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As of this thread, Maginaryworld is accepted as baseline 5-D for the game continuity. Since most of the scaling is already obvious, the only notable addition is Metal Overlord, who I believe should get god tier scaling for similar reasons as Light Man Eggman. Maybe Metal’s other super forms too? They have anti-feats that make me unsure, unlike Overlord, but they also are directly powered by the Master Emerald, so they should be stronger than Overlord, who just has the data of Chaos and a bunch of base forms.
That was pretty short, so the rest of this will be dedicated to cosmology concepts that were either brought up in the old thread and not resolved, or new stuff.
Here’s the cosmology blog for reference
1. Light Man Eggman’s dimensions should be 5-D, as Eggman has already showcased the ability to make four-dimensional spaces without relying on a temporal component, so the combination of fourth-dimensional space (as the above is described as an “infinite super other-dimensional space”)+time makes 5-D. Light Man probably has a more solid basis because of the infinite statement though. This gives Light Man his own 5-D feat with no scaling.
2. The super dimensions are either implicitly or explicitly referred to as Eggman’s “dreams”. This is important, as Eggman has personally gone inside of Cyberspace, which takes the memories and dreams of those who enter, and manifests them as tangible parts of the world. Since Cyberspace was created with the Chaos Emeralds and powered by them, with the Chaos Emeralds being on par with both the Sol Emeralds (which would have been used to create Rush Eggmanland), and the Phantom Ruby (which created Light Man Eggman’s spaces), and since Frontiers came out after Test Run (where Eggman did not fulfill his wish of creating a fourth dimensional space to trap Sonic, thus making it still a dream by the time of Frontiers via being a wish that hadn’t come true), Cyberspace should be able to contain dream spaces of this caliber. As such, Cyberspace would also be upgraded to a 5-D cosmology, via being fourth dimensional space of a universal size and time component.
For another reason, Cyberspace is powered by the Chaos Emeralds, and in this case the Chaos Emeralds were working at their maximum capacity, as around the same timeframe the Emeralds were used to construct the Titans, which are already accepted as scaling to full power Super Sonic.
Moreover, as we have a verbatim statement that Cyberspace was above any digital construct Eggman has ever created at the time (which includes the aforementioned Test Run maze), combined with the Ancients’ intellect to create a construct of this caliber (which would potentially allow the Ancients’ to have a similar dream scope as Eggman’s dreams of creating a permanent 4-D space), it would make sense that either the Ancients’ dreams or the entirety of Cyberspace could match the 4-D scope of Eggman’s constructs spatially. And when combined with the temporal component of Cyberspace and the statements of infinite data leading to at least universal scope, 5-D Cyberspace is consistent.
Alternatively, since all dreams of individuals are treated as the same size, Maginaryworld can also be considered as containing countless amounts of 5-D spaces, and Cyberspace as thousands of 5-D spaces (as there are at minimum 2386 Ancients’ dreams within Cyberspace based on the minimum Koco count Sonic could collect, and countless dreams across the Sonic multiverse). However, since Eggman used extremely powerful artifacts to bring his dreams into fruition, I’m fine with calling them outliers among dreams.
3. White Space being outside the rest of the cosmology due to starting and ending (post-Time Eater death) it’s on-screen existence as a realm that lacks any concept of time and exists even beyond the end of time as a whole.
4. Because Solaris is on a higher dimensional level than the rest of space-time in his unanchored state (as he could already destroy all of space-time while anchored in “this dimension”, likely referring to hierarchy and not parallelism), Solaris should have a higher dimensional existence, with his body being at least 5-D, possibly 6-D (not AP). The super forms ability potency would also get an upgrade to possibly 6-D if 6-D goes through (possibly only because they can only damage unanchored Solaris by hitting his consciousness, which should be part of his body. But the fact Eggman singled out his consciousness as different from his form could imply the consciousness is not on the same dimensional level as the rest, hence possibly.)
EDIT: Japanese translation from my understanding makes zero references to Solaris being anchored by his light shells. Unless something new comes up, consider ignoring point 5 (unless you believe that Eggman calling Solaris super-dimensional and not Illumina means he considers Solaris transcendent of the latter). However, Solaris was absorbing all dimensions into his body. (Credit to Eseseo)
I believe that’s all. I had some comments on how the Arabian Nights as a whole is far larger than a Low 2-C space, but I don’t know if that would do much in the way of upgrades.
Letsa go.
