Tensura Speed rework/downgrade (low and possibly mid tiers)

[Dark_Soul20189]

Hello and welcome back to another fix, I think it's about time we start to tackle a massive issue on the tensura profiles... Their speed rating...

Verse - Tensura (Light Novel)
Profiles - General (all low tiers, and likely more)
Other - The verse page, will add the speed scaling chain..

This CRT will only have feats and statements up to Volume 5 (The harvest festival), to focus on the low tiers for now.
I will also skip feats from high tiers since this CRT doesn't affect them. I will also not include combination techniques, speed feats/statements.

Problem
Currently, everyone and their Grandma scales to this feat. (An A+ ranked adventure)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Dodged Rimuru's Black Lightning)

(The only one that currently doesn't is Gobta....)

So, where to even start with this one? First of all, I have no idea how this correlates to travel speed. Second of all, why so many people scale to this for no reason...


Solution
Find speed ratings that are more fitting. (Shizu's feat will stay, but no longer be the bottom line, and no longer scale travel speed.)
Make it clear that Speed is not related to one's "ranking".
Adding more feats and improving/revising the current chain scaling.
Nuke the current speed chain scaling, and start working on a new one.

Discuss the new scaling tiers and chain that will be implemented in the follow-up CRT.

Feats and statements
Adding new scans and scaling that will help with the newspeed rating.

Tempest Wolves

At least Superhuman (Travel Speed - Tempest Wolves can easily run at 26m/s for three hours, and still speed up.)

Volume 1, Chapter 3

Rimuru

Transonic (Perception speed - Rimuru could easily see things coming at him at mach 1)

Volume 1, Chapter 4

Hakurou (Orge)

Unknown (Combat Speed - Is capable of fighting in a speed that is equal to Rimuru's boosted perception speed.)

Volume 2, Chapter 1

Gabiru (pre-harvest festival -Not named by Rimuru)

Unknown (Combat speed - Comparable to an orc general.)

Volume 2, Chapter 4

Haurou (Kijin)

Unknown (Combat speed - Is capable of of fighting and moving at speed that even Rimuru is having a hard time following)

Volume 2, Chapter 6
Note Hakurou>Geld>Shion (speed)

Geld (Orc Disaster)

Unknown (Combat speed - Comparable to Rimuru)

Volume 2, Chapter 6

Soui and Ranga (and potential downscaling Star Wolf)

At most Massivly Hypersonic (Travel speed - Is capable of moving at near lightning speed with Shadow Motion and can more or less half the speed normaly.)

Volume 2, Chapter 7

Ranga (Pre-harvest festival - Tempest Star Wolf)

Unknown (flight speed - Is capable of running on air, faster than on ground.)

Volume 3, Chapter 5

Shion and Sufia

Unknown (speed - They are equal to each other in speed.)

Volume 4, Chapter 1

Rimuru (slime)

Transonic (Overall speed - Can move faster than the speed of sound.)

Volume 4, Chapter 6

Hakurou (kijin)

Supersonic (Overall speed - Can move at Supersonic)

Volume 5, Chapter 1

Hakurou (Kijin)

Unknown (attack speed - He can attack faster than Grucius can percive)

Volume 5, Chapter 1

Hakurou (kijin)

Unknown (movement speed- He can move at speed barley percivable to Gurcia)

Volume 5, Chapter 1

Kyoya

Unknown (Combat speed - Capable of defeating an weakened Hakurou, that is under the effects of Prison Field)

Volume 5, Chapter 3

Gobta (pre-harvest festival)

Supersonic (Attack Speed - With Case Cannon, he can attack faster than the speed of sound.)

Volume 5, Chapter 4

Hakurou (Kijin)

Unknown (Combat speed - capable of keeping up with Kyoya's All seeing eye, that grants, and 300 times boost to perception, without using any accelerations himself.)

