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The Archiver vs. Ultimate Madoka

Ugh idk. She doesn't resist most of his stuff and neither does he, so The Archiver takes it? Since Madoka is only omnipresent through space, while The Archiver is omnipresent through both time and space.
 
No Madoka has similar omnipresence


And she can probably mindhax him


Or just remove his concept from the multiverse if mindhax won't work
 
Her profile only says she exists throughout the multiverse doe.

Then it's probably an inconclusive until we clear up how high into 2-A The Archiver is. Since either of them does anything and they win.
 
The multiverse happens to be made of time and space.

Madoka exists in all the timelines in every moment, including those predating her human version
 
Well he basically controled the chaos and nothingness. Will any of them be useful? Also his will manip, info manip etc should do the job. Also omniscience makes this at best an inconclusive, until we decide the level he is in.

Also why so much Archivers and less Ginjis even though they are basically the same thing in their last keys.

The Archiver is a god system of creation so a lot of what he can do is a bit unknown, can we pls use him less?
 
"Will Manip"

Madoka resists Mind Control

"Info Manip"

That's just a form of conceptual manipulation

"Omniscience"

If taken out of your own verse, an omniscient will become nigh omnisicient
 
Will manip isn't always the same as mind control so no.

That depends. Concept manip can be a subset of info and vice versa, so need to show that she resists her information getting changed etc.

Ok true enough. Still he has other things that work the same way like clairvoyance or the fact that he literally read everything as data.

Also can't he just rewrite stuff and say "you can't do anything via MUH law"? She doesn't resist law manip.
 
Madoka overwrote that law with her own that said "No u, begone." like she did to UKG after the later resists her initial law.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
Though, shouldn't archiver have all powers in verse?
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He does with the exception of a few, like Jagan and Asclepius. Most significant powers in the verse come as a result of him. Though we have no idea on what he resists due to being well...a god creator since he doesn't fight. That's why i say use Ginji Amano since we at least know more about his resistances and stuff.
 
Homu Sweet Homu said:
Madoka overwrote that law with her own that said "No u, begone." like she did to UKG after the later resists her initial law.
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Not if the law is already in place. You'd have to resist the law to then be able to act against it and rewrite it.
 
That's what UKG tried to Madoka, and the former still get stuck within nonexistence Multiverse thanks to Madoka Law.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Homu Sweet Homu said:
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
To be fair, Madoka got ****** over by law manip in verse, but depends on how Archiver's law hax works
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She got screwed by Conceptual manip actually.
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Both being things the archiver has.
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Unless Madoka got screwed by it because she doesn't sees Homura as enemy.

That's not the case in here tho.
 
Considering that Archiver is baseline 2-A right now, Madoka eventually overpowers his law because she fooderizes baseline 2-As and her own law extends over two multiverses
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
It's not like brute force is the biggest factor here tho

But madoka has an advantage in both AP and Hax
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"And her own law extends over two multiverses"

This isn't about simple AP, it's the scale of her hax
 
Kaltias said:
Considering that Archiver is baseline 2-A right now, Madoka eventually overpowers his law because she fooderizes baseline 2-As and her own law extends over two multiverses
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He's not. We are unsure where he stands, Infinity Factorial was accepted by DarkLK, but he then said that he couldn't speak for certain because he wasn't familiar with the verse. Which is why im so against The Archiver matches rn.
 
Not really that much to argue here, Madoka is simply superior in every facet.

Madoka has AP and anything The Archiver does, Madoka does better. Archiver gets ragdolled like a cosmic plaything.
 
Don't count votes just yet. The archiver is a bit unknown rn and he's going through revisions. When they are done, he may either stomp (via being far above baseline) or get stomped since he may go back to 2-B. Put this on hold for now.
 
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