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The Adventures Of CH
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And does Composite Human (I'm assuming it's them & not Combined Human) have to go through the same adventuring steps as Red? They can do their own adventure, right?
Also, given that Red's B2/W2 team is for the Pokemon World Tournament, & you don't just involuntarily end up in the PWT, is Red just a random, wandering challenger CH meets out on the road, after CH's "post game" or something, or does CH intentionally set out to defeat Red & his Pokemon? Or is there some other reason?
Also, given that Red's B2/W2 team is for the Pokemon World Tournament, & you don't just involuntarily end up in the PWT, is Red just a random, wandering challenger CH meets out on the road, after CH's "post game" or something, or does CH intentionally set out to defeat Red & his Pokemon? Or is there some other reason?
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CH can do their own steps, but they have to follow the same basic path ( EX: He can catch different Pokemon, buy different things, he can convince people to give him extra things, but can't join Team Rocket) Also, CH intentionally sets out to defeat the ultimate trainer, but doesn't know much about himImaginym said:
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I will assume you mean that "A Pokemon Battle with Red the Trainer is required" & not "A Pokemon battle with Red's Pokemon" is required.
SO. I'm not sure how different in intelligence, strengths & weaknesses Composite Human is from Combined Human , but....
Being CH, they may very well have played &/or made the games- & so, they can definitely plan, as they almost certainly have a lot of knowledge, skills. Their knowledge is limited by the fact that, concering they ultimate trainer, they know OF them, & little else, but this isn't a big deal.
What I imagine is this:
Composite Human does not have a time limit for their adventure. Thus, they go on what's a mostly normal journey, with a plan in mind.
Here's a map of Kanto:
Given that CH could likely easily obtain a map, assuming they don't have photographic memory to memorize something like this from the real world, planning their journey should go well.
They pick Squirtle & catch a Nidoran, training both intensely.
At Cerulean City, they capture an Abra, adding it to their team. Nidoran should already be Nidorino, & thanks to a Moon Stone in Mt. Moon, Nidoking. Plus, Wartortle. They obtain their bike, needed for getting to Fuschia City.
After taking out Erika, Koga, & Sabrina, they storm Silph Co. They obtain a Lapras from someone they rescue, as well as the Master Ball. I don't know if CH has the skills/materials to replicate it, so let's assume they don't.
They know the optimal route through the Safari Zone, so they take that, & obtain Surf, teaching it to what is likely now a Blastoise. If they obtain any Pokemon here, it's Exeggcute & Doduo.
Exeggcute for reasons to be explained, & Doduo because there's been no need to obtain a Flying type until now, & since you said "Reds Fire Red and Leaf Green adventure", I'm assuming it's FR/LG movepools.
With no Megas & Gen 3 movepools, Dodrio is probably better than Pidgeot or Fearow. & whether or not it can fly, it's still fast & smart. Pidgeot is sort of a maybe.
With the Safari Zone, they surf to Seafoam Islands from the east, and....
Land, put away their Pokemon & sneak along the Southernmost's caves left shore, choosing not to go through the hassle of trekking from Fuschia to Pallete then Cinnabar, & not having to attempting to go through Seafoam Islands from Fuschia to Cinnabar either!
They go & beat Blaine, & detour to the Sevii Islands thanks to Bill. Here, if CH couldn't get Lapras during Silph Co., they do so by further detouring to Four Island, be it with their own Pokemon & skills to go from One, Two, or Three Island to Four Island, or stealing/bargaining for a Rainbow Pass from Celio. If not.... Well, that's why they have Blastoise. (Maybe Charizard could work, though.)
CH, after Sevii, buys a Leaf Stone for their Exeggcute, which they've trained well. They beat Giovanni. At this point, they do 1 of 3 things:
A. Go hiking, approaching Unknown Dungeon from an unguarded side, as there's only a guard at one point, &, on the back of Lapras, use their Pokemon to break into Unknown Dungeon, such as with Blastoise's cannons, or Nidoking's Horn Drill. Given that most fully evolved Pokemon are 7-A on our wiki, breaking into a cave should be no problem. Throw Master Ball, catch Mewtwo, beat Pokemon League.
B. Take on the Pokemon League, & with their amazing skill & knowledge, & use it as an opportunity to make themselves & their Pokemon even stronger, THEN take on Mewtwo, & do so with permission, as they're the Champion. Given that their 2 day time limit starts once they're Champion -I'd assume they receive a PWT invitation as they're made Champion- this seems the least likely, given the plans.
C. Go back to catch Articuno now that they've beaten Blaine & Giovanni. Master Ball that. Capture other birds. Unlike Red in Origins, take on Mewtwo with all 6 Pokemon at once. Freeze solid & capture if necessary.