Volume 5, Chapter 4 (feat) and Volume 5, Chapter 2 (boost)

Hakurou(Kijin)

Unknown (Combat speed - Completely speed blitzing a boosted Kyoya with All seeing eye, a 1000 times persception amp.)

Volume 5, Chapter 4 (both scans)

Shogo

Unknown (Combat speed - far faster than before)

Volume 5, Chapter 4

Geld (pre-harvest festival)

Unknown (combat speed- Faster than even imporved Shogo.)

Volume 5, Chapter 4

Gabiru

Subsonic (Combat speed - Comparable to Gobta)

Season 1 episode 11

Some more feats and statements collected by @Astral_Trinity439


After all of this, I think it's safe to say that the scaling for Current profiles is extremely and utterly ridiculous, with all these feats and statements proving they are having troubles at far lower speeds... It is also safe to say that someone's rank has nothing to do with speed.


So yeah, that's that part done, now let's get to the Current chain scaling and then the new one (The exact scaling and chain scaling will be discussed here, but finished in the next CRT.

Current Speed Chain Scaling
(Reminder, this only affects low tiers, and possibly some mid tiers)
(Won't talk about stuff that will be unaffected, such as Black Lightning, and people who actually scale past Shizue in Speed)

Rimuru: Comparable to Shizue, faster after training with Milim.
Benimaru: comparable to Shizue, superior to Hakurou
Hakurou: Blitzed orc Disaster Geld, capable of fighting and moving so fast that Rimuru can barely perceive him
Orc disaster: Comparable to Rimuru and Benimaru/Shion/Soui
Souei: Comparable to Hakurou
Shion: Comparable to hakruou
Kyoya: Defeated a weakened Hakurou
Razen: Comparable to Hikurou
Folgen: Should be comparable to Shogo and Kyoya
Shogo: Comparable to Geld
Ranga: Comparable to Hakurou
Sufia: Comparable to Shion
Phobio: Comparable to BeastKeepers
Alvis: Comparable to Sufia
Treyni: Superoir to hakurou
Gabiru: Comparable to Hakurou
Momoji: Comparable to Hakurou

Note - Please correct me if I got anything wrong here, since I am extremely confused... I just listed from the profiles, but it's just....)

But yeah, most of this will need to go since it's not only circle scaling, most of these are based on nothing, hell, a large portion of this has contradicting evidence.

New proposed Chain Scaling (work in progress with this CRT)
It will be edited and worked on in this CRT and will be fully implemented alongside the new values in the next CRT.

Has strong actual proof
Shion = Suffia
Hakurou's overall speed = Rimuru's boosted perception speed
Hakurou>Orc Disaster and Rimuru, as well as all kijins.
Ranga(Star tempest Wolf)=Souei
Rimuru≈Orc Disaster
Orc Disaster> Shion, Souei, and benimaru
Orc Disaster> Orc general
Orc general = Gabiru
Ranga>Orc general
Gobta (Pre-harvest Festival)≈Gabiru (Lizardman)

Reasonable assumptions
Benimaru≈Shion
Kyoya (fully boosted)≈ Hakurou (weakened)
Shogo≈Shion (Was capable of defeating her while weakened, and later got a massive speed boost.)

Summary - Conclusion
*This CRT will scrap most of the scaling to Shizue's feat, and the feat itself will no longer count as general speed, but combat speed instead.
*The current scaling chain gets nuked entirely (for pretty much all low-mid characters that are linked to what this thread addresses.)
*Gets new feats and statements accepted in this thread, which will be used to discuss and create the new scaling (both values and a new chain) that will be proposed in a follow-up thread.

Votes
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

NOTES
Only the first key of beings in their thread is relevant, such as Shion's "kijin" key, so their Oni keys will be ignored for now.
I will no longer turn on "show ignored comments, since that seems to add no value to the thread. (For people wondering, I have @AlexSamDen silenced, so yeah.)
During this thread activity, it has become clear that the feat itself is likely unreliable.
I have started working on the new sandbox with all the speed ratings for the next CRT, and it seems like everyone but Hakurou (low tiers) will get downgraded.

 

[MetaChronos]

it seems fine at first glance. I’ll give my review later but one part. When Hakurou speed blitzes Kyoya with the all seeing eye, he uses his heavenly eye, which is an ability.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

it seems fine at first glance. I’ll give my review later but one part. When Hakurou speed blitzes Kyoya with the all seeing eye, he uses his heavenly eye, which is an ability.

Regarding this, Heavenly eye doesn't actually boost one's perception speed, only one's sight and information intake (basically an improved version of magic sense) So it doesn't actually impact the speed of things.

Secondly, Hakurou used his "thought acceleration" to boost Kyoya...

But yeah, I hope this CRT will also be used to discuss the new scaling chain further, and who should scale to what.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Don't really mind the chain scaling update, however I disagree with some of the values
The most glaring is this one

At most High Hypersonic (Over all speed - Is capable of moving at near lightning speed, and can more or less double it with Shadow Movement.)

"Near lightning speed". Speed of lightning is Mach 1200, so this is MHS and not HHS

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

"Near lightning speed". Speed of lightning is Mach 1200, so this is MHS and not HHS

I asked some staff of-site, they said I should go with the lowest acceptable lighting speed, and that is 10,000m/s on the wiki

The speed of lightning can vary mostly in the range of 1.0-14×10^5 m/s. For the purpose of calculating speed feats, we use the average lightning speed of 4.4×10^5 m/s (Mach 1282.798834), which is suggested by this study. Similar studies have found average speeds within the same order of magnitude, albeit lower.

So yes, while you are not wrong with this statement, it is not fully correct either.

I went with the lowest value that is accepted for lightning speed, since it says "near lightning speed"; this was also recommended to me by the staff.

So yeah, that's why i went with the lowest value instead of "average".

 

[AlexSamDen]

I asked some staff of-site, they said I should go with the lowest acceptable lighting speed, and that is 10,000m/s on the wiki

So yes, while you are not wrong with this statement, it is not fully correct either.

I went with the lowest value that is accepted for lightning speed, since it says "near lightning speed"; this was also recommended to me by the staff.

So yeah, that's why i went with the lowest value instead of "average".

Except the value it shows is not 10,000 but 100,000....

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Except the value it shows is not 10,000 but 100,000....

Ahhh, my bad then.... (Not sure how this went past my mind or the one I asked to review....)

Will fix it now, I also noticed another small thing in the same part I messed up.... The normal speed is half the value, not the other way around...

 

[AlexSamDen]

Ahhh, my bad then.... (Not sure how this went past my mind or the one I asked to review....)

Will fix it now, I also noticed another small thing in the same part I messed up.... The normal speed is half the value, not the other way around...

That, by the new chain, still means that everyone is MHS... (Except Shuna and Gotta).
Also, why did you use transsonic perception for Rimuru again?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

That, by the new chain, still means that everyone is MHS... (Except Shuna and Gotta).

I doubt it, but yeah, it will be discussed during the proceedings of the thread.

Also, why did you use transsonic perception for Rimuru again?

I am collecting all the feats and statements, meaning even early Rimuru ones, that can be useful.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I doubt it, but yeah, it will be discussed during the proceedings of the thread.

Souei = Ranga = MHS. That means that Beni and Shion are MHS. That means Orc Disaster is MHS. That means Rimuru is MHS (duh. Why was that even a thing if Rimuru should be totally comparable to Shizue?). That means Hakurou is also MHS.
Also, about scaling by ranking. I do think this is a viable scaling method, since the adventurer ranks are assigned based on you defeating that rank of a monster. Which pretty much means that as long as there isn't too much specialisation (mage only, speedy assasin, pure tank), those in the same rank are generally comparable to each other

I am collecting all the feats and statements, meaning even early Rimuru ones, that can be useful.

