Tensura Speed rework/downgrade (low and possibly mid tiers)

[AlexSamDen]

As the scaling stands now in the OP, I don't see any issues. So I agree with the revisions, but I do want to confirm if everything in the comments have been resolved.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing resolved in the thread is that the old chain is faulty and Shizu's feat needs to go

The new scaling chain wasn't really established. The one that is currently in the OP was edited, so people that were agreeing in the first page basically didn't vote yet. In the middle of this page, new MHS+ feats were brought up and it can be said that no one currently agreed to the proposed chain

I've tried to start a conversation on the topic with @CodeCCLL (one of the knowledgeable members of the verse), but they're busy and we didn't have the opportunity to discuss downscales and the like that much

So, the issue wasn't addressed properly, as per my opinion

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

As the scaling stands now in the OP, I don't see any issues. So I agree with the revisions, but I do want to confirm if everything in the comments have been resolved.

Not entirely.
As Alex said above, the OP's downgrade is agreed upon but there are several things brought up that haven't been discussed here

And many things need calculations as well
After the old scaling chain downgrade, a new relativitic+ feat for Rimuru alone (no scaling chain) was also brought up but no one discussed it either, along with a few other scaling chain proposals

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

As the scaling stands now in the OP, I don't see any issues. So I agree with the revisions, but I do want to confirm if everything in the comments have been resolved.

I am currently working on the new speed tiers. This CRT is to fully erase the current scaling chain and find good alternatives. The exact values will be brought up in a follow-up CRT.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

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[Dark_Soul20189]

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[Random-Helper323]

What's been concluded so far?

 

[AlexSamDen]

What's been concluded so far?

These are current sum ups

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing resolved in the thread is that the old chain is faulty and Shizu's feat needs to go

The new scaling chain wasn't really established. The one that is currently in the OP was edited, so people that were agreeing in the first page basically didn't vote yet. In the middle of this page, new MHS+ feats were brought up and it can be said that no one currently agreed to the proposed chain

I've tried to start a conversation on the topic with @CodeCCLL (one of the knowledgeable members of the verse), but they're busy and we didn't have the opportunity to discuss downscales and the like that much

So, the issue wasn't addressed properly, as per my opinion

Not entirely.
As Alex said above, the OP's downgrade is agreed upon but there are several things brought up that haven't been discussed here

And many things need calculations as well
After the old scaling chain downgrade, a new relativitic+ feat for Rimuru alone (no scaling chain) was also brought up but no one discussed it either, along with a few other scaling chain proposals

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

What's been concluded so far?

That the current speed scaling is a mess and needs to be nuked.

This thread does not propose an exact replacement for now, but does bring up feats that will be used, as well as my current thoughts regarding the scaling chain.

(The new scaling and scaling chain will be proposed, in a follow-up CRT when everything is done.... (This will take some time.)

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I haven’t read every post here, but based on the original post alone, I’m comfortable with the proposed solution, unless someone has objection. The added context also looks good to me.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Looking at it, I can see what's wrong with the existing speed scale. This looks like an enormous downgrade though. Shouldn't we look for something in the middle somewhere?

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

This looks like an enormous downgrade though

The existing feat is clearly about reaction speed, not travel speed, and this revision is simply correcting that distinction.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Looking at it, I can see what's wrong with the existing speed scale. This looks like an enormous downgrade though. Shouldn't we look for something in the middle somewhere?

Here is the thing.... Tensura scaling stops at SoL.... And by scaling the lowest of low tiers to MHS, it becomes massivly inconsistant....

The truth is that the current speed scaling is far too high for low tiers. We constantly have statements in this phase of the novel about how the speed of sound is impressive.... To have such a statement when they all can move MHS is just wrong.

And no, we have no feats between them, so they will either scale around the speed of sound, and be narratively correct, or we select the highball feats (calc) and make everyone scale to MHS.... The truth is, we have no showing of anything between the 2 ratings at this point.


So no, finding a middle ground is not possible since it doesn't exist in the first place....

 

[Random-Helper323]

The existing feat is clearly about reaction speed, not travel speed, and this revision is simply correcting that distinction.

Fair enough. It seems fine then. It might be a good idea to look for a higher speed feat for them later.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Welp.... then this CRT is finally over... And I can focus on preparing the discussion thread for the new speed ratings and chains... This time it will have each and everyone with a description, so it can be much more easily discussed.

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Thank you for the evaluation, and can I request this to be closed? (unless either of you have any questions?)

 

[AlexSamDen]

We constantly have statements in this phase of the novel about how the speed of sound is impressive....

Would like to note (because we've already discussed this in this thread, and I'm tired of talking about it in different places for Veldanava knows how much times), that we shouldn't take these seriously due to Fuse's writing style even later on. He does things like "oh wow, it broke the sound barrier" and then "well that attack was actually Mach 100,000"

 

[Random-Helper323]

Welp.... then this CRT is finally over... And I can focus on preparing the discussion thread for the new speed ratings and chains... This time it will have each and everyone with a description, so it can be much more easily discussed.



Thank you for the evaluation, and can I request this to be closed? (unless either of you have any questions?)

We usually only close the thread after changes are applied.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

We usually only close the thread after changes are applied.

Here is the thing.... This thread didn't actually add a new rating or scaling chain; it just abolished the old ones. It also helped me get a much better idea of where the new scaling rating and chain should be.

So yeah, it helped set up the next one, where I will have a sandbox with the new descriptions with their speed rating (from feats/statements/calcs/chain), and explained everything as it would on a profile.

It also got the main feats I found accepted.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Closing it then.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Here is the thing.... This thread didn't actually add a new rating or scaling chain; it just abolished the old ones. It also helped me get a much better idea of where the new scaling rating and chain should be.

So yeah, it helped set up the next one, where I will have a sandbox with the new descriptions with their speed rating (from feats/statements/calcs/chain), and explained everything as it would on a profile.

It also got the main feats I found accepted.

Okay, but it proposes a downgrade to the speed stat. Are we applying that?