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Alright, I've been working on this profile on and off for months now and finally it's ready to be posted. This is Hornet's existing stinky profile for reference, and here's what I've made in the wake of Silksong. I think it came up pretty okay, it's a big profile so I'm sure there's some fuckups but I dunno I hope it's alright. There's a... well there's 57k bytes' worth of new stuff which by John VS Battles' holy decree I have to break down here but most of it should be fairly uncontroversial, outside of maybe the tiering but we'll get to that. Before that...
Scaling-wise Hornet is at her strongest in Silksong compared to HK1, she's 9-A at her absolute weakest and if her own assumption is to be trusted she's back at her full strength by the time she enters the Citadel (AKA the beginning of Act 2), and only gets more powerful from there. Of course there's a few things that I'm not addressing...
I'm really unhappy about the rating being so uncertain but on the other hand I can't really convince myself that anything higher than mag 3 is fine to assume, we only see the Citadel get affected and that's what, maybe one/two hundred meters wide? That's not much, meanwhile even a mag <2 earthquake can be felt, if very lightly, 8 km away from the epicenter. If anyone has a better method for determining the power I am all ears, but this being underground and so close to the source of the shaking really distances the feat from any IRL studies on earthquakes. Sure it looks more intense than irl Mag 3 quakes but those happen underground whereas this one is right in front of us, affecting a fairly small environment that is completely different in how it would be affected compared to human cities. It's... hard to estimate.
As for who this scales to, almost nobody? It's done by GMS' full power being bound to Hornet's and its showings are miles beyond either (just look at how wimpy Silk's Haunting is in comparison to Hornet's... granted she was having her power sealed but that's a whole can of worms of its own) so it shouldn't scale to either, especially not Hornet who by her own admission is weaker than Silk, I don't think it ought to scale back to the Radiance... it does scale to the Lord of Shades since the Void is so much beyond anything else in the setting, but to be honest that one's likely well above 8-C already, it's just that nobody's gone and quantified its feats.
And yeah there's another earthquake feat in Silksong, which is to say Grand Mother Silk causing all of Pharloom to shake and eventually threatening to cause its collapse were the quakes to repeat often enough. If my troubles with WQ's quake didn't clue you in I have not a single clue what that should be tiered. They're wider in scale and more destructive so at least it ought to be mag 4... maybe 5? I don't know. The relatively small size of Pharloom screws over the feat a bit because higher magnitude damage reported in that study was registered at 5-10 kilometers of distance, whereas this is all much closer to the source. Then there's the question of whether it even counts as a real earthquake rather than Silk just tugging on the strings she's laid all over the kingdom, because if it doesn't count as one then I really have no clue how to quantify it... This is all without getting into potential scaling issues, because at this point I'm not sure that's the greater concern. Oh, speaking of which...
What's New
Massively revamped everything, including intelligence, skill, equipment etc both to represent Silksong's many additions to the character and also just to be thorough and explain stuff well. There's a whole lot of new powers that are all very straightforward maybe with the exception of Crest stuff which still essentially boils down to soul-based power absorption. A bunch of resistances borne of her physiology, tons of new equipment stuff, etc etc etc.Scaling-wise Hornet is at her strongest in Silksong compared to HK1, she's 9-A at her absolute weakest and if her own assumption is to be trusted she's back at her full strength by the time she enters the Citadel (AKA the beginning of Act 2), and only gets more powerful from there. Of course there's a few things that I'm not addressing...