K

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Souei = Ranga = MHS. That means that Beni and Shion are MHS. That means Orc Disaster is MHS. That means Rimuru is MHS (duh. Why was that even a thing if Rimuru should be totally comparable to Shizue?). That means Hakurou is also MHS.

Here is the thing, I am unsure exactly how reliable this chainscaling is (this feat was after orc disaster), and also it doesn't really fit narratively since we have directspeed statement later, that makes much slower speed impressive...

But yeah, this thread will hopefully be used to discuss the reliability of these feats and chains.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Here is the thing, I am unsure exactly how reliable this chainscaling is (this feat was after orc disaster)

Ranga doesn't really get any upgrades, so viable

, and also it doesn't really fit narratively since we have directspeed statement later, that makes much slower speed impressive...

But yeah, this thread will hopefully be used to discuss the reliability of these feats and chains.

Can you remind me of direct speed statements? Hopefully not from vol 1

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Can you remind me of direct speed statements? Hopefully not from vol 1

It's in my CRT, Hakurou is stated to be moving at Supersonic speed. (and he is the fastest) (volume 5)

Another thing is that we have repeatedly mentioned how SHion and Ranga's duo attack is Speed of sound or "broke the speed of sound", implying that it's close toit... one of these statements came when they were dealing with Charlybyss.

 

[AlexSamDen]

It's in my CRT, Hakurou is stated to be moving at Supersonic speed. (and he is the fastest) (volume 5)

That isn't a statement of him moving at it? It's a statement that any Supersonic target is impossible to target with normal magic. That just means Hakurou is at least Supersonic. Plus I heavily suspect that the actual kanji there is "faster than sound"

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

That isn't a statement of him moving at it? It's a statement that any Supersonic target is impossible to target with normal magic. That just means Hakurou is at least Supersonic. Plus I heavily suspect that the actual kanji there is "faster than sound"

Yeah, it was just one example, but it raises a question about the reliability of the current scaling.

Also, this (was writing this when you replied)

Another thing is that we have repeatedly mentioned how SHion and Ranga's duo attack is Speed of sound or "broke the speed of sound", implying that it's close toit... one of these statements came when they were dealing with Charlybyss.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Yeah, it was just one example, but it raises a question about the reliability of the current scaling.

Also, this (was writing this when you replied)

Honestly these statements would raise questions, since they're constantly compared to sound, however we do have a definite counter to that
The counter is The Asura. Remember the statement about the tip of the sword breaking the sound barrier? That falls into our current situation of "probably an anti-feat", however we also have a direct statement of Asura grabbing a sub-lightspeed attack in the same fight. We've got Velgrynd going for the fastest physical speed and a direct value for Swim.
So basically we conclude that Fuse slaps "faster than sound" even on things that are tens and hundreds of thousands times faster than it

 

[Lycoris4812]

I mean yeah, faster than sound doesn't limit anything. Speed of sound does tho.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

This

Shion = Suffia
Hakurou's overall speed = Rimuru's boosted perception speed
Hakurou>Orc Disaster and Rimuru, as well as all kijins.

Ranga=Soue
Rimuru≈Orc Disaster

Orc Disaster> Shion, Souei, and benimaru
Orc Disaster> Orc general

Orc general = Gabiru
Ranga>Orc general

So nothing really changed, I guess, other than removing it from travel speed.

I mean, Rimuru is just using Mimicry of Shizus appearance, and it allows Rimuru to replicate the same level of power or strength as the target (which should include speed). So Hakurou blitzing him would still make him MHS overall, which means all these characters should also be MHS.

As for travel speed, Tensura characters generally have slow travel speed as far as I know, so yeah, kinda agree.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Ah, another thing I wanted to mention is that Shizue never was the bottom line. The bottom line in our current speed scaling is the Direwolf Boss

 

[Loetkolben16]

I do agree that our speed scaling needs a general overhaul, but it'll really be a pain in the ass, since Fuse can't stay consistent for the love of him.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I do agree that our speed scaling needs a general overhaul, but it'll really be a pain in the ass, since Fuse can't stay consistent for the love of him.

