The good Place upgrade

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Okay, I know 9-Dimensional was rejected, but since demons used the concept of time as a drug they consumed, shouldn't Michale be "At least high 3-A" for being comparable to them?

 

[Andytrenom]

Yeah sorry. I saw the feat and it's just concept manipulation.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Well, yes, but time is a 4-D concept is it not?

 

[Andytrenom]

Okay, as little confidence i have in myself regarding the topic of Concepts i'll try to examine this...

Afaik a concept is an abstract idea and cannot actually be measured by physical parameters like spatial dimensions. When it says "time is a 4-D concept" i think it's closer to another way of saying "time is 4-D" than "the abstract concept related to time is a construct with 4 spatial dimensions" (which is what it needs to be for the feat to be high 3-A)...if that makes sense.

I must clarify that i don't follow enough verses with conceptual manipulation to know our exact standards regarding the power. So while i think my point makes sense, it best you that you ask for some other members to give their input as well.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean, bill is high 3-A for similar reasons

 

[Andytrenom]

Don't watch the series, but isn't he high 3-A for being 4 dimensional?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

He killed a being who ate time, which is similar to what demons in the good place do

Although, he has a 4-D statement regardless, as well as an infinite 3-D feat

 

[Andytrenom]

Does time in his case mean the abstract concept of time or parts of the time-space continuum?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I'm not entirely sure

But honestly, High 3-A makes more sense than 3-A, since michael's universe had it's own space-time but was smaller than ususual

 

[Andytrenom]

Ummm... a universe sized realm with its own time-space will be low 2-C no?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So, should michael be possibly Low 2-C?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Hmmm

"At least Solar System level, likely Universe level+. Michael created a section of the bad place which had its own day and night cycle with a normal star. It was also implied to possess it's own flow of time and when it was destroyed, it was shown as the fabric of reality breaking down and only pure nothingness left behind"

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

(When bad janet destroyed his universe, it was shown as spacetime breaking down)

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Andytrenom that this seems like conceptual manipulation hax that cannot be properly quantified. Sorry.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

What about the second part, about what he created?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we tend to scale creation feats by size. Did he create an entire universal space-time continuum.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It was implied to be a universe, but not directly stated. So, possibly/likely Low 2-C, rather than solid low 2-C. It had its own flow of time.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wait, according to Ultima, it's directly called a universe. So solid Low 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That should be fine then.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So, can I change the profile to "at Least low 2-C" then please?

 

[Antvasima]

Why "At least"?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Well, never mind on the at least, but he would have low multiversal range since he could travel between universes.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine.