Soul Manipulation for all Naruto Characters:

[JohnCenaNation]

Chakra is created through a combination of two different types of energies where you combined both spiritual and physical energy. This was not only brought up once, but many times throughout the entire course of Naruto manga.
So why doesn't all Naruto characters who can use chakra have soul manipulation listed in their profiles since that is essentially half of what chakra is?

 

[Damage3245]

Manipulating energy isn't necessarily the same thing as manipulating the soul itself.

We have specific examples of characters who can manipulate souls in Naruto; it's a stretch to say everyone can do it.

 

[YungManzi]

I will say though everyone in Naruto who's strong enough/comparable to an enemy should be able to connect with others spiritually.

Don't know if we would call that soul manipulation though.

 

[AstralKing7]

Idk about this. Even then I don't think any verse on this site gives soul manipulation for getting energy from your spirit anyway

 

[Kidkinsey]

getting energy from your spirit seems like enough to grant it to them imo

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Wouldn't this just be a possible resistance to soul manipulation???? Maybe a type of limited self energy manipulation?????

 

[Kidkinsey]

i was thinking the verse should get resistance to SM since naruto and orochimaru resisted RPS amd i doubt they are the only charatcers capable of doing so

 

[Ryuga21]

Spiritual energy is not necessarily soul manipulation

 

[Kidkinsey]

yeah thats the trickey thing because i think nen and ki have someting to do with mental energy yet they dont have mind manip

 

[Naeblis495]

nope , beside some very specifics jutsus , no evidence of soul manipulation was ever showcased.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

This seems very clear here, we can't base soul manip off the naming/description of a power source. They haven't shown the ability to manipulate souls outside some very specific abilities (iirc) a power simply drawing power from ones own soul isn't enough to grant soul manip nor resistance...

 

[YungManzi]

I will say though everyone in Naruto who's strong enough/comparable to an enemy should be able to connect with others spiritually.
Don't know if we would call that soul manipulation though.

What do people think about this?^

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Maybe? Do we really have examples of that though? Statements or feats of people interacting with one another spiritually when they are strong enough? It makes sense but I think we'd need feats of them actually doing it. Im also pretty sure it would fall outside combat applicability unless they've used it in a fight.

Heck Im not entirely sure connecting with another person spiritually would fall under soul manip...

 

[Naeblis495]

was this ever showcased in the manga ?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Shouldnt this be more of a resistance to soul manipulation rather than having the ability? Im pretty sure being attacked with spiritual energy and no-selling it would mean some kind of resistance.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Unless it damages the soul then no.

 

[HST_Master]

Shouldnt this be more of a resistance to soul manipulation rather than having the ability? Im pretty sure being attacked with spiritual energy and no-selling it would mean some kind of resistance.

Where did you get this from?

Also it's specifically Seishin Energy(Which translates to dealing with the Mind etc.) And the connecting with others is what Sasuke was talking about when he told Naruto what happens when two ninjas of equal strength clash, they can read each others hearts, which is what they do almost every time they clashed their Chidori and Rasengan respectively.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

As the OP showed, jutsu's are made of combining physical and spiritual energy. So when a jutsu hits an opponent, you'd be hitting them with spiritual energy.

 

[HST_Master]

As the OP showed, jutsu's are made of combining physical and spiritual energy. So when a jutsu hits an opponent, you'd be hitting them with spiritual energy.

And again It's not Spiritual like your soul. It's spiritual like your mind. And that's not how SM works. We don't give a verse resistance to Mind Manip soley because they're energy source is Mental Energy.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Unless it damages the soul then no.

There is soul manip that isn't combat applicable you know.

As for this, I don't care.

 

[HST_Master]

Like someone said above it'd be like giving all DB characters resistance to Mind Manip because Shoki is a component of Ki.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Or like saying mages from FT get soul manipulation or that OP characters get soul manipulation.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I just want to point out that in eastern media Mind, Soul, Heart, etc are all just different ways to refer to the same thing

 

[Ulquiorra_Uchiwa]

OP characters and FT characters have not no spiritual energy but they have natural energy

 

[HST_Master]

I just want to point out that in eastern media Mind, Soul, Heart, etc are all just different ways to refer to the same thing

Actually that's not true. They all translate to the same meaning roughly in English. They're actually different terms for different meanings in Japanese. It's all about context.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Pretty much what HST said, it's literally called mental energy here.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Or like saying mages from FT get soul manipulation or that OP characters get soul manipulation.

if they draw their power from the soul or some type of spiritual energy i dont see why not

 

[Omimi]

spiritual energy & mental energy came from their spirit/soul


viz translation

 

[HST_Master]

Omimi, that's even more damning because

A. It's an earlier translation and going by Sigurds scans they went solidly went with Mental later on. (And there's zero mention of "Spiritual Energy" unless a fan translation is pulled up)

B. The word for it Seishin means both Mind and Spirit in a different context from Spirits like Ghosts.

It's the Kage Summit Sasuke is = CMS2 Sasuke because Karin said his Chakra felt "denser" all over again, ignoring context.