Yeah, that's why I made this, to first nuke the current existing ones and discuss replacement in this thread. (The new one will be added in the follow-up thread after we have discussed it thoroughly here.)

I will say this, I do not believe anyone should chain scale to massively hypersonic this early on, when the high tiers also scale around that....

 

[Loetkolben16]

Yeah, but we also have to change higher ratings.

While theoretically everyone higher than Saint in transition Hinata should be capable of dodging in and out of actual light speed attacks, we also know that Sylvia, who has a higher instantaneous speed than both Elmesia and Leon only sits at 100 kms, which I'm not sure if it's only movement speed or also combat speed. All while Leon should have light speed attack speed...

From low to top it's all a giant mess. Depending on interpretations we can leave most of them at hypersonic and relativistic, but there are also arguments to just nuke anyone below the true dragons and above, out of relativistic speed.


But you only want to talk about low tiers first, right?

So I'm just rambling a bit here.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Gonna ignore all things related to higher to keep the focus on the matter in this CRT.

Yeah, but we also have to change higher ratings.

With time, yeah.

But you only want to talk about low tiers first, right?

Pretty much, I wanted to cut down the CRT so it's at least possible to work something out, so I decided to limit this to the low tiers before harvest festival, so we can start with making an accurate floor, and work our way up.


Side note- Regarding Ranga's feat, I have decided to rework the chain scaling a bit and Shion and Benimaru from Souei and Ranga.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Side note- Regarding Ranga's feat, I have decided to rework the chain scaling a bit and Shion and Benimaru from Souei and Ranga.

That seems rather unreasonable. Ranga and Souei don't have any statements of being different enough in speed than these two. Even more, Beni should be fully superior to Ranga so at least comparable in terms of speed
It's honestly starting to look like you just want to make at least some changes to the values instead of just accepting the possibility of a correct value scaling

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

That seems rather unreasonable. Ranga and Souei don't have any statements of being different enough in speed than these two. Even more, Beni should be fully superior to Ranga so at least comparable in terms of speed

I was looking around and found zero reason he should scale to them. Both Souei and Ranga are speed-focused, while Shion and Benimaru are not. Benimaru is an all-rounder, while Shion is a Brawler.

So, I think we don't have enough evidence to say they are equal.

Also, what are you on about? You can make arguments that Benimaru is superior to Ranga in any way, BUT speed.

And that is not to mention how much narrative this speed scaling breaks, and I almost want to nuke it entirely and call it an outlier, with how many contradicting statements and feats we have.

It's honestly starting to look like you just want to make at least some changes to the values instead of just accepting the possibility of a correct value scaling

Oh, I am so sorry that I am trying to fix the scaling to make it as accurate as possible. It doesn't fit with your "Tensura and my favourite characters" should scale as high as possible.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I was looking around and found zero reason he should scale to them. Both Souei and Ranga are speed-focused, while Shion and Benimaru are not. Benimaru is an all-rounder, while Shion is a Brawler.

Can you provide the source? I don't particularly remember any statements for Ranga's specialty and the fights he already had make it seem like he prefers the "overwhelming power" approach
Souei is stealth-focused, not speed. They, as I remember, even spar regularly with Beni

Also, what are you on about? You can make arguments that Benimaru is superior to Ranga in any way, BUT speed.

So Ogres overwhelming Ranga is just not a thing now? If he has such a speed advantage, why didn't he use it? Hakurou wasn't interfering with him

And that is not to mention how much narrative this speed scaling breaks, and I almost want to nuke it entirely and call it an outlier, with how many contradicting statements and feats we have.

