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looks about right to me
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The Incredibles Discussion Thread
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Technically this is around Relativistic feat...
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Incredible Laser Dodging
Feats This from Incredibles 2 where a raccoon and later Mr. Incredible dodges Jack Jack’s lasers vision. These should be real lasers since they burn,go in straight lines and do not explode. Racoon Distance raccoon moved: 94 pixels Distance laser moved: 857 pixels Speed: 0.11 c (relativistic)...
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FTL Incredible verseIncredible Laser Dodging
Feats This from Incredibles 2 where a raccoon and later Mr. Incredible dodges Jack Jack’s lasers vision. These should be real lasers since they burn,go in straight lines and do not explode. Racoon Distance raccoon moved: 94 pixels Distance laser moved: 857 pixels Speed: 0.11 c (relativistic)...
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NoFTL Incredible verse
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If this gets accepted and isn’t treated as an outlier, wouldn’t this make literally EVERYONE in the verse FTL given how Kari is just a regular teen in-universe? If that’s the case, then uh, idk how to feel about that.Incredible Laser Dodging
Feats This from Incredibles 2 where a raccoon and later Mr. Incredible dodges Jack Jack’s lasers vision. These should be real lasers since they burn,go in straight lines and do not explode. Racoon Distance raccoon moved: 94 pixels Distance laser moved: 857 pixels Speed: 0.11 c (relativistic)...
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There are several feats with this and it is real light via reflecting off the mirror. We do a similar thing with Gravity Falls.
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Not sure about the lightspeed feats, but I do think Dash's speed is massively lowballed on his profile. In the first movie, he outruns the exhaust flames of a rocket ship, which apparently move at 1-5 km/s in real life (Supersonic+/Hypersonic+).
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The reason I’m fine with GF having it is that humans having relativistic speed is consistently shown several times, whereas here it’s only shown once from what I remember
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Another thing that should be taken in consideration is that the GF humans don't have any real anti-feats at all against their relativistic ratings, while i think the Incredibles' humans do, from what i remember from the movies
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I calculated Kari's feat and the result is Relativistic+, not FTL, but it is higher than Mr. Incredible's feat.
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The Incredibles Calc: Kari reacts to Jack-Jack's lasers
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(A superhero movie having anti-feats for FTL while a funny adventure cartoon series not doing so sounds really wrong to me)
Also doesn't Mr. Incredible easily dodge lightning, which would render most of his lower speed stuff less of an anti-feat? (It's even on profile yet it's listed as "Subsonic or higher" lmao)
Also are Omnidroid lasers shown to be real?
Nice. Rela+ Incredibles would mean I can make an MU with them against GF without speed equalization...I calculated Kari's feat and the result is Relativistic+, not FTL, but it is higher than Mr. Incredible's feat.
The Incredibles Calc: Kari reacts to Jack-Jack's lasers
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I think you misunderstand me, I’m not against supers being relativistic, there’s absolutely enough consistency there for that rating, the problem I have is scaling all the average humans in the verse to Relativistic+ off of a single feat
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Oooh ok sorry for misunderstanding.
Honestly, I don't think the feat would quite literally mean that every single human on Earth in the verse is Relativistic+. Fiction always works in a way that certain characters are portrayed to be on the level of main heroes because they are relevant to the plot. I'm pretty sure there are lots of anti-feats for average humans cuz they need to, yk, be saved by superheroes?
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Interesting.
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IDK expressed my views very well:
I think it becomes a problem if you argue that the Superheroes should upscale from her since she is a human because you are either accepting that all humans are Relativistic in speed or you consider her faster than any human on Earth by a massive degree and have no reason at all for the supers to upscale her
I know our standards on these types of situations are very loose and context-dependent, but these are the views on the topic against her feat being logically usable
IIRC, they are showed to have heat-generation properties, but also to explode on contact with material objects due to sheer force rather than other factors
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This is honestly false dilemma, pretty sure Supers scale to her via Jack Jack. There is also narrative upscale.
Explosion may or may not discredit it, depends on context.
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Nearly all Supers are shown rel to each other when Elastigirl and a few others fought Blazestone
Trust me, i have rewatched the entirety of GF not so long ago and significant anti-feats are nonexistent, lmao
IDK expressed my views very well:
I think it becomes a problem if you argue that the Superheroes should upscale from her since she is a human because you are either accepting that all humans are Relativistic in speed or you consider her faster than any human on Earth by a massive degree and have no reason at all for the supers to upscale her
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I'mma create some blogs
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ok. what do y'all think https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TugiaTheNarrator/MORE_INCERDIBLES_PROFILES
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Pretty sure that even the physically weakest supers are supposed to be 9-B based on Everseer's statement of being able to throw people through walls despite having a very low strength stat.
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Dash one-shotting all of the adult Supers is diabolical.
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ok thx
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Didn’t we agree that Hypershock’s physicals scale to the vibrations he produces without his hammer due to them being caused by his punches?
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Yeah cuz he legit creates them by his punches.
All of the Supers while powerless are also able to survive hits from the strongest metal in the world or something and keep relativity to each other against a guy that fought Metaman on several occassions before, so their ratings should prob be higher than Wall lvl
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Speaking of, is there any way we could reasonably estimate how much Hypershock's hammers boost his AP? Like by taking the proportional difference in joules between a human punch and a sledgehammer swing or something?
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NSA said they don't know the amount but maybe we can try a calc
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Personally, I’d just apply a generic “far higher” rating to them as using the proportional difference in strength between a regular human and a hammer feels a little too much like calc stacking for my liking (also I’d argue the difference between him and his hammer is far greater than that considering power increases exponentially for earthquake magnitudes, but what do I know)
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alright. TIME TO UPGRADE EVERYONE HERE TO 7-C!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually, it should be noted that Hypershock still had the 3rd highest threat rating, only getting beat out by Gamma Jack and Mr. Incredible, so it’s not like EVERY super fully scales to him. Of course, Gazerbeam’s lasers and Jack’s explosions probably still scale considering they beat Omnidroids superior to the one that killed Hypershock, but they probably won’t scale physically as we don’t really know any specifics on how the fights went, so we can’t exactly say for certain if they were able to take hits from the thing
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Mr. Incredible tho…
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god please no
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why can't we just give a possibly town level to everyone who can scale to hypershock statement and just call it the day
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@Armorchompy evaluated the calculation and stated that Jack Jack's laser did only meet just a criteria out of the listed criteria to be considered a real laser, and that a normal human being's ability to react to Jack Jack's laser was an anti-feat against Jack Jack's laser being at the speed of light.I calculated Kari's feat and the result is Relativistic+, not FTL, but it is higher than Mr. Incredible's feat.
The Incredibles Calc: Kari reacts to Jack-Jack's lasers
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Given that Gazerbeam was able to beat the v4, I'd assume he'd have a threat rating AT LEAST equal to Hypershock's if not higher.
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Dw, Bob still absolutely scales to Hypershock, that’s for certain, I just don’t think we should scale EVERYONE to Hypershock, especially given his high threat rating and strength stat
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