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Tatsumkai (Tornado of Terror) Upgrade & Kuroi Sēshi (Golden _____) Upgrade

Nibbler3100

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Hey guys I don't understand why Tatsumaki & Golden Sperm is so low (well not really low) but I believe they should be stronger since Tornado herself is a Rank 2 afterall and Golden Sperm

Let us Begin:

TORNADO OF TERROR

Tier: at least 6-A to High 6-A

Attack Potency: at least Continent Level likely Multi-Continent, why are we gauging her strength off of a feat she did so simply? Something she actually struggled with was the feat of her being able to hold Monster Garou back (not final form of course) before his reactive evolution and the strength of his will grew. To further this Argument the author states she would have been able to defeat Golden Sperm, yep the same Golden Sperm that exchanged fisticuffs with early-staged Monster Garou.

Speed: Sub-Relativistic, as stated before, she can defeat Golden Sperm and he's also sub-rel due to keeping up/exchanging blows with Monster Garou.

Lifting Strength: Same

Striking Strength: Class YJ+ via Telekinesis

Durability: at least Continent Level likely Multi-Continent due to surviving a ton of strikes from Golden Sperm in a weakened state

KUROI SESHI

Note: These stats are only for Golden Sperm

Tier: 6-A

Attack Potency: Continent Level, he was able to violently exchange strikes with Monster Garou for a brief period of time

Speed: Sub-Relativistic, able to briefly keep pace with Monster Garou as well

Lifting Strength: possibly Class G

Striking Strength: Class YJ

Durability: Continent Level, survives severalstrikes from Monster Garou before being killed
 
she also needs a range upgrade, she carried a meteor hundered thousand miles + or atleast a few thousand miles at minimum
 
Why does everyone always forget the feats where she lifted the entire MA headquarters comparable in size to a small city from underground as well as casually lifting Fubuki's entire school off the ground when she was a teenager?
 
You should probably ask Azathoth for input about this.
 
This seems legit. Golden Sperm didn't last very long against Garou, but he still exchanged a few blows and had an actual fight, albeit one nobody else could follow. That would be near impossible for him to do if he was truly that much weaker than Garou. Even if we assumed Garou was the minimum of continent level and Golden Sperm was the maximum of Large Island level, the difference would be too big for Golden Sperm to not get one-shot, let alone even survive the initial punch if Garou was truly serious, which all dialogue implied he was.
 
That does confuse on this. Like how is it that Kuroi Seshi is High 6-C yet he clearly shown as capable of at least giving a few attacks to Garou, like i don't get it?

Basically, i agree to what Azathoth has given here...
 
i have re-read the entire MA infiltration arc just now, looking for contradictions between story and statements

could not find any

upgrade is go for me
 
Nope, nope, nope.

Garou was said to be able to go toe-to-toe with Boros....after he reached his peak when he was fighting Saitama.

He evolved several times during the fight against Saitama so him dealing with Golden Sperm was way before he reached continent level.

Also, Golden Sperm didn't really contend with him. He survived a flurry of blows and then got off-paneled immediately afterwards. Also, there's no indication he kept up with those blows either.

Furthermore, the Garou who Golden Sperm fought was fresh out of his fight with Superalloy Darkshine, who is city level...if Garou was that strong, why isn't Superalloy Darkshine dead? He got beaten up, sure, but he isn't a stain on the ground.
 
WatchHogMan said:
Why does everyone always forget the feats where she lifted the entire MA headquarters comparable in size to a small city from underground as well as casually lifting Fubuki's entire school off the ground when she was a teenager?
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I actually have been planning on calc'ing that one for a while, it's just that ONE's art is so god awful that I can't even scale anything to it.
 
These feats that you described may not boost Tatsumaki's tiers any higher. She is at least large island level after all.
 
The monster association one is something I expect to be very impressive in the manga and it is casual too. She may even get country level from it.

That sort of lines up with Golden Sperm's power, who is 1 trillion Black Sperms.
 
I think that Alakabamm seems to make sense.
 
Antvasima said:
I think that Alakabamm seems to make sense.
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does she also need a range upgrade with her telekinesis? Tornado did manage to reach an astroid from space which is WAY MORE than "At least City diameter" the problem with that is we would need to know how far it is. (It's obviously a few hundered kilometers away at minimum)
 
garou already was at his peak when he fought saitama. he transformed while fighting golden sperm

appearance and initial attack -> human form

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fight end -> monster form

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the heroes even comment on his evolution and complete change

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also: this version of garou was the ONLY one which actually put up a fight with saitama

(just re-read the fight, not gonna post dozens of scans)

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the last transformation on the other hand got taken out without saitama even moving

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and saitama even comments on him having become weaker

http://b.*************/store/manga/13095/092.0/compressed/iimg016.jpg?v=1377570782

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"monster garou" is the multi continental version of garou

the other transformation made him significantly weaker
 
Garou went through multiple lines of evolution during the fight and the last one was the only one Saitama commented on. Furthermore, it is now known if the form itself was the direction of his comment; as he said immediately afterwards "you're running on fumes," which suggests that Garou was exhausted anyways. Since Garou survives this fight it is possible that ONE's comments are directed at the Garou that survived.