So can you actually provide a full explanation on the narrative break that can't be attributed to difference between travel and combat speed? (And hopefully not "faster than sound" again since I already gave an answer to that)

Oh, I am so sorry that I am trying to fix the scaling to make it as accurate as possible. It doesn't fit with your "Tensura and my favourite characters" should scale as high as possible.

Oh, so changing the order of the scaling chain the moment you realize that nothing really changed with the values without actually providing a reasoning to it isn't unreasonable now? People agreed with that previous version already, so you have to provide arguments to change it

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Here is the thing, I am unsure exactly how reliable this chainscaling is (this feat was after orc disaster), and also it doesn't really fit narratively since we have directspeed statement later, that makes much slower speed impressive...

Fuse literally just writes this way. “Tens of times faster than sound” hundreds of times faster “. I disagree on these being debunks to the chain scaling

 

[CodeCCLL]

@AlexSamDen makes sense here.

As for travel speed, Tensura characters generally have slow travel speed as far as I know, so yeah, kinda agree.

Normally we would expect humanoid beings travel speed to be similar to combat speed, but Fuse...

 

[CodeCCLL]

We've got Velgrynd going for the fastest physical speed and a direct value for Swim

Also, when I take the translations and calculate Swim's destruction of the star systems (4-A), I'll mention, that the explosion from Swim's projectiles is should to travel the average distance between the two star systems in seconds. So while the speed of the bullets themselves is a bit questionable, the speed of the explosions they create must be tens of millions of times faster than light (MFTL+)

But yes.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Regarding the SoL value, my thoughts on it is just a limit for "Physical speed.", but either way, it is not relevant for this thread.

Also, keep in mind the new chain scaling is not being officially accepted in this CRT, but instead be worked on during this CRT, so I hope to get as many inputs from different users as possible, and preferably have some scans.

(Note I am only focusing on stuff before the harvest festival)

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Also, when I take the translations and calculate Swim's destruction of the star systems (4-A), I'll mention, that the explosion from Swim's projectiles is should to travel the average distance between the two star systems in seconds. So while the speed of the bullets themselves is a bit questionable, the speed of the explosions they create must be tens of millions of times faster than light (MFTL+)

But yes.

You know how much that lightspeed cap fries my brain.
So what are you going to do (degrade the size/distance of the Solar System fr)?

 

[AlexSamDen]

You know how much that lightspeed cap fries my brain.
So what are you going to do (degrade the size/distance of the Solar System fr)?

"Speed of light isn't constant" - Rimuru Vol23 and Ciel Vol21

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

"Speed of light isn't constant" - Rimuru Vol23 and Ciel Vol21

Fastest speed of light known to fiction

 

[Loetkolben16]

Fastest speed of light known to fiction

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@Dark_Soul20189 I'll try to look for speed related stuff for the earlier volumes, to give more input, but I can't promise anything.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

@Dark_Soul20189 I'll try to look for speed related stuff for the earlier volumes, to give more input, but I can't promise anything.

Thank you, most of the stuff that was self-evident I have already put into the CRT, some stuff that i skipped was Shion and Ranga fighting Charlybiss at the speed of sound.... (skipped due to them combining their attacks to reach this speed)

Another thing I am unsure of, was Benimaru speed blitzing the Church's fooder (soldiers).

But yeah, all scans are relevant. (I personally focused from Volume 1 to 5 and skipped anything after the Harvest festival.

 

[Verlice_tempest]

The chain scaling looks right, I'll agree

 

[ashen]

Also, when I take the translations and calculate Swim's destruction of the star systems (4-A), I'll mention, that the explosion from Swim's projectiles is should to travel the average distance between the two star systems in seconds. So while the speed of the bullets themselves is a bit questionable, the speed of the explosions they create must be tens of millions of times faster than light (MFTL+)

But yes.

The shockwave isn’t necessarily traveling at that speed.
he isn’t supposed to have such a velocity (stated to be sub-light) but his whole power gimmick is about teleportation so it’s not impossible to just teleports attacks or himself like he did in volume 23.

