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Some big things first:
All herald 2-Cs scale to 52 universes through Barbatos, even pre-crisis 2-Cs, because of the instance in Barbatos’ AP justification involving the weakening of the 52 universes in the Orrery. This scaling is due to Death Metal Superman knocking out Barbatos with one punch, and is backscaled to Superman in Post-Crisis due to this Superman being weakened from Anti-Life exposure. Pre-Crisis heralds then scale to Earth 2 Superman who scales to Post-Crisis Superman, so the entire current 2-C scaling chain is based on this.
The issue? Barbatos is rated as 1-A on his profile, and obviously we can’t have a rating scaled from a 1-A character if all these characters are subsequently not even tier 1. Now, this isn’t even the only problem, as there are other big issues in Barbatos’ rating and who he scales to:
Some additional problems with scaling:
For some route of solutions, I propose we give Barbatos two keys, one of which would have to be 2-C, and the other scaling to tier 1 based on the Brother’s true forms (1-A+). Obviously the brothers (and the monitor race themselves) will then have to be downgraded in their first keys to tier 2 as well. Then get rid of the tiers that don’t even exist in the cosmology anymore among Dr. Fate, Emperor Joker, and Spectre. This is all just a start, but a needed one.
All herald 2-Cs scale to 52 universes through Barbatos, even pre-crisis 2-Cs, because of the instance in Barbatos’ AP justification involving the weakening of the 52 universes in the Orrery. This scaling is due to Death Metal Superman knocking out Barbatos with one punch, and is backscaled to Superman in Post-Crisis due to this Superman being weakened from Anti-Life exposure. Pre-Crisis heralds then scale to Earth 2 Superman who scales to Post-Crisis Superman, so the entire current 2-C scaling chain is based on this.
The issue? Barbatos is rated as 1-A on his profile, and obviously we can’t have a rating scaled from a 1-A character if all these characters are subsequently not even tier 1. Now, this isn’t even the only problem, as there are other big issues in Barbatos’ rating and who he scales to:
- Barbatos’ AP justification uses the instance of him killing the World Forger in the Dark Multiverse, but the World Forger only has two keys, one L1-A, the other 1-A+. Barbatos scaling to him yet only being 1-A proper could only be coherent in terms of him scaling to the World Forger’s first key as secondary justification, but otherwise he doesn’t even have anything in his AP section justifying him having this tier to begin with.
- Additionally, Barbatos’ speed section still has a finite speed value listed despite his only key being 1-A, which isn’t coherent in terms of our modern standards. This is just an additional piece of evidence that this profile was sloppily revised without any further consideration towards the rest of the setting, whose scaling blows up when something like this is touched.
- The Monitor only has two keys like the World Forger, but his first key (which is L1-A) explicitly only has justifications which would otherwise warrant a 2-C tier, and indeed, he had this before this was suddenly revised to L1-A. This key specifically has him scaling to his brother the Anti-Monitor during COIE, who is 2-C anyways. And the speed values being finite (for him being L1-A) and unknown (for his 1-A+ key) are additionally inconsistent.
- The Anti-Monitor is rated as 2-C, up to 2-A with absorption, but he’s stated to be comparable to his brother, the Monitor, who again only has two keys, both of which being solidly tier 1. Additionally, his key which is L1-A only has within its justification a comparison to his former COIE self, who is rated as 2-C as stated again. Additionally, Anti-Monitor has more keys in his speed rating than he has on the top of his profile, and has Immeasurable speed in his first key while the Monitor has finite speed in his first key, even though they should scale to each other.
Some additional problems with scaling:
- Post-Flashpoint Darkseid in his second key is only 2-C despite being explicitly comparable to the Post-Flashpoint key of the Anti-Monitor, who is L1-A. The Anti-Monitor’s minimal justification for his L1-A key involves empowerment from the possession of the Anti-Life Equation, which is 1-A on its own profile.
- Emperor Joker’s AP rating is inconsistent, as the L1-C to H1-C variable rating is nowhere to be found in Mxyzptlk’s profile, and Mxyzptlk’s AP justifications for 1-A+ involve using scaling to Emperor Joker. Joker’s AP justifications also include blatant scaling to realms in the Godsphere, which at bare minimum are 1-A according to the cosmology blog.
- Neron only has a 2-C rating despite his AP justification explicitly mentioning the Godsphere and gives an explanation for how he scales to it, with the Godsphere being 1-A as previously mentioned. Raven also scales to Neron’s Rebirth self and yet is only 4-B anyways.
- The Spectre’s second key which is rated as 2-C also explicitly mentions Neron and mentions a Godsphere realm in its justification (Hell), and at minimum has Spectre affect an entire infinite multiverse. This justification is blatantly inconsistent with a 2-C rating and should 1-A as well.
- Dr. Fate’s profile’s justification for his first key, which is 3-A, scales to 1/5th of the Anti-Life Equation which is 1-A. Etrigan, Darkseid, Orion, and Highfather are all explicitly part of this as well, so logically this should scale to them and all their profiles as well. Fate’s third key is also rated as L1-C due to scaling to Post-Flashpoint Fate, who in their L1-C justification scales to the Upside-Down Man, who is 1-A.
- Zatanna in her Post-Flashpoint profile is scaled to 4-B, with one of her justifications explicitly scaling her to the Phantom Stranger, who is rated as 1-A. Phantom Stranger is rated as such due to being scaled to the Spectre as Jim Corrigan, whose justification has him contending with Raven, who again is merely 4-B. The other people comparable to Zatanna and Raven (Trigon, Swamp Thing, Constantine, Etrigan, etc.,) are also involved in this convoluted scaling chain.
- The Spectre’s “full power” key is explicitly rated as 1-C despite having keys before that one which are 1-A, and 1-C no longer exists in any place in the DC cosmology. The same scan for the 1-C key is used for DeMatteis’ cosmology for justification of the Presence’s tier 0 rating, which is obviously problematic.
- The Monitors as a race are rated as H1-C in the Multiverse for being comparable to Kyle Rayner (who is 2-C) even though they are fragments of the one Monitor, who is L1-A in the multiverse. Outside of the multiverse they are only 1-A despite again being fragments of a 1-A+ being, which is obviously inconsistent with our tiering standards. This also applies to the Thought Robot and Mandrakk.
- Mordru is only 2-C in all three of his keys, despite scaling to Kent Nelson Dr. Fate in his first key, who as noted is L1-C, which is, as already noted, problematic (due to Kent Nelson being L1-C due to scaling from someone who scales to someone who is 1-A). His third key also scales to Nabu, who is explicitly 1-A, possibly 1-A+. He also scales to Superman btw.
For some route of solutions, I propose we give Barbatos two keys, one of which would have to be 2-C, and the other scaling to tier 1 based on the Brother’s true forms (1-A+). Obviously the brothers (and the monitor race themselves) will then have to be downgraded in their first keys to tier 2 as well. Then get rid of the tiers that don’t even exist in the cosmology anymore among Dr. Fate, Emperor Joker, and Spectre. This is all just a start, but a needed one.
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