Regarding Mewtwo without the birds:
Ultimately, CH now has Mewtwo, thanks to the Master Ball. Even if that wasn't enough, they had Exeggutor, a Psychic type to use Sleep Powder & at the least, a Kadabra to fight back. (Arguably, at some point, a Hypno might've also helped.) Lapras can also use Sing. Be it by Master Ball while Mewtwo is distracted with 6 other Pokemon, at least 2 of which might be trying to put it to sleep. Even just knocking it out & capturing it should work, given that not being able to catch fainted Pokemon is mostly Game Mechanics.
Mewtwo in particular MIGHT not even notice the ball if it's in a fight against 6 other Pokemon. Might.
If somehow, sleep inducement, & battling with their whole Champion-beating team & the Master Ball fails, CH likely retreats via Teleport, assuming we allow that to work in a cave.
CH now has 4 Pokemon spoken only of in Legend. It's unsure if Mew will appear before them. Probably not, though.
With 4 Legendary Pokemon, they train them in the event of issues commanding them or disobedience, & given that this is a VsBattle, they tier stomp the Elite Four & the Champion.
Their 2 backups are Exeggutor & Lapras, with Nidoking as a 3rd if they don't obtain Mewtwo. In the Mewtwo battle, Exeggutor fills the cave with Sleep Powder, &/or Lapras fills it with Sing. They serve similar roles in the Elite 4 & Champion battles, except Lapras also uses Perish Song on sleeping Pokemon. Otherwise, they fight normally, aside from always going for Sleep Inducement.
Similarly, once the tournament arrives, & they face Red, Exeggutor & Lapras do the same as usual, but if Nidoking is present, it Horn Drills sleeping foes.
Otherwise, CH's 1st resort is to Tier Stomp with Legendaries. This is probably the more complex path; It's only so complicated because it's really hard to find a way of getting a definite chance of victory against a Champion Level opponent.
If the goal wasn't "Defeat Red in a Pokemon Battle" & instead, simply "Defeat Red's Pokemon -yes, the ones he trained, not just any members of their species- in a Pokemon Battle", the plan is actually a lot simpler, easier, & not dependent on being able to put a Legendary to sleep &/or catch it with a Master Ball during battle against your whole team before it Tier Stomps you & you're forced to either try to retreat -via Alakazam- or die.
SO. I'm not sure how different in intelligence, strengths & weaknesses Composite Human is from Combined Human , but....
Being CH, they may very well have played &/or made the games- & so, they can definitely plan, as they almost certainly have a lot of knowledge, skills. Their knowledge is limited by the fact that, concering they ultimate trainer, they know OF them, & little else, but this isn't a big deal.
What I imagine is this:
Composite Human does not have a time limit for their adventure. Thus, they go on what's a mostly normal journey, with a plan in mind.
Here's a map of Kanto:
Given that CH could likely easily obtain a map, assuming they don't have photographic memory to memorize something like this from the real world, planning their journey should go well.
They pick Squirtle & catch a Nidoran, training both intensely.
At Cerulean City, they capture an Abra, adding it to their team. Nidoran should already be Nidorino, & thanks to a Moon Stone in Mt. Moon, Nidoking. Plus, Wartortle. They obtain their bike, needed for getting to Fuschia City.
After taking out Erika, Koga, & Sabrina, they storm Silph Co. They obtain a Lapras from someone they rescue, as well as the Master Ball. I don't know if CH has the skills/materials to replicate it, so let's assume they don't.
They know the optimal route through the Safari Zone, so they take that, & obtain Surf, teaching it to what is likely now a Blastoise. If they obtain any Pokemon here, it's Exeggcute & Doduo.
Exeggcute for reasons to be explained, & Doduo because there's been no need to obtain a Flying type until now, & since you said "Reds Fire Red and Leaf Green adventure", I'm assuming it's FR/LG movepools.
With no Megas & Gen 3 movepools, Dodrio is probably better than Pidgeot or Fearow. & whether or not it can fly, it's still fast & smart. Pidgeot is sort of a maybe.
With the Safari Zone, they surf to Seafoam Islands from the east, and....
Land, put away their Pokemon & sneak along the Southernmost's caves left shore, choosing not to go through the hassle of trekking from Fuschia to Pallete then Cinnabar, & not having to attempting to go through Seafoam Islands from Fuschia to Cinnabar either!
They go & beat Blaine, & detour to the Sevii Islands thanks to Bill. Here, if CH couldn't get Lapras during Silph Co., they do so by further detouring to Four Island, be it with their own Pokemon & skills to go from One, Two, or Three Island to Four Island, or stealing/bargaining for a Rainbow Pass from Celio. If not.... Well, that's why they have Blastoise. (Maybe Charizard could work, though.)
CH, after Sevii, buys a Leaf Stone for their Exeggcute, which they've trained well. They beat Giovanni. At this point, they do 1 of 3 things:
A. Go hiking, approaching Unknown Dungeon from an unguarded side, as there's only a guard at one point, &, on the back of Lapras, use their Pokemon to break into Unknown Dungeon, such as with Blastoise's cannons, or Nidoking's Horn Drill. Given that most fully evolved Pokemon are 7-A on our wiki, breaking into a cave should be no problem. Throw Master Ball, catch Mewtwo, beat Pokemon League.