But I’m pretty sure those star systems were not normals one since the interstellar region he inhabited was like… bigger than many-many universes.

But that is pure speculation for those destructions anyway.

 

[AlexSamDen]

The shockwave isn’t necessarily traveling at that speed.
he isn’t supposed to have such a velocity (stated to be sub-light) but his whole power gimmick is about teleportation so it’s not impossible to just teleports attacks or himself like he did in volume 23.

That's his velocity, yes, but nothing says his attacks can't go faster
And Swim doesn't teleport much, that's Habataki you think of

 

[ashen]

That's his velocity, yes, but nothing says his attacks can't go faster
And Swim doesn't teleport much, that's Habataki you think of

While hatabaki teleports more swim also possess a similar power specifically for interstellar and even universal range, perfectly matching abilities for somone who is said again and again the be sub-light EVEN in his original world.

Raw scan : here

His maximum Combat speed was several time called "sub-light" and we perfectly know what that means, Fuse specifically mentions when he actually wants some FTL feats like for hells void expansion.

Swim originally swims through the interstellar space of an Otherworld far vaster than countless universes combined.

Its maximum combat speed reaches sub-light velocity. By warping through space using "Otherworld Gates"—created as naturally as breathing—it is a living cataclysm that has annihilated countless interstellar nations.

An "Otherworld Gate" is a type of "Transfer Gate," a form of spatial teleportation designed for ultra-long-distance travel on a universal scale. By placing these at various locations, Swim could easily travel back and forth to any place it had visited once.

Such is the nature of Swim, but in terms of sheer Existence Value, it rivals the "Dragon Species" (True Dragons).

Its massive body measures two thousand meters even in its normal state, and if Swim desires, it can grow even larger. Just by relying on its speed and destructive power, it was unparalleled in its ferocity—an entity that completely defied the concept of individual combat.

Although it can freely change its size, a moment's thought reveals that it is ill-suited for activity on the ground. Even in the vast "Central World," that fact remains unchanged.

Even so—when "Mama" calls, there is no refusing.

Excited by this first-time experience, Swim manifested upon the surface.

Swim intended to shrink to a size suitable for ground activity, but apparently, it was still too large. After adjusting its size a bit more, it took on a form that allowed for comfortable movement.

The distance to the enemy was far too short; normally, reaching top speed would be impossible. However, Swim was different. It could reach sub-light speed from a standing start, capable of trampling any enemy it touched.

This time was to be no different.

Just like the countless interstellar nations before it, this planet was supposed to be transformed into a dead wasteland.

However, something interfered with Swim. (Gemini translations - so may not be 100% accurate)

We got no reasons to assumes this technique has FTL for no reason while the caracter is specifically mentioned to move a maximum set speed for combat.

The technique was said to have annihilated stars systems, but that could be through several firings, akin to sayin "this sword of mine has cut through many planets" it doesn’t mean it was done in one slicing.

If it was said that specifically this firing would have annihilated several star systems that could have been ok, but once he fired it it was only "A" star system, not plural.

Besides even if it is done in 1 quantum splash you know that some authorities just activates "disregarding space and time" like belzebuth, even magic can activate regardless of the distance as long as you have the right coordinates (as said in volume 23), but that wouldn’t literally be speed thought just some hax that is solely relient on perceptions.

I won’t post in this thread again to not derails it further, contact me on tensura discussion if you want to talk.

 

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The technique was said to have annihilated stars systems, but that could be through several firings, akin to sayin "this sword of mine has cut through many planets" it doesn’t mean it was done in one slicing.

If it was said that specifically this firing would have annihilated several star systems that could have been ok, but once he fired it it was only "A" star system, not plural.

Damn, if the translation is as you say, you're right. The MTL translation made me think that the star systems were somehow destroyed at a specific moment.