Some Mori Nirvana Addition

[Megaraptor149]

Maybe this is the third time Nonduality has been pushed to be added to Mori's profile, but this time, more proof and scans were included to clarify it.

All of it has already been explained in the sandbox, plus the Question and Answer section.

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Agree: Johner2133451 (Type 2), DavidTPPM, Zaratthustra (Type 2), Oblivion_Of_The_Endless (Type 2), Reiner04 (Type 2), TWILIGHT-OP (Type 2), CodeCCLL (Type 2), M2u12 (Type 2), ActuallySpaceMan42 (Type 2)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Johner2133451]

Type 2 seems possible here

 

[DavidTPPM]

Looks good, only 1 issue.
You used the wrong GoH tag

 

[CodeCCLL]

On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them.

This could just be Nonduality, not Transduality.

 

[DavidTPPM]

This could just be Nonduality, not Transduality.

I was thinking that might be the case as well

 

[M2u12]

Based on my current understanding of this ability, this should be enough for ND1.

for now I'm neutral but leaning towards agree, I'd want to hear the counterarguments first.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Type 2 seems to work better as its backed by transcending and existing beyond creation that has a dual framework (light and dark, taichi and wuchi, day and night, alpha and omega, beginning and ending, etc).

 

[Megaraptor149]

Type 2 seems to work better as its backed by transcending and existing beyond creation that has a dual framework (light and dark, taichi and wuchi, day and night, alpha and omega, beginning and ending, etc).

Thank for your input. I was thinking about Type 2, but I chose Type 1 for safety. However, I will wait for input from other staff.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Type 2 seems to work better as its backed by transcending and existing beyond creation that has a dual framework (light and dark, taichi and wuchi, day and night, alpha and omega, beginning and ending, etc).

Could you elaborate further? Because the verse only seems to mention some dualities instead of dualities in general.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Could you elaborate further? Because the verse only seems to mention some dualities instead of dualities in general.

In one scan, it explicitly states: "As I mentioned earlier, this place is so-called heaven. It is the place where those who have reached Nirvana arrive, and from here they can govern all universes and all things in existence." Additionally, several other scans explicitly mention dualities such as "death and birth, extinction and creation, yin and yang, taichi (taiji - that would translate as 'supreme ultimate') and wuchi (wuji - that would translate as infinite, limitless), darkness and light, emptiness and annihilation, day and night, alpha and omega, beginning and end, heaven and earth," clearly demonstrating the presence of a dualistic framework within the verse.

Using again the first quote, the phrase "all things in existence" suggests that it encompasses more than just these explicitly stated dualities - it inherently implies the entirety of reality that covers more than just these.

By reaching Nirvana, Mori had all his mortal ties severed, ascending to the state of an all-powerful god. Although the scans, aside from two specific scans, don't explicitly name every possible duality, the statement "govern all things in existence" is comprehensive enough to imply governance over all universal concepts, including dualities themselves. This one includes fundamental forces such as physics (four fundamental forces), karma, and all previously mentioned dualities, which collectively represent the foundational structure of reality.

Now, of course this does have some basis on assumption but it does have a solid backing with the named dualities presented in the scans. Well that's my take. If its not good enough, Mori's Nonduality still covers a pretty big framework with the mentioned things.

Note: Seems several scans from the Heaven linked blog in the sandbox don't work anymore on Imgur (likely the one who uploaded them didn't have an account at the time of posting).

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I see. Type 2 seems ok then.

 

[Reiner04]

Type 2 looks fine.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Okey since 3 staff leaning towards Type 2, i will input later now in profil.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Op seems fine to me.

Okey since 3 staff leaning towards Type 2, i will input later now in profil.

Only 2, cm don't have evaluation rights. So I suggest wait for 1 more tm or admin as it's very controversial ability.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Op seems fine to me.

Only 2, cm don't have evaluation rights. So I suggest wait for 1 more tm or admin as it's very controversial ability.

Okey thanks

 

[Megaraptor149]

Op seems fine to me.

So you leaning towards Type 2?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Now, of course this does have some basis on assumption but it does have a solid backing with the named dualities presented in the scans. Well that's my take. If its not good enough, Mori's Nonduality still covers a pretty big framework with the mentioned things.

For this exact reason, I would agree with possible type 2 at best.

 

[M2u12]

Since 4 staff seem to Agree with nd 2, change me from Neutral to Agree with nd 2 as will.

 

[Johner2133451]

Op seems fine to me.

Only 2, cm don't have evaluation rights. So I suggest wait for 1 more tm or admin as it's very controversial ability.

I thought only 3 staffs are needed if it's related to tier 1 stuff

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Since 4 staff seem to Agree with nd 2, change me from Neutral to Agree with nd 2 as will.

I thought only 3 staffs are needed if it's related to tier 1 stuff

Since Non-Duality Type 2 is a highly controversial ability, I believe it would be best to get the opinions of at least three Evaluation staff members. Content moderators votes doesn't count.

 

[Megaraptor149]

It should be applied to her profile too, since she reached Nirvana just like Mori.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

My thoughts align with Zaratthustra.

 

[DavidTPPM]

My thoughts align with Zaratthustra.

Is this enough to apply the thread or do we need an admin vote as well?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Should be fine to apply.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Since 3 TM and 2 CM have already given input and agreed on Type 2 Nonduality, it has been applied to the profile. Therefore, this CRT can be closed.

Thanks for all your input

 

[Reiner04]

Since 3 TM and 2 CM have already given input and agreed on Type 2 Nonduality, it has been applied to the profile. Therefore, this CRT can be closed.

Thanks for all your input

Closing