 

[Naeblis495]

the viz translation is kinda garbage , especially early on .

 

[AstralKing7]

Omimi, that's even more damning because

A. It's an earlier translation and going by Sigurds scans they went solidly went with Mental later on. (And there's zero mention of "Spiritual Energy" unless a fan translation is pulled up)

B. The word for it Seishin means both Mind and Spirit in a different context from Spirits like Ghosts.

It's the Kage Summit Sasuke is = CMS2 Sasuke because Karin said his Chakra felt "denser" all over again, ignoring context.

It obviously should be case by case

 

[Omimi]

Omimi, that's even more damning because

A. It's an earlier translation and going by Sigurds scans they went solidly went with Mental later on. (And there's zero mention of "Spiritual Energy" unless a fan translation is pulled up)


B. The word for it Seishin means both Mind and Spirit in a different context from Spirits like Ghosts.

It's the Kage Summit Sasuke is = CMS2 Sasuke because Karin said his Chakra felt "denser" all over again, ignoring context.

u do understand that Mental & Spiritual Energy= one energy

as i said it dose not matter what u want to call it cuz it still came from sprite/soul

the viz translation is kinda garbage , especially early on .

k if it goes by your word then viz translation wrong

but u forgot that sometime fan translation also call it Spiritual Energy so are u going to say they are also wrong ? and how do u know this part are wrong ?


u know how to read japaness ?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

If they manipulated their soul in anyway to achieve this, yeah... but that isn't the case at all.

And forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't Sakura at some point give some sort of exposition about strenghtening the body for more physical energy and meditating or studying for more mental energy, the basic stuff everyone does to augment their chakra?

But they aren't manipulating their souls, they aren't attacking the opponent's soul, quite literally norhing. This is worth nothing.

 

[HST_Master]

u do understand that Mental & Spiritual Energy= one energy

as i said it dose not matter what u want to call it cuz it still came from sprite/soul

No, it doesn't you're trying to force one meaning on a word with an entirely different one.

k if it goes by your word then viz translation wrong

but u forgot that sometime fan translation also call it Spiritual Energy so are u going to say they are also wrong ? and how do u know this part are wrong ?


u know how to read japaness ?

>Sometimes fans call it spiritual energy

So? Seishin means both Spirit and Mind, but neither in the sense of the soul.

Cool, that's what raws are for.

And no, I simply looked up the context of the Words Seishin and Rei. They have 2 completey different meanings in their context.

https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...70ea6ee22925c97c9ca3f72a0391e632867b721a.html

It's even in words regarding Mental States and Dissorders. But jack about spiritual entities and the like.

Mind even translates back into Seishin

https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...d42c0112962be8a77d278ebe747514e509c4a5fa.html

 

[Omimi]

No, it doesn't you're trying to force one meaning on a word with an entirely different one.

nope i am not forcing anything u are just denying mangafact so not my problem and your the one who forcing your opinion over manga evidence

or we could someone to verify viz translation to see if it was wrong or right



So? Seishin means both Spirit and Mind, but neither in the sense of the soul.

what is sense of the soul ?

are trying to say that it did not came from soul ? if so than u are wrong

if Seishin means both Spirit and Mind then why are u fixated at mind energy

and saying mind energy is correct translation and Spirit energy is wrong translation

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Even if it came from the soul/spirit/whatever, it still isn't Soul Manip due to it not directly attacking the Opponent's soul. Neither are they manipulating their own souls as LSirLancelot said.

 

[Damage3245]

^ This is correct.

 

[HST_Master]

nope i am not forcing anything u are just denying mangafact so not my problem and your the one who forcing your opinion over manga evidence

or we could someone to verify viz translation to see if it was wrong or right

Dude you're soley arguing cuz your see the word spirit, regardless of context.

what is sense of the soul ?

are trying to say that it did not came from soul ? if so than u are wrong

if Seishin means both Spirit and Mind then why are u fixated at mind energy

and saying mind energy is correct translation and Spirit energy is wrong Translation

As in it's not talking about literal human soul in the least. It's talking about people's minds.

It didn't you have zero proof other than seeing the word spirit and running with it.

Because of context.

And like several had pointed out this isn't even anything.

 

[MostPowerfull]

I'm pretty sure we see beings that act almost identical to a spirit/soul and it's made entirely of spiritual/mental energy, I think it was the case with Dan Kato and those Tayuya invocations.
Also, we have the souls of the Kages and Obito, which manifested as pure chakra.

I think being mental or spiritual energy makes no difference.

Anyway. I don't think this is Soul Manip or something derived from it, it's just control of your internal energy.

Disagree.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

^this right here, controling and using internal energy whether it be from soul or mind isn't grounds for soul manip