Weaver Queen AP
Hornet's got an 8-C rating as the "Weaver Queen", which is her end state in the non-canon "bad ending" (watch Team Cherry try to spin the "all endings canon" thing again lol) where she sucks up the main villain's full power and then starts Silking her Song all over. This causes a non-insignificant amount of tremors and we see parts of Pharloom's rock ceiling collapsing. Most people, myself included, might think this'd get way higher than 8-C but truthfully there aren't many studies on the topic of earthquake damage done to caverns. I found one non-paywalled study that was helpful but it's from 1978 and kind of inconsistent in the data that it presents (not that it's badly made it's just not something we have much information on). But basically what it says is significant rock collapses happen with earthquakes as low as mag. 3 and up although wider spread damage is done by... well, higher power earthquakes.I'm really unhappy about the rating being so uncertain but on the other hand I can't really convince myself that anything higher than mag 3 is fine to assume, we only see the Citadel get affected and that's what, maybe one/two hundred meters wide? That's not much, meanwhile even a mag <2 earthquake can be felt, if very lightly, 8 km away from the epicenter. If anyone has a better method for determining the power I am all ears, but this being underground and so close to the source of the shaking really distances the feat from any IRL studies on earthquakes. Sure it looks more intense than irl Mag 3 quakes but those happen underground whereas this one is right in front of us, affecting a fairly small environment that is completely different in how it would be affected compared to human cities. It's... hard to estimate.
As for who this scales to, almost nobody? It's done by GMS' full power being bound to Hornet's and its showings are miles beyond either (just look at how wimpy Silk's Haunting is in comparison to Hornet's... granted she was having her power sealed but that's a whole can of worms of its own) so it shouldn't scale to either, especially not Hornet who by her own admission is weaker than Silk, I don't think it ought to scale back to the Radiance... it does scale to the Lord of Shades since the Void is so much beyond anything else in the setting, but to be honest that one's likely well above 8-C already, it's just that nobody's gone and quantified its feats.
And yeah there's another earthquake feat in Silksong, which is to say Grand Mother Silk causing all of Pharloom to shake and eventually threatening to cause its collapse were the quakes to repeat often enough. If my troubles with WQ's quake didn't clue you in I have not a single clue what that should be tiered. They're wider in scale and more destructive so at least it ought to be mag 4... maybe 5? I don't know. The relatively small size of Pharloom screws over the feat a bit because higher magnitude damage reported in that study was registered at 5-10 kilometers of distance, whereas this is all much closer to the source. Then there's the question of whether it even counts as a real earthquake rather than Silk just tugging on the strings she's laid all over the kingdom, because if it doesn't count as one then I really have no clue how to quantify it... This is all without getting into potential scaling issues, because at this point I'm not sure that's the greater concern. Oh, speaking of which...
Grand Mother Silk's profile
Yeah this was made. It's barebones, not super wrong mostly but it's severely lacking in scans, some of which I may add over time. Right now my main concern is addressing the things wrong in it, and the inconsistencies with Hornet's profile. Let's go down the list.- Inorganic Physiology (Type 1; Her body is shown to be completely made of silk) - As far as I know, no it isn't, she creates silk but I don't think we're ever told she's made of it. ... Also silk is organic.
- Extrasensory Perception (She was able to sense Hornet's presence upon her entering Pharloom) - No clue where this is coming from. It might be true but... I just don't know.
- Forcefield Creation (She was able to weave a cocoon of silk to protect her and Lace from the Void) - That's not a forcefield that's just silk. Forcefields are non-physical.
- Haunting stuff - Replaced by what I wrote up for Hornet. The Hive Mind bit is true but I need a scan to keep it on the profile and I don't remember where it's from so if anyone reading knows what it is it I'd appreciate it. It'd also go on Weaver Queen Hornet presumably.
- Silk stuff - Again replaced though this is mostly just adding scans and improving the wording.
- Resistance to Electricity (This is because she can tank Hornet's electric attacks but that's not indicative of a resistance necessarily, might just be the electricity isn't that powerful, we don't really have a metric of reference. Fire resistance is fine cause the Flintslate has a pretty decent above baseline feat)
- Resistance to Sound Manipulation (The Needolin isn't sound manip - it works via sound but the hax is functionally unrelated, it's like saying that resisting verbal mindhax gives you a resistance to sound manip)
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