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Steven vs Red (GRACE)
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Kk. Can someone close this then?
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How durable is the shield and bubble out of curiosity? I doubt Steve can block all of the attacks especially if it has limitations as well.
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Island level.
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@Stalker I don't think so as I like to see the reason on why Steve can take down Red especially since he isn't the guy who does kill his opponents anyway isn't he?
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The Shield has island level durability
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Hmm I see, but the shield doesn't cover Steve's entire body IIRC.
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Yes it does. Or at least, it's bubble variant does.HammerStrikes219 said:
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I mean, if Steven uses his Bubble, he most likely can't beat any of Red's pokemon like that
And if his uses his shield, he can get attacked by more than one mon (I mean, Red can fight in triple battles So...)
And if his uses his shield, he can get attacked by more than one mon (I mean, Red can fight in triple battles So...)
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That is true. The question will be how does Steve kill Red as I don't recall any instances of Steve being a cold hearted killer.
That is true. The question will be how does Steve kill Red as I don't recall any instances of Steve being a cold hearted killer.
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SBA says willing to kill.
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He doesn't, but Red doesn't Kill in character either so...
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Anyway, shouldn't this be closed, or do people want to argue Red winning?
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"In-character, but Willing to kill" is in Standard Battle Assumptions, Way.
Doesn't mean Steve is gonna ruthlessly kill his opponent like that.
Doesn't mean Steve is gonna ruthlessly kill his opponent like that.
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@Stalker It shouldn't be closed as I still has yet to see the reasoning behind Steve's win con(s) tbh here. Not to mention Red can switch out his Pokemon too.
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The argument is Red can't break the shield and how Moves like Protect (which people are saying is similar to Steven's shield?) can avoid most of Red's pokemons moves
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@Stalker What? Moves like Protects are from Pokemon so that is a rather odd reasoning if I say so myself.
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Someone said
WeeklyBattles said:
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Keep in mind that Red's like, smart. Over half of his Pokémon have Class 100 lifting strength and Charizard especially can just yeet the bubble away.
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@Cal Except they cant, as Steven can just stop himself from being flung
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Steven hasn't shown to be able to cancel energy put on him like that. Steven would have to have the feats of cancelling momentum, which he very well might have and I just forgot.
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Stalker Maggot said:
Yeah... I find that reasoning to be odd as Protect is a Pokemon move.
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Yes he has, he stopped himself from being yeeted by AmethystThe real cal howard said:
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Is that a durability feat though? I also not aware of the AP gap between the two anyway
Is that a durability feat though? I also not aware of the AP gap between the two anyway
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@Weekly. Is the bubble still multi continental in durability?
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Look at Steve's durability stats, it is only in his later keys apparently:
"At least Small Town level (Survived the explosion of the Pyramid Temple), At least Island level, possibly higher with Shield and Bubble (One of his bubbles protected him from Lapis Lazuli's tower collapsing on him and his friends, His shield blocked a point-blank shot from Peridot's Gem Warship, Used a bubble to protect himself and the Crystal Gems when Peridot's ship reentered the atmosphere, crash landed and exploded) | Mountain level, At least Island level, possibly higher with Shield and Bubble | At least Mountain level, Multi-Continent level with Shield and Bubble (His shield blocked hits from an enraged Blue Diamond and Yellow Diamond) | At least Multi-Continent level, likely higher (Blocked White Diamond's mind-controlling beams)"
Not sure if it is helpful anyway.
Look at Steve's durability stats, it is only in his later keys apparently:
"At least Small Town level (Survived the explosion of the Pyramid Temple), At least Island level, possibly higher with Shield and Bubble (One of his bubbles protected him from Lapis Lazuli's tower collapsing on him and his friends, His shield blocked a point-blank shot from Peridot's Gem Warship, Used a bubble to protect himself and the Crystal Gems when Peridot's ship reentered the atmosphere, crash landed and exploded) | Mountain level, At least Island level, possibly higher with Shield and Bubble | At least Mountain level, Multi-Continent level with Shield and Bubble (His shield blocked hits from an enraged Blue Diamond and Yellow Diamond) | At least Multi-Continent level, likely higher (Blocked White Diamond's mind-controlling beams)"
Not sure if it is helpful anyway.
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@Cal Its either Island level or Multi Continent level epending on what key we're using here
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I guess I'll use Season 2-3 key for Steven? I'm pretty sure that's the island one?
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Doesn't Lapras have TK?
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What's TK?
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"Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Mind Reading, Ice Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Absolute Zero, Water Absorption, Weather Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation and Resistance to it, Enhanced Senses, Aura, Statistics Amplification, Earth Manipulation, Underground BFR, Damage Boost, Precognition, Status Effect Inducement, Healing, Resistance Negation, Resistance to Water and Ice Manipulation"
From Lapras's page
From Lapras's page
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Telekinesis I thinkStalker Maggot said:
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Okay. So, what are votes so far?
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Steven shield blocks sound? Because if that not the case; Lapras can use sing to put him to sleep leaving him wide open for attacks
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Yes, it also reflects it
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1 for Steven
? for Red?
? for Red?
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Huh I don't recall Steven reflecting any sound based attacks or the like for some reason.
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The sound waver he projected off of his shield in his fight with one of Lapis' water clones
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So, how many votes are for Steven right now?
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@Weekly
Was it a sound wave? I like to see a video to determine how this works for Steve and his shield.
Was it a sound wave? I like to see a video to determine how this works for Steve and his shield.
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