B. Take on the Pokemon League, & with their amazing skill & knowledge, & use it as an opportunity to make themselves & their Pokemon even stronger, THEN take on Mewtwo, & do so with permission, as they're the Champion. Given that their 2 day time limit starts once they're Champion -I'd assume they receive a PWT invitation as they're made Champion- this seems the least likely, given the plans.
C. Go back to catch Articuno now that they've beaten Blaine & Giovanni. Master Ball that. Capture other birds. Unlike Red in Origins, take on Mewtwo with all 6 Pokemon at once. Freeze solid & capture if necessary.
Regarding Mewtwo without the birds:
Ultimately, CH now has Mewtwo, thanks to the Master Ball. Even if that wasn't enough, they had Exeggutor, a Psychic type to use Sleep Powder & at the least, a Kadabra to fight back. (Arguably, at some point, a Hypno might've also helped.) Lapras can also use Sing. Be it by Master Ball while Mewtwo is distracted with 6 other Pokemon, at least 2 of which might be trying to put it to sleep. Even just knocking it out & capturing it should work, given that not being able to catch fainted Pokemon is mostly Game Mechanics.
Mewtwo in particular MIGHT not even notice the ball if it's in a fight against 6 other Pokemon. Might.
| HeartGold | Because its battle abilities were raised to the ultimate level, it thinks only of defeating its foes. |
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CH now has 4 Pokemon spoken only of in Legend. It's unsure if Mew will appear before them. Probably not, though.
| Gold | Apparently, it appears only to those people who are pure of heart and have a strong desire to see it. |
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With 4 Legendary Pokemon, they train them in the event of issues commanding them or disobedience, & given that this is a VsBattle, they tier stomp the Elite Four & the Champion.
Their 2 backups are Exeggutor & Lapras, with Nidoking as a 3rd if they don't obtain Mewtwo. In the Mewtwo battle, Exeggutor fills the cave with Sleep Powder, &/or Lapras fills it with Sing. They serve similar roles in the Elite 4 & Champion battles, except Lapras also uses Perish Song on sleeping Pokemon. Otherwise, they fight normally, aside from always going for Sleep Inducement.
Similarly, once the tournament arrives, & they face Red, Exeggutor & Lapras do the same as usual, but if Nidoking is present, it Horn Drills sleeping foes.
Otherwise, CH's 1st resort is to Tier Stomp with Legendaries. This is probably the more complex path; It's only so complicated because it's really hard to find a way of getting a definite chance of victory against a Champion Level opponent.
If the goal wasn't "Defeat Red in a Pokemon Battle" & instead, simply "Defeat Red's Pokemon -yes, the ones he trained, not just any members of their species- in a Pokemon Battle", the plan is actually a lot simpler, easier, & not dependent on being able to put a Legendary to sleep &/or catch it with a Master Ball during battle against your whole team before it Tier Stomps you & you're forced to either try to retreat -via Alakazam- or die.
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CH is obscenely intelligent. More intelligent than anyone else can possibly get by a significant margin. Anything Red can do he can do better.
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What AssaultWaffle said. Composite Human's biggest failing, really, is that, while they might be the more skilled trainer, & may still have a chance even without Legendaries....
Durability: Wall level (a man's bone density was eight times higher than that of the average human)
They REALLY need to make sure they have a plan against dying to collateral damage from Pokemon moves. Arguably, this makes their "Catch Legendaries for Tier Stomp" a bigger risk.
The only advantage I can assume Red has is that OP says "CH goes through all of Reds Fire Red and Leaf Green adventure, catching Pokemon." which could be interpreted as meaning CH may only have access to FR/LG Pokemon, items, moves, etc.?MAYBE?Which is kind of weird in a Vs Battle, & given how few differences there are between FR/LG stuff & Red's B2/W2 team, I'm not even sure it's a big deal.
Durability: Wall level (a man's bone density was eight times higher than that of the average human)
They REALLY need to make sure they have a plan against dying to collateral damage from Pokemon moves. Arguably, this makes their "Catch Legendaries for Tier Stomp" a bigger risk.
The only advantage I can assume Red has is that OP says "CH goes through all of Reds Fire Red and Leaf Green adventure, catching Pokemon." which could be interpreted as meaning CH may only have access to FR/LG Pokemon, items, moves, etc.?MAYBE?Which is kind of weird in a Vs Battle, & given how few differences there are between FR/LG stuff & Red's B2/W2 team, I'm not even sure it's a big deal.
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well, because charmander and squirtle is not here obviously, he did choose bulbasaur (this will be the journey to pewter city)
He will skip blue since blue isnt there in the timeline, he wont get problems, he trains his team with a butterfree, and they sweep brock with vine whips,
He will skip blue since blue isnt there in the timeline, he wont get problems, he trains his team with a butterfree, and they sweep brock with vine whips,
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