Additionally, as you yourself point out, Garou transforms during his fight with Golden Sperm and immediately curbstomps him. This transformation into a full monster means it is doubtful we can scale in any way.

Furthemore, my point still stands about Superallow Darkshine surviving Garou immediately before this fight occurred. Are you telling me SD has continental level durability? I don't believe that.

Also, another thing, Golden Sperm blitzed weakened Tatsumaki and Golden Sperm was blitzed by Garou. Scaling speed at the very least doesn't make sense.
 
human garou / monster garou / absolute evil garou

monster garou put up a fight vs saitama. absolute evil garou got said to be "weaker than before"

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the thing is we do not see garou curbstomping him - we just see a quick trade of blows and then garou appears in monster form with GS on the ground - how it happened was unclear.

superallow darkshine got no-diffed. the fact he survived does not translate to his durability. all the heroes survived. ofc. no one gets continental level. in fact it is even a plot point, that garou does not actually intends to kill, as pointed out by saitama

tatsumaki get her scaling from ones statement
 
Yes, it was unclear because it was a chapter skip. He fought him, powered up to monster form (because his appearance is radically different) and curbstomped him. It's crazy to scale Golden Sperm to someone that curbstomped him following a transformation.

Superalloy was fighting on par with that Garou for a long time.

I'm aware about what ONE said about Tatsumaki/Golden Sperm, but Golden Sperm was blitzed by Garou before he took on his true monster form. He's not scaleable in speed.
 
can you link me to where SD fought against monster garou?

because i only see him fighting human garou, and getting 1/2 shot by monster garou
 
Well, I don't know if I would call him "monster garou," but it is the Garou that blitzed Golden Sperm initially.

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Oh and he didn't get 1/2-shot, he started losing near the end but he was off-paneled as well.
 
i dont get the connection with superalloy darkshine. he never fought monster garou aside from getting slapped aside. monster garou is multi continental level.

golden sperm had a questionable brawl with monster garou.

the initial attack in human form doesnt disqualify GS at all
 
Yes it does. He was already on par with if not outright stronger than GS when he started attacking him. His transformation resulted in him curbstomping him.

Garou fought nobody else between Superallow Darkshine and Golden Sperm. That was the order of events. He started breaking his limiter in his fight vs SD and finished in vs GS. There is no justification for why GS should scale to him, at all.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I agree with Alakabamm.
 
so it also should be a change to tatsumaki for holding monster garou in place for the other heroes to land their attacks

and GS gets no scaling upgrade
 
You can't upgrade Tatsumaki without upgrading GS. They are on par by WoG

Yea, she held him in place for a bit but she was unable to damage him and he eventually got used to it.
 
a multi continent charcter should be absolutely no-selling a island levels characters attacks just like he did with all the other heroes.

yet he was struggling at first and made the "nghhh" sounds
 
She didn't even come close to damaging him and she could barely hold it against GS, who that Garou fodderized.
 
Ala is right. Tornado can't get an upgrade without GS getting one. And this wasn't the Garou that has Multi continent rating. Also SD held off Garou a lot better than Tornado or GS (hell even broke his ribs. All Tornado did was make him grunt for a brief moment before he stopped feeling anything) yet no one is arguing for his upgrade.

IMO uprgading someone since they'd beat a person via WoG who got fodderized to a weaker form of a person who's greatest form scales to someone via WoG is a little bit ridiculous.
 
It's was all accepted over at the obd though, Tatsumaki did more than just make him grunt she held him back using her psychic force she had to output the same amount of force he was to remain stationary ike a higher tier of that dude Geryuganshoop who tried to hold saitama back and it didn't work. Garou didn't break out due to him overwhelming her it was solely because of his Adaption abilities.

Again I don't see why we can't upgrade GS since Black Sperm is a Dragon disaster level threat being already stronger than Genos then his next form is the Multi-Celled Sperm which is vastly stronger becoming assimilated I can see this form being Island lvl but then he goes on to say theres still more of him and when all 10 trillion are together he becomes Golden Sperm I believe and thats a tenfold increase in power, do not take him lightly he still managed to exchange blows for a brief period of time
 
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