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"The Never Ending Dream" | Superman (Fleischer) vs Optimus Prime (TF One)

Optimus scales pretty significantly above 550 Kilotons so he might honestly just one-shot Superman. And while LS could definitely prove a problem for Optimus, Optimus has plenty of range options + AOE attacks (Axe slashes, energy blasters, flamethrowers, or even just an AOE energy attack) that would honestly take out Superman instantly before Supes has the opportunity to get close enough to him, and even if Supes got close enough, Optimus could use his transformation abilities or flight to dodge Superman and attempt to gain distance.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Optimus scales pretty significantly above 550 Kilotons so he might honestly just one-shot Superman. And while LS could definitely prove a problem for Optimus, Optimus has plenty of range options + AOE attacks (Axe slashes, energy blasters, flamethrowers, or even just an AOE energy attack) that would honestly take out Superman instantly before Supes has the opportunity to get close enough to him, and even if Supes got close enough, Optimus could use his transformation abilities or flight to dodge Superman and attempt to gain distance.
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Counted, and I'll go Optimus as well
 
Chariot190 said:
Why is bro maybe Class G for being Class G.
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Even if Superman didn't lift it, it makes him at most Class G by virtue of weight. This is by far Supes' best feat lifting strength-wise, and I don't think he ever gets one on this level aside from slightly knocking back the giant meteor, but since he's holding back throughout the series I think it's fair to put him at "At least Class M to Class G".
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I don't think Optimus massively scales from that feat to the point of one shotting Superman
 
Drite77 said:
I don't think Optimus massively scales from that feat to the point of one shotting Superman
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The scaling chain is:

Optimus' axe > Optimus = Megatron > D-16 at his peak rage > Orion = 532 Kilotons.

Especially with D-16 one shotting Orion near the end. Even if it's not a one shot gap, several hits from Optimus is definitely gonna be enough to put down Supes.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The scaling chain is:

Optimus' axe > Optimus = Megatron > D-16 at his peak rage > Orion = 532 Kilotons.

Especially with D-16 one shotting Orion near the end. Even if it's not a one shot gap, several hits from Optimus is definitely gonna be enough to put down Supes.
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How's that the scaling when the 532 Kilotons come from Optimus and not Orion? Optimus performed that feat, how is Orion Pax scaling to it?
 
Drite77 said:
How's that the scaling when the 532 Kilotons come from Optimus and not Orion? Optimus performed that feat, how is Orion Pax scaling to it?
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Bumblebee and Elita tanks it right at the epicenter of the impact.
 
Drite77 said:
There is no way neither Badassatron nor Elita took the full 532 Kilotons at all, I'm pretty sure that's not how it works
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You'd be right if it was an explosion, because like, the area of the blast couldn't possibly hit both fully. But watching the clip, Bee would have I think? The feat isn't an explosion, it's a KE feat and from the looks of things Prime smacked Megatron as he flew up? But Megatron was literally on top of Bee so ya know.
If Prime struck Bee or Elita flying up too, they'd scale.
 
Chariot190 said:
You'd be right if it was an explosion, because like, the area of the blast couldn't possibly hit both fully. But watching the clip, Bee would have I think? The feat isn't an explosion, it's a KE feat and from the looks of things Prime smacked Megatron as he flew up? But Megatron was literally on top of Bee so ya know.
If Prime struck Bee or Elita flying up too, they'd scale.
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That's the thing, I don't think there is a way to tell the two of them were hit by Optimus flying up
 
Drite77 said:
That's the thing, I don't think there is a way to tell the two of them were hit by Optimus flying up
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Except we are given a shot of them right on the platform that Optimus hits and sent flying away. It's pretty clear they were hit by Optimus flying up.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Except we are given a shot of them right on the platform that Optimus hits and sent flying away. It's pretty clear they were hit by Optimus flying up.
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The area effected is pretty big, they were sent fly away but there is no confirmation Optimus hit neither B nor Megatron
 
Drite77 said:
The area effected is pretty big, they were sent fly away but there is no confirmation Optimus hit neither B nor Megatron
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They were both at the edge of the balcony, literally where Megatron was from all the way he kills Sentinel to when he's blown back from Optimus' impact of ramming into the balcony edge, he's not changed positions one bit. We even have a following shot of Bee and Elita falling back to ground right from the edge of the balcony. It's pretty clearly meant to showcase Optimus hitting Megatron, and like, narratively speaking, it doesn't make sense for Optimus to have hit so far away from Megs.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
They were both at the edge of the balcony, literally where Megatron was from all the way he kills Sentinel to when he's blown back from Optimus' impact of ramming into the balcony edge, he's not changed positions one bit. We even have a following shot of Bee and Elita falling back to ground right from the edge of the balcony. It's pretty clearly meant to showcase Optimus hitting Megatron, and like, narratively speaking, it doesn't make sense for Optimus to have hit so far away from Megs.
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Megatron's position changed from when he killed Sentinel, and, narratively speaking, that doesn't really matter as they are trying to showcase Optimus back, not that he hit Megatron. Besides, it doesn't make sense that Optimus would hit B just to hit Megatron, narratively speaking
 
Drite77 said:
Megatron's position changed from when he killed Sentinel, and, narratively speaking, that doesn't really matter as they are trying to showcase Optimus back, not that he hit Megatron. Besides, it doesn't make sense that Optimus would hit B just to hit Megatron, narratively speaking
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He's at the balcony throughout the entire entire scene. He's there when he rips Sentinel in half, he's there when he gives his speech, he's there when Elita and Bee jump until Optimus blows him away.

Plus, Bee is literally below Megatron just as Optimus hits the surface. If anything, Bee took more of the impact than Megs did.
 
For the record, I still think Optimus wins, the problem I mainly have is the fact of how he is scaled. Rather or not I'll make calcs and try to change it will depend if I can put my current addiction away
 
Drite77 said:
For the record, I still think Optimus wins, the problem I mainly have is the fact of how he is scaled. Rather or not I'll make calcs and try to change it will depend if I can put my current addiction away
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