Agree: Maverick_Zero_X (with everything), Qawsedf234 (with White Space being beyond the rest of the cosmology, Overlord scaling to 5-D, and MW being 5-D (and Solaris having possibly 6-D physiology)), LordGriffin1000 (with the scaling, neutral-fine regarding Cyberspace/dreams being 5-D and Solaris having 6-D physiology)
Disagree:
Neutral:
That was pretty short, so the rest of this will be dedicated to cosmology concepts that were either brought up in the old thread and not resolved, or new stuff.
Here’s the cosmology blog for reference
1. Light Man Eggman’s dimensions should be 5-D, as Eggman has already showcased the ability to make four-dimensional spaces without relying on a temporal component, so the combination of fourth-dimensional space (as the above is described as an “infinite super other-dimensional space”)+time makes 5-D. Light Man probably has a more solid basis because of the infinite statement though. This gives Light Man his own 5-D feat with no scaling.
2. The super dimensions are either implicitly or explicitly referred to as Eggman’s “dreams”. This is important, as Eggman has personally gone inside of Cyberspace, which takes the memories and dreams of those who enter, and manifests them as tangible parts of the world. Since Cyberspace was created with the Chaos Emeralds and powered by them, with the Chaos Emeralds being on par with both the Sol Emeralds (which would have been used to create Rush Eggmanland), and the Phantom Ruby (which created Light Man Eggman’s spaces), and since Frontiers came out after Test Run (where Eggman did not fulfill his wish of creating a fourth dimensional space to trap Sonic, thus making it still a dream by the time of Frontiers via being a wish that hadn’t come true), Cyberspace should be able to contain dream spaces of this caliber. As such, Cyberspace would also be upgraded to a 5-D cosmology, via being fourth dimensional space of a universal size and time component.
For another reason, Cyberspace is powered by the Chaos Emeralds, and in this case the Chaos Emeralds were working at their maximum capacity, as around the same timeframe the Emeralds were used to construct the Titans, which are already accepted as scaling to full power Super Sonic.
Moreover, as we have a verbatim statement that Cyberspace was above any digital construct Eggman has ever created at the time (which includes the aforementioned Test Run maze), combined with the Ancients’ intellect to create a construct of this caliber (which would potentially allow the Ancients’ to have a similar dream scope as Eggman’s dreams of creating a permanent 4-D space), it would make sense that either the Ancients’ dreams or the entirety of Cyberspace could match the 4-D scope of Eggman’s constructs spatially. And when combined with the temporal component of Cyberspace and the statements of infinite data leading to at least universal scope, 5-D Cyberspace is consistent.
Alternatively, since all dreams of individuals are treated as the same size, Maginaryworld can also be considered as containing countless amounts of 5-D spaces, and Cyberspace as thousands of 5-D spaces (as there are at minimum 2386 Ancients’ dreams within Cyberspace based on the minimum Koco count Sonic could collect, and countless dreams across the Sonic multiverse). However, since Eggman used extremely powerful artifacts to bring his dreams into fruition, I’m fine with calling them outliers among dreams.
3. White Space being outside the rest of the cosmology due to starting and ending (post-Time Eater death) it’s on-screen existence as a realm that lacks any concept of time and exists even beyond the end of time as a whole.
4. Because Solaris is on a higher dimensional level than the rest of space-time in his unanchored state (as he could already destroy all of space-time while anchored in “this dimension”, likely referring to hierarchy and not parallelism), Solaris should have a higher dimensional existence, with his body being at least 5-D, possibly 6-D (not AP). The super forms ability potency would also get an upgrade to possibly 6-D if 6-D goes through (possibly only because they can only damage unanchored Solaris by hitting his consciousness, which should be part of his body. But the fact Eggman singled out his consciousness as different from his form could imply the consciousness is not on the same dimensional level as the rest, hence possibly.)
EDIT: Japanese translation from my understanding makes zero references to Solaris being anchored by his light shells. Unless something new comes up, consider ignoring point 5 (unless you believe that Eggman calling Solaris super-dimensional and not Illumina means he considers Solaris transcendent of the latter). However, Solaris was absorbing all dimensions into his body. (Credit to Eseseo)
I believe that’s all. I had some comments on how the Arabian Nights as a whole is far larger than a Low 2-C space, but I don’t know if that would do much in the way of upgrades.
Letsa go.
Agree: Maverick_Zero_X (with everything), Qawsedf234 (with White Space being beyond the rest of the cosmology, Overlord scaling to 5-D, and MW being 5-D (and Solaris having possibly 6-D physiology)), LordGriffin1000 (with the scaling, neutral-fine regarding Cyberspace/dreams being 5-D and Solaris having 6-D physiology)
Disagree:
Neutral:
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