you can only tank them with regen.
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She has resistance SA-X's Wave Beam, Ice Beam, Plasma Beam combination; Plasma Beam is internal organ damaging and Wave Beam phasers through all armor and shields. And she endured having her inside atoms torn apart and destroyed in Samus & Joey; it's on her profile.
Anyway, this match is concluded with a decisive win, and has been for more than 24 hours. So I might as well close this, and match can be added.
Anyway, this match is concluded with a decisive win, and has been for more than 24 hours. So I might as well close this, and match can be added.
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