Silver Saint Speed Downgrades

[AlexZiggy]

Alright I'm making this thread after browsing the Classic Silver Saint profiles on the wiki. One of the main issues I came across was a distinct lack of scans justifying their speed ratings, as well as circular scaling between profiles.
For example, Hound Asterion is Supersonic to High Hypersonic with absolutely no scans to back that up. His baseless speed is then used to scale other characters, such as Lizard Misty and Eagle Marin. Needless to say, this is a major problem not only in terms of the overall quality of the profiles but also a barrier to any potential matches involving these characters. So in this thread I'll be adding a couple scans to back up the speed ratings of the following characters:

• Eagle Marin;
• Ophiuchus Shaina;
• Lizard Misty;
• Hound Asterion;
• Perseus Algol.

Unfortunately, the scan I'll be using to justify their ratings will downgrade their speed, as Aiolia puts the average Silver Saint speed between Mach 2 and Mach 5, which according to our Speed page is only Supersonic to Hypersonic. Scan below:



As for Eagle Marin specifically, I believe an "at least" modifier can be added to her profile for blitzing Hound Asterion:



Agree: @TheUnshakableOne, @Hasty12345, @Kaiou1991, @Cindrallig7, @Nierre, @KoolRay, @Dalesean027, @Elizhaa
Disagree: @StekFence
Neutral:

 

[StekFence]

Doesn’t seiya currently scale to a Mach 18 feat? Silvers upscale from that. Sorry it’s actually Mach 25. Which would be high hypersonic I believe.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Doesn’t seiya currently scale to a Mach 18 feat? Silvers upscale from that. Sorry it’s actually Mach 25. Which would be high hypersonic I believe.

Hades arc Seiya does but I don't think you can scale any pre Sanctuary arc Silver Saint to it

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I'm down with this. I agree

 

[StekFence]

Hades arc Seiya does but I don't think you can scale any pre Sanctuary arc Silver Saint to it

No, it’s a feat from the galaxian wars, I’d say basically all of the 1st arc main bronzes and up would scale

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

No, it’s a feat from the galaxian wars, I’d say basically all of the 1st arc main bronzes and up would scale

Oh are you referencing that millisecond punch calc thingy? I forgot about that

 

[AlexZiggy]

No, it’s a feat from the galaxian wars, I’d say basically all of the 1st arc main bronzes and up would scale

Sorry which feat are you talking about?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Sorry which feat are you talking about?

Saint Seiya's Mastered Pegasus Meteor Fist Speed

vsbattles.fandom.com

No idea if it's accepted and never checked the math

Edit: I don't see any calc member comment but tgis calculation is super old and standards do change

 

[StekFence]

When he punches shiryu a bunch in a millisecond. Now, I’m not going to bother checking the calc is correct, since it’s on the profiles and I’m very hungry so I’ll be leaving to make food, so for those reasons I disagree

 

[AlexZiggy]

Saint Seiya's Mastered Pegasus Meteor Fist Speed

vsbattles.fandom.com

No idea if it's accepted and never checked the math

Edit: I don't see any calc member comment but tgis calculation is super old and standards do change

Was there a CRT made for it? If not, I don't know if we can actually use it. In addition, there's also the matter of consistency. It could just be an outlier

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Was there a CRT made for it? If not, I don't know if we can actually use it. In addition, there's also the matter of consistency. It could just be an outlier

Consistentency is a whole other matter and this calc is so old that I genuinely have no idea if it had a crt and so old that I don't want to look at the 1000+ Saint seiya threads to find it lol

 

[Hasty12345]

Any calculation that gives a 2400% increase over stated values, consistently stated values well into ND as well, is immediately invalid.

I agree with the downgrade.

 

[Kaiou1991]

I think we can downgrade their base speeds to mach 2-5 and then for the bronzes we say "higher via cosmo", as they consistently exceed the bronze and silver saint speed brackets.

 

[Cindrallig7]

Agree with the downgrade

 

[Reiner04]

I will read it up later since busy atm. I will tag some staffs to look into it as was requested though;

@Elizhaa @Dereck03 @Dalesean027 @Nierre @ActuallySpaceMan42 your opinion will be appreciated.

 

[StekFence]

I think we can downgrade their base speeds to mach 2-5 and then for the bronzes we say "higher via cosmo", as they consistently exceed the bronze and silver saint speed brackets.

I don’t feel that’s a good argument at this point in the story. They are still at the point where a black saint can tag them, and silver saints completely stomp them with a finger and both eyes closed. If this speed value is at all accepted, all high end normal bronzes would likely scale

 

[Nierre]

I also agree with the downgrade, though I'm not very knowledgeable with the verse itself

 

[KoolRay]

For basic silver saints this is fine.

 

[Dalesean027]

sure this is fine

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Wasn't there also a calc for how fast Hyoga would have had to travel to reach Japan from the Siberian tundra back in the day?

Edit: NVM, it was a Reddit RT.

 

[Elizhaa]

The downgrade proposal looks fine.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Kinda forgot about this thread for a bit. I think this can be applied?

 

[Reiner04]

Kinda forgot about this thread for a bit. I think this can be applied?

Yeah. Go on.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Alright, the changes have been applied. This can be closed now.

 

[Reiner04]

Closing.